American man indicted for killing woman in Osaka

Hang em high.

Yeah execute this psycho

Hang em high.

Yeah execute this psycho

Do you guys think he should have the right to a trial first? Or should they proceed directly to execution?

Make sure the noose is extra tight.

bass4funk

you previously posted your opposition to the death penalty so why the change especially since you have also said you are also pro life?

Make sure the noose is extra tight.

??? He's not been found guilty nor is he charged with murder so unlikely to receive the death penalty.

you previously posted your opposition to the death penalty so why the change especially since you have also said you are also pro life?

I am “normally” against the death penalty, but for heinous crimes like this and against the weak or innocent, then I’m for it.

Do you guys think he should have the right to a trial first? Or should they proceed directly to execution?

"Police found the woman's head in a bag in a short-term lodging room in Osaka. "

"Afterwards, he led police to her severed torso and the rest of her body which he had scattered in the woods in Shimamoto, 25 miles away."

Hmmm....

'He was a mama's boy. If we were having dinner and he didn’t like the food, his mother would get up in the middle of the meal to cook him something special, and this was at a time when we didn’t have a lot of money,' Benny Dacy, Bayraktar's former stepfather, said. 

I guess poor innocent Saki didn't jump up and make him his coffee one morning.

OK. Sure, give him a trial. Then, hang em high. Feel better?

OK. Sure, give him a trial. Then, hang em high. Feel better?

So let me confirm, you're saying that they should give him a trial, but that the actual trial should be a farce, and they should hang him high regardless of the outcome, correct?

If I'm incorrect in interpreting what you've written, can you please explain in further detail?

bass4funk

I am “normally” against the death penalty, but for heinous crimes like this and against the weak or innocent, then I’m for it.

You are opposed to the death penalty or not but not selective. I oppose the death penalty for all regardless of their crime. You are therefore not someone opposed to it like you previously stated.

You are also stating that this person does not deserve a court case and a guilty verdict first when in fact hasn't been charged with murder to date.

You are opposed to the death penalty or not but not selective. I oppose the death penalty for all regardless of their crime.

That's you, you can think and do as you please, I don't care. 

You are therefore not someone opposed to it like you previously stated.

I am except for heinous crimes.

You are also stating that this person does not deserve a court case and a guilty verdict first when in fact hasn't been charged with murder to date.

If he is found guilty, then yes, be gone with him, if not, either release him if he is innocent or let him rot in prison.

bass4funk

That's you, you can think and do as you please, I don't care. 

It would be more honest if you didn't claim to be anti death penalty when in fact you are not. This American won't be found guilty of a crime leading to execution. I read this guy also suffered from some mental issues. If found guilty he will be given long sentence.

The prosecutors charged him with injury resulting in death, not murder, saying murderous intent was not clear.

...and...

Bayraktar has already been indicted on charges of dismembering and dumping Kondo's corpse in several locations in Kyoto and Osaka prefectures between Feb 18 and Feb 21.

So, let me get this straight... Bayraktar chopped up Kondo like firewood and prosecutors claim they can’t prove intent.

What a joke.

Ironic, all the lust for blood on a thread about an alleged murderer.

Let's see it go to trial before the usual barbaric rapture, perhaps?

Let's see it go to trial before the usual barbaric rapture, perhaps?

Well, some of them are calling for a farce of a trial, where he is proclaimed guilty regardless of the evidence provided.

Well, some of them are calling for a farce of a trial, where he is proclaimed guilty regardless of the evidence provided.

No, they're calling for a valid trial. And they're saying that in this case, the valid trial will lead to a guilty verdict.

Especially given the fact that the suspect led the cops to the victim's remains. (So, your "regardless of the evidence provided" comment is weightless. The evidence provided will, by any reasonable standard, lead to nothing less but a guilty verdict.)

That's not the same as "calling for a farce of a trial."

The prosecutors charged him with injury resulting in death, not murder, saying murderous intent was not clear.

I've never heard of that before. Injury resulting in death from strangulation?

And then people complain that the justice system in Japan is biased against foreigners.

Ironic, all the lust for blood on a thread about an alleged murderer.

I don't see it as a lust for blood. I see it as a "lust" for justice.

I'm not a death penalty fan, myself. But I'm not exactly an ardent opponent of it, either. Especially if the convicted person is clearly guilty and clearly knew what he/she was doing.

And in this case, if it's determined after a fair and valid trial that the man is guilty and that his crime warrants capital punishment under Japanese law ... then so be it.

I wouldn't be cheering or exulting over it by any means. Like I said, I'm not a death penalty fan. For most killers, I'd personally prefer they get a drab, meaningless life in some dull, cold prison.

But in many cases, death sentences have actually caused the severity of the crime to really sink in to the mind and soul of the murderer ... which in turn has led them to repent in a way that a less serious sentence might not.

No, they're calling for a valid trial. And they're saying that in this case, the valid trial will lead to a guilty verdict.

No, that’s not what was called for:

OK. Sure, give him a trial. Then, hang em high. Feel better?

The call was to give him a trial, to make me feel better, then to hang him high after the trial. Not ‘Hang him if he is found guilty’, just ‘hang him after the trial’

If you are going to punish someone after a trial, then it’s a farce of a trial as it has no bearing on the outcome. And as such it’s not a valid trial.

your "regardless of the evidence provided" comment is weightless

No it’s not. As the call is for the suspect to be hung regardless of the outcome of the trial, the evidence provided within the trial becomes irrelevant, since the call is a to ignore the result of a trial (and therefore the evidence provided during said trial).

This case is interesting in light of a case the last year or so where another American guy carried his dead lover in a rolled up carpet and dumped her in the water somewhere. They also gave up trying to prove intent to kill and settled on a much lesser charge. I guess keeping silent can really save you if you are a murderer in this country as the prosecutor does not like to gamble proving intent without a confession.

I've never heard of that before. Injury resulting in death from strangulation?

I'm guessing it's equivalent to either second degree murder (not premeditated), or maybe involuntary manslaughter (no intent to kill).

I wonder what led this man to commit such a terrible crime. This is awful. Having a daughter my initial gut reaction is to string him up (after due process). On the other hand I am against the death penalty as I do not think the state should be empowered to take life.

From what I have heard a long time in a Japanese prison leads many to at times, wish for death. Not a pleasant place to be. Also considering this guy killed a young Japanese lady....well....I would hate to be in a Japanese prison as a foreigner convicted of such a crime.

Just terrible stuff!!!!

American?

The call was to give him a trial, to make me feel better, then to hang him high after the trial. Not ‘Hang him if he is found guilty’, just ‘hang him after the trial’

How's that mountain out of a mole hill working out for you?

How's that mountain out of a mole hill working out for you?

Your post would seem to reply that what you wrote isn't what you meant to write. Maybe you should try writing better if you don't want people to misunderstand what you write.

The concept of innocent until proven guilty has been lost in Japan somewhere down the line.

Comments on this thread seem to encourage this erosion of "Rule of Law".

Good to hear this monster's life is over now. Get the trash off the streets

Some gruesome imaginations at work here. Little better than the alleged killer.

murderous intent was not clear.

But obviously carving the said unintended murdered body was.

I've never heard of that before. Injury resulting in death from strangulation?

Something is lost in translation. The Japanese terminology used was “気道損傷による窒息死” (suffocation from a damaged windpipe).

I other words, he strangled or struck her larynx hard enough to collapse it and she suffocated as a result.

Per 'Sources', he was born in the Unkraine but lived in New York.

I guess he could be innocent. Maybe he just happened to find her head in his room and maybe while out for a job in the woods he just happened across the other body parts. Yep-that would explain how he was able to lead police to that area. Not murder?? Or just being in the wrong place at wrong time? Sure, that explains it all to me---yep it sure does.

sorry-should read out for a jog--not job

It would be more honest if you didn't claim to be anti death penalty when in fact you are not.

Yes, that is your interpretation, but I am as I have said for the most part against the death penalty unless it for heinous crimes.

Yes, that is your interpretation, but I am as I have said for the most part against the death penalty unless it for heinous crimes.

When is capital punishment ever not for heinous crimes?

bass4funk

Yes, that is your interpretation, but I am as I have said for the most part against the death penalty unless it for heinous crimes.

No I remember well reading your previous comments when you stated quickly clearing you were opposed to capital punishment. If you have now change your position what's up to you but you can't claim to be against when in fact you are not.

Opposition to the death penalty isn't for the most part. There are no gray areas. You are or you are not.

Stupid comment "unless for heinous crimes" when all the crimes receiving the death penalty are in fact heinous crimes and that is the states's reason for giving it.

June 1 2014

"Then how about abolishing the death penalty altogether? Makes absolutely NO sense."

It would be like saying you are pro life for the most part.

I wonder what led this man to commit such a terrible crime.

Good to hear this monster's life is over now. Get the trash off the streets.

He has not been tried yet.

American?

Per 'Sources', he was born in the Unkraine but lived in New York.

What is the relevance in Law?

I don't recall anyone guilty of murdering just one victim being sentenced to execution in Japan,

alway thought they only execute for multiple murders. Let me know.