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U.S. calls bid by men to avoid extradition over Ghosn's escape 'flawed'

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Will be interesting to see how this aspect plays out in the US!

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My understanding is that the Taylors have Lebanese nationality and/or citizenship. It probably would have been better for them to stay there and avoid extradition.

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Ghosn was detained 4 times in false allegations, Lebanon and the Interpol are still waiting for the Japanese prosecutors to receive the evidence of the crimes.

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Bs story, interpretation not factual, they committed no crime under Japanese law, no reason for extradition, they can claim humanitarian grounds if necessary who would send anyone into a 99% conviction rate, a system relying on confession. Please tourture me more.... Don't think so.

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Exactly as I predicted earlier. The concept of extradition is based on comity, and that relies upon bail jumping being a crime in the U.S., and/or the State of Mass. The defendants aren't going to get away with this line of defense. But what should be alarming to the Ghosn cheerleaders is that Japan has not yet even made a reqest for extradition, but the United States has arrested them.

Ghosn and wife are living in a real s*** situation now. And they can't go anywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/14/fresh-protests-in-lebanon-over-worst-economic-crisis-in-decades

The Japanese legal system is not on trial and never has been. Ghosn had a chance to prove his point before the whole world. But chose to run away.

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Ossian think you might be wrong. But nice be try. You do know years ago the Japanese Justice minister was laughed at by global justice ministers at the UN. Dig in for defending the bizarre nature of justice Japan excels at.

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Ghosn and wife are living in a real s*** situation now. And they can't go anywhere.

They are living a life of luxury in a cosmopolitanism Mediterranean city. Rather nicer than being banged up in a prison cell in Japan following a case he stood no chance of winning.

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Ghosn should take up a diplomatic position in the Lebanese government and come to japan on official business and run it in their faces. That would be beautiful. But back to the point I think we can all agree Japan’s justice system is severely stacked against Ghosn and most wrapped up in it. We need a moment of silence for poor Greg Kelly wrapped up in all this and still no end in sight for him.

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CrickyToday  05:34 pm JST

Ossian think you might be wrong. But nice be try. 

Wrong? About what? That Ghosn had a chance to show the entire world watching his case that his arguments were right? That he chose not to do that but escaped instead thereby not facing trial at all? How can anyone deny these facts?

Ah_soToday  05:57 pm JST

*Ghosn and wife are living in a real s** situation now. And they can't go anywhere.

They are living a life of luxury in a cosmopolitanism Mediterranean city. Rather nicer than being banged up in a prison cell in Japan following a case he stood no chance of winning.

You read the article first. And remember that Lebanon still does not permit him to leave. As for whether he had no chance of winning his case or not, Ghosn made sure that his claim could never be proven one way or the other.

saitamaboyToday  07:01 pm JST

Ossan , Your head is affirmatively between your buttocks .

MOD should ban your buttocks,

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"Bs story, interpretation not factual"

What's a factual interpretation?

I was taught there are 3 main rules to interpret a Statute:

Literal - (Fisher v Bell (1960)

Golden Rule

Mischief Rule

Plus the Purposive approach (Lord Denning).

I was privileged to have had one of Britain's best "Constitutionalist's"), (Kostas Douzinas) as a Lecturer.

He probably "forgot" to teach the "factual interpretation" methodology.

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You read the article first. And remember that Lebanon still does not permit him to leave. 

I would rather be a rich man in Lebanon with some level of social unrest than locked up in a tiny cell for years.

He also would not have been permitted to leave a prison. But a prison is not a country. Many choose never too leave their country.

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I would like for Ghosn to become a Lebanese diplomat. That would be sweet! Then assigned to Japan!

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U.S. calls bid by men to avoid extradition over Ghosn's escape 'flawed'

Seems like the US prosecutors claim is more flawed! Someone above mentioned that it is dangerous to set a precedent to charge someone for a crime that doesn’t exists! What they did might be morally wrong ( for some people ) but not a criminal offense. While talking about morally wrong what the Japanese prosecutors and Nissan executives did to Ghosn was also morally wrong and pathetic! All in all these US men helped a person escape injustice!

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Will be interesting to see how this aspect plays out in the US!

I don't recall seeing any recent stories about this. The US has bigger issues between the race protests, police abuses, COVID and upcoming election issues.

As an American, I'd say send the men back to Japan. It is one thing to fight for your freedom in court. It is vastly different to help someone else illegally run away from court. Ghosn should have spent that money on social media experts to get Japanese people to push for changes in the laws which are being abused, not to get inside a box and shipped.

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Well said on your Last; Smith in J-Pan

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Ghosn the criminal, fugitive, coward who is guilty not only in Japan but the French want him too! Does that count when several countries want this criminal. The people defending this criminal are bias against Japan from the beginning, no amount of evidence and facts would change their mind.

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The people defending this criminal are bias against Japan from the beginning, no amount of evidence and facts would change their mind.

That's because the justice system in Japan is not fit for purpose.

I have said many times throughout this whole affair that he might be guilty of the crimes, but we would never know because the court would definitely find him guilty whatever, whether he is guilty or innocent.

There would always be a question mark over any conviction because of the inadequacies if the Japanese justice system.

As a result, I support his decision to flee - better a guilty man goes free than an innocent man be convicted.

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"As a result, I support his decision to flee"

This is nothing to do with Ghosn's "escape".

Focusing on Ghosn is simply a poor attempt at deflection.

This article is about those who "facilitated" such an "escape".

Is aiding and abetting acceptable now? Legal?

What would your country do in similar circumstances?

Would your country simply shrug it off and say," we’ll let bygones be bygones"?

By the looks of it, a great majority of JT'eers would agree it is acceptable and even legal to disobey Court orders, if you disagree with the charges levied against you.

Providing Japan is on the receiving end, of course.

However, if the shoe was on the other foot......

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But what should be alarming to the Ghosn cheerleaders is that Japan has not yet even made a reqest for extradition, but the United States has arrested them.

They arrested them entering the country. Do you expect Japan to request extradition before they even got there?

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Oh my goodness! Just. Give. It. Up! Dude is long gone and there's NOTHING you can do to bring him back! No amount of bullying others will bring him back! Just forget that case and focus on the current corruption cases here in Japan!

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This is nothing to do with Ghosn's "escape".

Focusing on Ghosn is simply a poor attempt at deflection.

This article is about those who "facilitated" such an "escape".

Is aiding and abetting acceptable now? Legal?

What would your country do in similar circumstances?

I was answering a specific post which was:

The people defending this criminal [Ghosn] are bias against Japan from the beginning, no amount of evidence and facts would change their mind.

So obviously I was not talking about the two who helped him jump bail.

With regards aiding and abetting, I do not know enough about Japan's criminal system to know whether it is illegal or not, although I presume it is.

Ideally no one would break the law, but we have a fundamental problem with the Japanese legal system - it is not fit for purpose and in this case, was being used to pursue wider political/economic goals. Where the justice system of a country is inadequate and does not properly exercise justice, there is a good debate to be had as to whether one is under a moral obligation to observe it. As I stated, I think Ghosn made the right decision.

These two gentlemen took a calculated risk for financial gain - they were mercenaries who have been compensated for the legal risk that they have exposed themselves to - for them, imprisonment is an occupational hazard.

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therougouJune 18  10:18 am JST

But what should be alarming to the Ghosn cheerleaders is that Japan has not yet even made a reqest for extradition, but the United States has arrested them.

They arrested them entering the country. Do you expect Japan to request extradition before they even got there?

What in the world are you talking about? Entering what country?

The Taylors were arrested in the State of Massachusetts in the United States.

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The French Resistance helped free Allied Troops during the 2nd World War . Although we're not in a War, there are certain injustices being carried out within the Japanese Legal system that can be (albeit loosely) compared to those within a Waring Nation.

It is shameful, that a person can be arrested for a potential crime without evidence before-hand, and then at a later date, have that first crime changed to something that is perhaps not even a crime a that time they had been arrested.

With such actions going on, it is somewhat understandable, that certain people, feel the need to liberate those under threat of such "dynamics".

I'm not saying I agree with their actions, though I am also not, disagreeing with them. Though clearly, in the case of Ghosn, he had the means to pay for assistance, whereas some more unfortunate folks do not.

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