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FizzBit
Hang em high.
dcog9065
Yeah execute this psycho
Strangerland
Do you guys think he should have the right to a trial first? Or should they proceed directly to execution?
bass4funk
Make sure the noose is extra tight.
bass4funk
I am “normally” against the death penalty, but for heinous crimes like this and against the weak or innocent, then I’m for it.
FizzBit
"Police found the woman's head in a bag in a short-term lodging room in Osaka. "
"Afterwards, he led police to her severed torso and the rest of her body which he had scattered in the woods in Shimamoto, 25 miles away."
Hmmm....
I guess poor innocent Saki didn't jump up and make him his coffee one morning.
OK. Sure, give him a trial. Then, hang em high. Feel better?
Strangerland
So let me confirm, you're saying that they should give him a trial, but that the actual trial should be a farce, and they should hang him high regardless of the outcome, correct?
If I'm incorrect in interpreting what you've written, can you please explain in further detail?
bass4funk
That's you, you can think and do as you please, I don't care.
I am except for heinous crimes.
If he is found guilty, then yes, be gone with him, if not, either release him if he is innocent or let him rot in prison.
Bungle
...and...
So, let me get this straight... Bayraktar chopped up Kondo like firewood and prosecutors claim they can’t prove intent.
What a joke.
Toasted Heretic
Ironic, all the lust for blood on a thread about an alleged murderer.
Let's see it go to trial before the usual barbaric rapture, perhaps?
Strangerland
Well, some of them are calling for a farce of a trial, where he is proclaimed guilty regardless of the evidence provided.
Hakman
No, they're calling for a valid trial. And they're saying that in this case, the valid trial will lead to a guilty verdict.
Especially given the fact that the suspect led the cops to the victim's remains. (So, your "regardless of the evidence provided" comment is weightless. The evidence provided will, by any reasonable standard, lead to nothing less but a guilty verdict.)
That's not the same as "calling for a farce of a trial."
oldman_13
I've never heard of that before. Injury resulting in death from strangulation?
And then people complain that the justice system in Japan is biased against foreigners.
Hakman
I don't see it as a lust for blood. I see it as a "lust" for justice.
I'm not a death penalty fan, myself. But I'm not exactly an ardent opponent of it, either. Especially if the convicted person is clearly guilty and clearly knew what he/she was doing.
And in this case, if it's determined after a fair and valid trial that the man is guilty and that his crime warrants capital punishment under Japanese law ... then so be it.
I wouldn't be cheering or exulting over it by any means. Like I said, I'm not a death penalty fan. For most killers, I'd personally prefer they get a drab, meaningless life in some dull, cold prison.
But in many cases, death sentences have actually caused the severity of the crime to really sink in to the mind and soul of the murderer ... which in turn has led them to repent in a way that a less serious sentence might not.
Strangerland
No, that’s not what was called for:
The call was to give him a trial, to make me feel better, then to hang him high after the trial. Not ‘Hang him if he is found guilty’, just ‘hang him after the trial’
If you are going to punish someone after a trial, then it’s a farce of a trial as it has no bearing on the outcome. And as such it’s not a valid trial.
No it’s not. As the call is for the suspect to be hung regardless of the outcome of the trial, the evidence provided within the trial becomes irrelevant, since the call is a to ignore the result of a trial (and therefore the evidence provided during said trial).
Reckless
This case is interesting in light of a case the last year or so where another American guy carried his dead lover in a rolled up carpet and dumped her in the water somewhere. They also gave up trying to prove intent to kill and settled on a much lesser charge. I guess keeping silent can really save you if you are a murderer in this country as the prosecutor does not like to gamble proving intent without a confession.
Strangerland
I'm guessing it's equivalent to either second degree murder (not premeditated), or maybe involuntary manslaughter (no intent to kill).
Tokyo-Engr
I wonder what led this man to commit such a terrible crime. This is awful. Having a daughter my initial gut reaction is to string him up (after due process). On the other hand I am against the death penalty as I do not think the state should be empowered to take life.
From what I have heard a long time in a Japanese prison leads many to at times, wish for death. Not a pleasant place to be. Also considering this guy killed a young Japanese lady....well....I would hate to be in a Japanese prison as a foreigner convicted of such a crime.
Just terrible stuff!!!!
RealCDN
American?
FizzBit
How's that mountain out of a mole hill working out for you?
Strangerland
Your post would seem to reply that what you wrote isn't what you meant to write. Maybe you should try writing better if you don't want people to misunderstand what you write.
Ex_Res
The concept of innocent until proven guilty has been lost in Japan somewhere down the line.
Comments on this thread seem to encourage this erosion of "Rule of Law".
Darmstadt
Good to hear this monster's life is over now. Get the trash off the streets
Toasted Heretic
Some gruesome imaginations at work here. Little better than the alleged killer.
Haruka
But obviously carving the said unintended murdered body was.
BeerDeliveryGuy
Something is lost in translation. The Japanese terminology used was “気道損傷による窒息死” (suffocation from a damaged windpipe).
I other words, he strangled or struck her larynx hard enough to collapse it and she suffocated as a result.
karlrb
Per 'Sources', he was born in the Unkraine but lived in New York.
steve morgan
I guess he could be innocent. Maybe he just happened to find her head in his room and maybe while out for a job in the woods he just happened across the other body parts. Yep-that would explain how he was able to lead police to that area. Not murder?? Or just being in the wrong place at wrong time? Sure, that explains it all to me---yep it sure does.
steve morgan
sorry-should read out for a jog--not job
bass4funk
Yes, that is your interpretation, but I am as I have said for the most part against the death penalty unless it for heinous crimes.
Strangerland
When is capital punishment ever not for heinous crimes?
Ex_Res
I wonder what led this man to commit such a terrible crime.
Good to hear this monster's life is over now. Get the trash off the streets.
He has not been tried yet.
American?
Per 'Sources', he was born in the Unkraine but lived in New York.
What is the relevance in Law?
macv
I don't recall anyone guilty of murdering just one victim being sentenced to execution in Japan,
alway thought they only execute for multiple murders. Let me know.