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2 men report to police …

… filed a criminal complaint against two men and a woman on suspicion of indecent assault

… the organizer of the event filed a criminal complaint against two men and a woman on suspicion of indecent assault 

… the artist being purportedly assaulted by the three individuals 

What happened to the female assailant who grabbed DJ Soda’s breasts? — particularly since Japan Today earlier reported, “In the commotion, [DJ Soda] said, it was a woman who grabbed her breasts harder than any of the other festivalgoers.” 

https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/update1-popular-s.-korean-dj-shocked-scared-after-groping-at-japan-event

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> Two 20-year-old men surrendered to police Monday in connection with an incident where popular South Korean artist DJ Soda was allegedly groped by attendees

So those guy remember what happened unlike in other incidents where suspect just don't remember things what happened.

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Seems the female offender is not "man" enough to"fess-up"

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The woman more than likely doesnt think she did anything wrong! Japanese of both sexes need to be educated here about these issues! Women are many times just as guilty, but because they are of the same sex, they dont see it as being "criminal".

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Wait till big guns weighs in. Hope they do their reading before hijacking the bandwagon.

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“filed a criminal complaint against two men and a woman on suspicion of indecent assault “

Is a woman groping another woman a criminal offense constituting an indecent assault?

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Earlier in the day, the organizer of the event, held in Osaka Prefecture, filed a criminal complaint against two men and a woman on suspicion of indecent assault against DJ Soda on Aug 13, the police said without identifying the three individuals.

The woman may use the excuse she was " goaded" into it by the men.

There have been several security lapses at DJ Soda's shows and the organizers and her handlers also need to take responsibility.

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NHK evening news ran a piece of footage, but it went so quickly that the groping was tricky to pinpoint. My main takeaway was it did not show any security staff around the performer like you would expect at a big concert with thousands in the audience, as I assume this was. Were they on site but napping on the job or occupied elsewhere? Did the young execs shown above skimp on providing adequate security this year? They have been bringing top international DJs to Sennan for this festival for years, so should know how to do security by now.

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Larr FlintToday 07:33 am JST

Witch hunt in my opinion.

First of all what that Idol expect to happen if she will go into the crowds?

She didn't go into the crowd. She stood on the other side of a barrier and they reached past it.

And are you saying that stars should expect, and deserve to be sexually assaulted, at meet and greets with fans?

Or that those who sexually assault others should not be prosecuted because finding and prosecuting sexual assault is akin to a "witch hunt?"

I mean, what ARE you saying when you make such a comment, as it really looks as though you're purposely downplaying sexual assault.

I also wonder if you felt the same way about the boys who were sexually assaulted by Johnny Kitagawa, or is it only women who deserve to be sexually assaulted when doing their job as entertainers? Just asking questions to see if your views are consistent, or if you save your criticism for sexual assault victims only when the victims are women.

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MeiyouwentiToday 07:46 am JST

“filed a criminal complaint against two men and a woman on suspicion of indecent assault “

Is a woman groping another woman a criminal offense constituting an indecent assault?

The law does not, and should not, distinguish between male and female perpetrators of indecent assault.

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Witch hunt in my opinion.

So you think sexual assault is fine, so people should be left to do it without being held responsible?

First of all what that Idol expect to happen if she will go into the crowds?

The same that happened every time she did it before, not being sexually assaulted.

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First of all what that Idol expect to happen if she will go into the crowds?

Seriously? Dude, what is wrong with you? Approaching the crowd = Wants to be sexually harrassed?

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TRYHARD JAPAN!?, well he needs to try hard and explain to his Soda that it is normal for fans to have close contact with their band members and artists, may be this was too close but that comes with the job and most band members and artists are prepared for it, some understand it and some DON'T.

But I think this is just another attempt at GETTING ATTENTION, that's all.

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Soda that it is normal for fans to have close contact with their band members and artists

Close contact and sexual assault are not the same thing.

may be this was too close but that comes with the job and most band members and artists are prepared for it,

That is false, sexual assault do not come with the job, and according to her own testimony she have been doing the same for 10 years in many countries without this happening. So it is perfectly possible for her to be in contact with the public without being assaulted like it happened this time.

But I think this is just another attempt at GETTING ATTENTION, that's all.

So you think complaining after being subjected to sexual assault is just an appeal for attention? that says much more about you than about her.

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"We take this incident very seriously, as sexual crimes are inexcusable,"

Speak to the hundreds of men and women who get similar treatments on trains and subways weekly.

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"no matter what clothes I wear, sexual harassment and assault cannot be justified."

Agree 100% .

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All I'm questioning is if Dj Soda didn't want to be touched why did she go to the crowds?

She did want to be touched, but respectfully and without assault, the same as in any of the many other times that she went to the audience. This is not the first time she is surrounded by exited drunk people in the audience.

Speak to the hundreds of men and women who get similar treatments on trains and subways weekly.

Why? would you like them to complain also so someone can say they are just looking for attention as well?

Someone famous complaining so something is done about the problem can also benefit all those others that are victims, precisely because famous people can't be so easily ignored this can make a small difference that with time and effort could trigger the necessary social change to reduce or hopefully eliminate the problem.

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No such thing as female accountability. Women are allowed to do anything illegal in this country and walk away from it.

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If action can be taken on this, please do something about those gropers in Kyoto too !

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Witch hunt in my opinion.

 

First of all what that Idol expect to happen if she will go into the crowds?

 

Exactly! She went into the crowd. Stars do it all the time.

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Witch hunt in my opinion.

First of all what that Idol expect to happen if she will go into the crowds?

So - people have a right to sexually grope celebrities and pop stars in public?

What type of world do you live in?

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The company submitted to the police photographs and clips of the artist being purportedly assaulted by the three individuals as evidence.

 

Please! Talk about hyperbole.

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 CEO of TryHard Japan

A very unfortunate name for a company.

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Seriously? Dude, what is wrong with you? Approaching the crowd = Wants to be sexually harrassed?

 

No , but it means that you want the attention. The crowd did not break the barrier. She did. 

So - people have a right to sexually grope celebrities and pop stars in public?

No, but if you throw yourself into the crowd, people will grap some Soda.

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No, but if you throw yourself into the crowd, people will grap some Soda.

Yep - and they will rightfully be arrested and end up with a record, with CCTV everywhere.

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The 痴漢大国 problem is much easier to understand when you see in the comments how quickly some will turn to victim-blaming…

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said Rakuyo Otsuki, chief executive of the organizer TryHard Japan

sorry, what was this company again?

TryHard Japan………sounds like an oxymoron

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Please! Talk about hyperbole.

Sexual assault is not hyperbole, it is simply describing correctly what happened.

I wonder if he is going to face charges?

Did the player complained? that would be the first requirement for any charges.

No , but it means that you want the attention. The crowd did not break the barrier. She did. 

That does not make it better, wanting attention justifies for you sexual assault, that is definitely not something to be proud about.

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Who is DJ Soda? Never heard of him.

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Have you guys seen her posts on IG? Damn, she tried so hard to appear innocent, as if she dropped down from Mars yesterday and dont know how the world works. Pathetic. These "celebs" and "influencers", artificially change their looks to appear "more appealing" and then play the victim card when someone eyes them differently. She said on her post that "it had never happened ever in her life and" and that she was still shaking while typing. Bwoah, yeah sure. I agree she can wear whatever she wants, but then going into crowds without security and blatantly show her things around among tipsy morons is just equally irresonsible by her side. And not to mention this was a good PR stunt and now she is on trend in quite a few countries.

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Dont waste your time guys...

girl_in_tokyo Aug. 18, 2022 10:55 am JST

I'm an atheist and a sex positive feminist, and have been to so many orgies in my life that I can't even count the number. I dated a porn start for a while, and he knew all the great parties.

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the level of over exaggeration is beyond belief. It was woman and these guys probably wanting to get news coverage. There’s no crime and it’s not a serious incident. She gets half naked and goes into crowd hoping people would touch her. The she is complaining to get news coverage. There’s no sexual assault, nobody forced her to get into revealing clothes, there is no broken bones, there’s no forcibly torn out clothes. It’s just a flow of entertainment a woman touched her nonsexual manner.

stop giving hard time to innocent people for ridiculous claims. You can advise them not to do again as a worst case situation. Don’t show the photos and videos of men claiming they touched her. Otherwise, you will get thousands of men making that claim to get popular.

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Larr FlintToday 09:13 am JST

No, I think what those people did was BAD and any form of sexual assault/abuse is BAD, and they should be held responsible.

Why did you call it a witch hunt, then?

All I'm questioning is if Dj Soda didn't want to be touched why did she go to the crowds? Where was the security in that case? Was the security doing their job properly?

Again, she did not go into the crowd. She stood on the other side of a security fence.

But even if she had gone into the crowd, that is not consent in any way to be groped.

I understand she wanted to interact with fans and that's really kind of her, however with so many people around and everyone wanting to touch her as she is their IDOL some drunk, bad people might want to use their chance.

So what is your point? That this is her fault, for not imaginging that there are some drunk bad people who might want to assault her? Therefore it is her own fault, therefore it is a witch hunt to prosecute those who groped her?

You are seriously downplaying an incident of sexual assault by blaming the person who was assaulted rather than blaming the people who groped her. Please, just stop. Your comments are not helpful to anyone, and in fact are meant to hold up the status quo whereby women are continually blamed for their own sexual assault. Just. Stop.

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Until these news, nobody knows who DJ Soda is, perhaps few exceptions of her own friends. Don’t make the false claimers popular. Because of this media nonsense, everyone looking for excuse to make claims and they create sexual assault situation themselves to get news coverage.

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While some online blamed DJ Soda for wearing skimpy clothes, she responded in a follow-up post that "no matter what clothes I wear, sexual harassment and assault cannot be justified."

Absolutely right.

However, Soda should have kept proper distance from very exciting fans. There might be some drunk fans or some are up in smoke/high on drug there. She might have been stabbed by a psychopathic fan if she had a bad luck.

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Tell_me_bout_itToday 10:20 am JST

Have you guys seen her posts on IG? Damn, she tried so hard to appear innocent, as if she dropped down from Mars yesterday and dont know how the world works. Pathetic.

So she should somehow have known that there were people in the crowd who would sexually assault her? Are women supposed to be mind-readers and know what people are thinking so that they can actively avoid the people who want to grope them?

These "celebs" and "influencers", artificially change their looks to appear "more appealing" and then play the victim card when someone eyes them differently.

So women who look sexy should expect to be sexually assaulted? And we should not consider them victims?

She said on her post that "it had never happened ever in her life and" and that she was still shaking while typing. Bwoah, yeah sure. I agree she can wear whatever she wants, but then going into crowds without security and blatantly show her things around among tipsy morons is just equally irresonsible by her side. And not to mention this was a good PR stunt and now she is on trend in quite a few countries.

Yes, she should be able to wear what she wants. Women should be able to wear what they want without someone thinking they have the right to sexually assault them just because they look sexy.

Do you also think men are responsible for being sexually attacked? Or is it only women? I ask, because recently there's been an outpouring of support for the members of Johnny's who were sexually assaulted and even raped by Johnny Kitagawa. I'm curious as to whether you think male entertainers are also responsible for their own sexual assault because they looked sexy.

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Have you guys seen her posts on IG? Damn, she tried so hard to appear innocent, as if she dropped down from Mars yesterday and dont know how the world works.

According to her own testimony she have done similar things in the past without being assaulted, pretending there this is somehow inevitable is much closer to not knowing how the world works, or even worse to try and justify a crime by attacking the victim.

Bwoah, yeah sure

So when the argument disproves yours your only exit is to pretend to know better than her what have happened in her concerts?

At the end of the day you are trying very hard to justify a crime based on what you believe becomes acceptable because the victim actions, that is not valid. Sexual assault would not be acceptable no matter what she was wearing or how she approached her public, and since this repeatedly happened in the past without any assault your invalid justification keeps saying much more about you than her.

the level of over exaggeration is beyond belief

What exaggeration? illegal actions were done and an effort is being done to bring those responsible to face the consequences.

There’s no crime and it’s not a serious incident

Sexual assault is a crime and a serious one as well, you trying to blame the victim is not an argument to disprove this fact, it just help proving a twisted personal code of conduct that considers this acceptable when it obviously is not.

yet bare zero responsibility for anything that happens as a direct result of her actions. 

Nothing happened as a direct result of her actions, she did not force anybody to break the law, that is all on the side of the perpetrators and blaming the victim for the illegal actions of those that assaulted her only shows a terribly bad moral compass.

If the crowd were crocodiles and she decided to have a swim, it's obviously not the crocodile's fault. 

But the criminals are people, that have to face the responsibility of their actions, not animals that can only act by instinct. This is proved beyond doubt when the same actions were done before without any assault happening, it is perfectly possible even with an audience that is excited and drunk.

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@Fighto!--this was an outdoor show at a beach or park across the water from KIX. Probably CCTV footage not in play there. The organizers may have given police the same crowd-shot smartphone footage that NHK is using. Those clips are too brief to draw a strong conclusion, but the existence of video did convince the men to go in to the police for interviewing. It will really get interesting if the woman in this case decides to face the music. Organizers and police likely have a list of female ticket holders to help narrow it down, but a heavy handed police investigation of EDM fans could get ugly for the concert promoters.

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Dang, these guys fit right into Japanese society. "I was drunk. Therefore, I was a completely different person."

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Alles ist gut.Today 09:39 am JST

No , but it means that you want the attention.

Entertainers get attention from fans - this is not a new phenomena nor is it limited to female DJs - so what exactly is your point? You think she did something wrong by having fans?

The crowd did not break the barrier. She did.

She did not cross the barrier - it's clearly stated - multiple times - that the fans reached over the barrier and grabbed her.

No, but if you throw yourself into the crowd, people will grap some Soda.

She did not throw herself into a crowd. People actively reached across a barrier to shake her offered hand.

I wonder if you think movie stars on the red carpet deserve to be groped because they dared reach into the crowd to shake some of their fan's hands? Or how about politicians? Or any other celebrity who is offering a meet and greet opportuntiy? Why the vitriol for this particular person? You seriously need to examine your biases.

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MarkToday 09:08 am JST

TRYHARD JAPAN!?, well he needs to try hard and explain to his Soda that it is normal for fans to have close contact with their band members and artists, may be this was too close but that comes with the job and most band members and artists are prepared for it, some understand it and some DON'T.

You think all stars should be prepared to be groped, or only this one?

If this happened to any other entertainer, would you have the same reaction?

But I think this is just another attempt at GETTING ATTENTION, that's all.

You think women are actively trying to get sexually assaulted because they want attention?

Women who report sexual assault are vilified, demeaned, attacked, and accused - and this is on top of being sexually assualted. And you think she wanted THAT?

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I have read about her going near the crowd, the security failures...or what ever. What ever DJ Soda did is NOT an excuse for sexual assault. My dog, is the world going back to blaming girls and women for dressing and looking how they want. I know, next we can pick on Sumo wrestlers for dressing in a sexually provocative way whilst working. You can laugh, but men pick on women for far less.

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girl_in_tokyoToday  10:32 am JST

So women who look sexy should expect to be sexually assaulted? And we should not consider them victims?

Most of these celebs feed on approvals from others. They depend on it. That's the industry. As you said, popularity is what drives them, so they do whatever it takes to get attention. As they employ stronger and stronger force of attraction, they are bound to attract some unwanted attention. Every action has a consequence. If I take out my cash and wave it around among thousands of people, there is a very high chance pickpocket will make me swallow my pride sooner tha later.

It's easy now when everyone went soft and attention seekers are thriving in this society. If the the groper is cute or rich, they shush it down play along, if otherwise, they play the victim card and sue.

It's a shame world has so many real problems, people are dying needlessly, famine, climate issues etc., and people choose to spend their time on these attention seekers.

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opheliajadefeldtToday  10:55 am JST

I know, next we can pick on Sumo wrestlers for dressing in a sexually provocative way whilst working. You can laugh, but men pick on women for far less.

I would like to see anyone try that on Sumo wrestlers. At least Sumo wrestlers have b...ls to act on spot, and not hide behind their Instagram post.

With the world going now, this woke society will protest against Sumo and claim they should cover their bodies.

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NHK evening news ran a piece of footage, but it went so quickly that the groping was tricky to pinpoint.

I saw the same report and came to the same conclusion.

It's hard to tell what the boundaries are and what contact crossed them. I would imagine if AKB members put themselves in a position close to fans behind barriers, arms would reach out to them in a similar way. I presume contact on her shoulder is not "sexual assault".

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I would hardy call it sexual assault. Maybe they just wanted to see what her surgically-enhanced breasts that she flaunts in her promotional photos feel like?

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Witch hunt in my opinion.

"Witch hunt" implies that someone is being persecuted for imaginary crimes with no evidence. Yet here we have video footage proving that the assault happened.

First of all what that Idol expect to happen if she will go into the crowds?

You generally would not expect a well known person or performer to be sexually assaulted like that in front of everyone, in any country where the law is observed.

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As they employ stronger and stronger force of attraction, they are bound to attract some unwanted attention

Which still means the people giving that unwanted attention are to blame, they have no right to do it and violently imposing their desires comes with consequences. Nobody is forcing people to commit a crime here, pretending it is impossible for people to behave in civilized way can be easily disproved by the many other times when it was completely possible to do it.

 If the the groper is cute or rich, they shush it down play along, if otherwise, they play the victim card and sue.

Which is a very good argument to accuse all the gropes in general, and a terrible one to pretend people should play along.

Maybe they just wanted to see what her surgically-enhanced breasts that she flaunts in her promotional photos feel like?

You just described sexual assault.

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If a woman touches a man’s chest, it that sexual assault?

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The law does not, and should not, distinguish between male and female perpetrators of indecent assault.

Finally something that I wholeheartedly agree with here.

Sadly however I dont believe it for one minute, that the person who posted this actually believes this. Prior experience from comments made by this poster have shown a glaring bias towards men being "automatically" guilty as charged, and women given the benefit of the doubt.

That is a rather large difference! As to this poster, men MUST prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are innocent if accused, and women can just pass it off as if nothing happened!

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 I would hardy call it sexual assault. Maybe they just wanted to see what her surgically-enhanced breasts that she flaunts in her promotional photos feel like?

So if you grabbed a guy by the crotch to check out his surgical implant it's no big deal and not assault?

Really now? It's folks who think like this that assaults happen in the first place.

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I would hardy call it sexual assault. Maybe they just wanted to see what her surgically-enhanced breasts that she flaunts in her promotional photos feel like?

I would hardly call it robbery. They just liked my gun I pointed at them so much they willingly handed me their wallets. Same exact logic. Absurd, innit?

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I would hardy call it sexual assault. Maybe they just wanted to see what her surgically-enhanced breasts that she flaunts in her promotional photos feel like?

What universe are you living in where you think that this kind of crap is ok?

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Tell_me_bout_itToday 11:04 am JST

As they employ stronger and stronger force of attraction, they are bound to attract some unwanted attention. Every action has a consequence. If I take out my cash and wave it around among thousands of people, there is a very high chance pickpocket will make me swallow my pride sooner tha later.

So if someone looks sexy, they are asking for sexual attention, and in turn if someone sexually assaults them, they asked for it, and therefore deserve it.

Do you understand that you are advocating for sexual assault?

It's easy now when everyone went soft and attention seekers are thriving in this society. If the the groper is cute or rich, they shush it down play along, if otherwise, they play the victim card and sue.

You're equating someone who wants sexual attention from a person they find attractive, versus someone who does not want sexual attention from a random person they don't even know and/or is not attracted to.

Again, you are advocating for women to be sexually assaulted because they look sexy.

It's a shame world has so many real problems, people are dying needlessly, famine, climate issues etc., and people choose to spend their time on these attention seekers.

She was sexually assaulted, and you're complaining that she is getting the media to draw attention to the problem of sexual assault.

Every single word you write is cheering for sexual assault.

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YubaruToday 11:54 am JST

Finally something that I wholeheartedly agree with here.

Good.

Sadly however I dont believe it for one minute, that the person who posted this actually believes this.

If I didn't believe it, why would I say it so clearly and openly?

Prior experience from comments made by this poster have shown a glaring bias towards men being "automatically" guilty as charged, and women given the benefit of the doubt. That is a rather large difference! As to this poster, men MUST prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are innocent if accused, and women can just pass it off as if nothing happened!

I have never once said this, yet you continue to make this accusation, over and over again, without any proof I have actually said it. Provide proof, or stop making this absurd accusation.

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Peter NeilToday 11:27 am JST

I would hardy call it sexual assault. Maybe they just wanted to see what her surgically-enhanced breasts that she flaunts in her promotional photos feel like?

Groping someone against their will is sexual assault.

Whether someone has surgically enhanced breasts or not, groping them against their will is sexual assault.

Don't make excuses for sexual assault.

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Tell_me_bout_itToday 11:09 am JST

With the world going now, this woke society will protest against Sumo and claim they should cover their bodies.

You are the one that is vociferously proclaiming that people should cover up.

Or in your mind, does that only apply to women?

Interesting.

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 I have never once said this, yet you continue to make this accusation, over and over again, without any proof I have actually said it. Provide proof, or stop making this absurd accusation.

I dont make "accusations", I state facts!

You have all too often automatically blamed men for being the aggressor and found them guilty, without any trial or verdict. Men accused of being pervs on trains, men being accused of assaults, and countless others. Don't sit here and try to state otherwise! You have an open hatred of men, and let it be known often!

The MEN accused are ALWAYS wrong to you! You give the women the benefit of the doubt, and never agree that they may even be possibly guilty of looking for money or attention, and that their false accusations may ruin the lives of men accused.

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Several reprehensible prongs of assault on the victim here :

Never heard of her. Must be doing it for attention / publicity.

Wearing skimpy clothes, therefore what does she expect ?

She has larger than average breasts, therefore it's ok to grab them.

She came within someone's vicinity, therefore ....

A desperately unhealthy cocktail of misogyny, ignorance and arrogance.

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If you left your expensive bike unlocked in the middle of NYC over the weekend only to come back and find it had been stolen, I'm pretty sure that everyone you told about it would just tell you that you were an idiot for leaving it unlocked. Is that really victim blaming? Does that imply a tacit acceptance of bike theft or in any way suggest that bike thieves are anything but the cretins that they are? I don't think it does. But for some reason, as soon as it comes to a crime affecting mainly women, perpetrated mainly by men (although not in this case), suddenly any criticism of the victim's actions is a complete outrage. It's a simple idealistic vs pragmatic argument. Ideally, you should be able to leave your bike anywhere and not have to secure it with an expensive lock. Go ahead and do that and you will be the perpetual victim. Ideally, a woman should be able to dress in a skimpy, sexy, revealing outfit and throw herself into a crowd of drunk, adoring fans. Go ahead and do that and you will again be the perpetual victim. Ideally, a girl should be able to advertise her services on some papakatsu site and not end up in the hands of some weirdo abuser. Surprise surprise, go ahead and do that and end up becoming a victim. The idealistic argument just seems to end in more victims - unfortunately, it doesn't matter what we do, there are always going to be some bad people out there.

If it's any consolation to people like girl_in_tokyo (whose arguments some of which I do have some sympathy with), us men also have to think about our behaviour too - we learn as we get older that going to certain places, getting crazy drunk etc., even dressing in a certain way - although unlikely to be victims of sexual assault, we are much more likely to be the victims of other crimes - violent assault, muggings, theft etc. Many people think that older people are more likely to be the victims of such crimes, but its the other way around - younger people are more likely to be victims because older people have learned how to avoid those situations.

This particular case - I saw the video, not really clear what happened but it seemed that a few fans were reaching for her, touching her arms which she was comfortable with, then at one point she suddenly reacted and pulled away - probably the point where the woman grabbed her breast hard. I think the people in the crowd just got a big carried away and went a bit too far - it's a bit of a storm in a teacup really - I think a genuine apology is needed but that's about it.

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Again, if a woman touches a man’s chest, it that sexual assault?

I think most of you are overreacting. It wasn't such a big deal. Great publicity though, isn't it?

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If you left your expensive bike unlocked in the middle of NYC over the weekend only to come back and find it had been stolen, I'm pretty sure that everyone you told about it would just tell you that you were an idiot for leaving it unlocked

But if you repeatedly did that for years and years without it getting stolen, it would be natural to think this would still apply if you go to a place that is supposedly safer, unfortunately that was not the case.

Is that really victim blaming?

Yes, it is. Without any doubt. Nothing she did would justify sexual assault, so pretending her actions somehow "forced" people to commit a crime could not be called any other way. She acted the same in other countries without being assaulted, that clearly proves there is nothing difficult with people behaving as humans even during a concert.

I think the people in the crowd just got a big carried away and went a bit too far

Which is as valid as saying someone got carried away and got a bit pregnant.

People crossed a line without any justification, they should face the consequences.

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Again, if a woman touches a man’s chest, it that sexual assault?

Yes it can be depending on the situation, I don't know what kind of argument you want to make but inappropriately touching someone else against their will with sexual intent can be sexual assault, by this point it should be obvious.

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Some people here can get incredibly worked up about a man being accused of doing anything to a woman. A woman doing that exact same thing gets no vilification. A woman intentionally leaving a newborn to die a horrible death in a toilet or locker gets no attention. Oops, I have violated some unwritten rule on this site. Comment pulled soon.

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Who is DJ Soda? Never heard of him.

Neither had I, but then I tried something called Google which worked wonders for me. It may enlighten you too, assuming you’re not another person flexing on how cultured you are by not knowing who someone is and being too awesome on the internet to go check.

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I used to know a Japanese woman in Hiroshima. She would get other women drunk and take them back to her place and molest and assault them. She said some were into it but most were not. She said the thing that helped her avoid the police was that most women felt shame and worried about the possibility of being ridiculed.

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Again, if a woman touches a man’s chest, it that sexual assault?

I think most of you are overreacting. It wasn't such a big deal. Great publicity though, isn't it?

wow, you got the full house.

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And a woman! So we have a woman groping a woman!

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girl_in_tokyoToday  12:21 pm JST

So if someone looks sexy, they are asking for sexual attention, and in turn if someone sexually assaults them, they asked for it, and therefore deserve it.

Do you understand that you are advocating for sexual assault?

I am not advicating for sexual assault. I condemn those 3 morons. Sexual assault is absolutely wrong. But I also advocate that every action comes with consequence. She poses half naked with bikinis for her promotional materials. So shallow, that even though her craft is DJing, she has to artifically change her body to stay relevant in the industry. You dont see male DJs performing half naked or feel the need to show their crotches to promote their events.

If she has to wear so provocatively to sell her craft, then she is in the wrong business.

And dont come at me saying that she can wear whatever she wants.

And please stop asking questions to every person on this thread. Rhetoric questions get tiresome if repetetive.

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girl_in_tokyoToday  12:21 pm JST

Again, you are advocating for women to be sexually assaulted because they look sexy.

I am not advicating.

I am just sad that we show symphaty to attention seekers, when they are ready to sell their souls to "look" sexy because that is the only way they can stay relevant.

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virusrexToday  11:43 am JST

Nobody is forcing people to commit a crime here, pretending it is impossible for people to behave in civilized way

Who dictates what is "civilized way"? You?

I agree groping without consent is uncivilized, oh yes I do.

But "civilized" world is very civilized to cheer on these fake celebs. We say hell yes to looking at instagram models every day and question our self-esteem that we do not "fit in". We say hell yes to artificially change our bodies because civiziled society says "you deserve it" or "this is the perfect body". We are so civilized that public decency is non-existent. We are so civilized that things like fake physical apearance, online influence, confidence are more famed than things like intellect, humility and decency.

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 You dont see male DJs performing half naked

You do, regularly. Ibiza, Coachella, you name it, there are DJs with their shirts off. And it isnt limited to DJs, check out Japanese fan favs such as EXILE or J Soul Brothers, they spend most of their time performing showing off their muscles. Sure it is sexualized, and not everyone agrees with that, but it isnt an invitation to assault or rape someone.

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Would love to see how all the people downplaying this would react if it was their own daughter.

I feel bad for the women in these peoples lives.

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Over reaction.

Touch my body, earn millions.

Protect people but not the ones willingly asking to test boundaries.

Skimpy clothes in excited crowd of your own fans ? No

Normal clothes in normal crowd ? Yes.

Again video showing DJ bending over the fence using a step ladder, and not getting mad in any way, just surprised. And kept smiling. Do you keep smiling if really I had hurt you in any way ?

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ChabbawangaToday  03:17 pm JST

I feel bad for the women in these peoples lives.

you know nothing about these people's lives.

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I am all for protection of people and especially women and children. But not the fat cat people.

I help ladies if harassed in the streets, even if wearing skimpy clothes, but not the one asking for it then regreting it.

Look for find out.

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Tell_me_bout_itToday 03:05 pm JST

I am not advicating.

I am just sad that we show symphaty to attention seekers, when they are ready to sell their souls to "look" sexy because that is the only way they can stay relevant.

She isn't seeking attention. She is reporting what happened to her in the media to bring attention to sexual assault, and raise awareness to encourage victims not to be ashamed and to come forward to report what happend to them so that more perpetrators can be caught.

You are calling it attention-seeking, which does the opposite - makes women feel ashamed, as if they have done something to deserve being assaulted, and discourages them from coming forward because they will get even more abuse from commentators. This encourages abusers, who see these comments as vindication for what they did - after all, if the woman is at fault, the groper did nothing wrong.

So yes, you are actively advocating for sexual assault.

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Who dictates what is "civilized way"? You?

Definitely not committing crimes is more civilized that just pretend you can do as you like, at least for rational people that understand everybody deserves respect. Once your argument ends up not seeing a difference between people enjoying a show with or without sexually assaulting the performer you are already losing the discussion.

It was completely possible to do the show without sexual assaults for years, that is definitely much more civilized even if you don't want to recognize it.

Over reaction.

People sexually assaulted someone, asking for them to face the consequence of their actions is not over reacting. Pretending nothing bad happened or that it was deserved is completely wrong. You keep trying to ignore the fact that this was done safely repeatedly without any problems, I know it completely destroys your belief that it makes sexual assault unavoidable, but ignoring this fact only helps proving you know you have no argument.

but not the one asking for it then regreting it.

that is the thing, nobody was asking for it, that is just you personally justifying a crime and blaming the victim for not adjusting to your own personal standards. It is as valid as someone justifying it for showing her ankles.

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I am not advicating for sexual assault. I condemn those 3 morons. Sexual assault is absolutely wrong. But I also advocate that every action comes with consequence. She poses half naked with bikinis for her promotional materials. So shallow, that even though her craft is DJing, she has to artifically change her body to stay relevant in the industry. You dont see male DJs performing half naked or feel the need to show their crotches to promote their events. 

If she has to wear so provocatively to sell her craft, then she is in the wrong business. 

And dont come at me saying that she can wear whatever she wants. 

And please stop asking questions to every person on this thread. Rhetoric questions get tiresome if repetetive.

I will address you directly then. How do you go from stating you condemn sexual assault to then descending into a not at all relevant rant about the state of modern celebrity ?

You rant ends up being a wilful defence of sexual assault because you are so disgusted by those people.

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you know nothing about these people's lives.

I can make some pretty decent assumptions based on their responses to this new article.

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 but not the one asking for it then regreting it.

What does that even mean? How many people do you meet that ask to get assaulted?

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Do you keep smiling if really I had hurt you in any way ?

Shock can manifest in different ways. She probably wasn’t smiling on the inside as her mind tried to process what had just happened.

asking for it

Please remember that if you or someone close to you is ever sexually assaulted because the offender interpreted what you were wearing as you “asking for it”.

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How many people do you meet that ask to get assaulted?

It would seem from a few posters here, quite a lot. It must be very difficult to go to any beach, carnival, nightclub or bar around the world and not resist touching people because they asked for it.

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ChabbawangaToday  03:51 pm JST

I can make some pretty decent assumptions based on their responses to this new article.

Yeah well, that's like uh, your opinion man

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PaustovskyToday  03:51 pm JST

I will address you directly then. How do you go from stating you condemn sexual assault to then descending into a not at all relevant rant about the state of modern celebrity ?

You rant ends up being a wilful defence of sexual assault because you are so disgusted by those people.

First of all, thank you for sparing your precious time to address me directly, How nice of you.

Does your mind lacks the capability to understand that non-binary perception to a problem can exist?

I am simply seeing faults at both sides. That is what it is.

3 perpetrators are at fault legally and morally for comitting public indecency.

The DJ is at fault, not legally yes, but morally for committing public indecency.

I know in the grand scheme of things, my opinion does not matter. These people will inspire a lot more people to behave in similar manner unfortunately. People are confused. These are confusing times.

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The DJ is at fault, not legally yes, but morally for committing public indecency.

She did not commit public indecency, that is a personal judgment and therefore not something you can impose. By claiming she is at fault you are explicitly blaming the victim, which is morally wrong.

These people will inspire a lot more people to behave in similar manner unfortunately

Not unfortunately but hopefully, inspiring others to denounce sexual abuse and making the perpetrators face consequences would be a huge benefit and a silver lining of this.

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YubaruToday 12:52 pm JST

I dont make "accusations", I state facts!

Then prove I have said this by posting examples from my posts. I'm waiting.

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Jonathan PrinToday 03:17 pm JST

Over reaction.

Asking that the perpetrators be prosecuted is not an overreaction to sexual assault.

Touch my body, earn millions.

Where did you see evidence that she is going to get millions? Even women who have been much more horrifically abused than this do not get settlements in the millions. Provide evidence.

Protect people but not the ones willingly asking to test boundaries.

Protect PEOPLE. You seem to think that some people deserve protection against sexual assault whereas others do not.

Skimpy clothes in excited crowd of your own fans ? No

Normal clothes in normal crowd ? Yes.

Skimpy clothes do not make someone deserving of sexual assault, and it is still a crime to sexually assault someone no matter what they are wearing.

Again video showing DJ bending over the fence using a step ladder, and not getting mad in any way, just surprised. And kept smiling. Do you keep smiling if really I had hurt you in any way ?

She was visibly shaking and upset later, when she had the chance to actually process what had happened to her. Delayed reaction to trauma is very normal.

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but at least I know I will not stand out in the crowd, which is safer than other way.

But when confronted with an incident of sexual assault you make justifications for the perpetrators and shift responsibility towards the victim, making a contribution against making society safer.

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Teh Venn diagram of men who sexually assault women and the men who advocate for sexual assault by declaring that women deserve it as a consequence of wearing sexy clothes is two completely overlapping circle.

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virusrexToday  04:41 pm JST

But when confronted with an incident of sexual assault you make justifications for the perpetrators and shift responsibility towards the victim, making a contribution against making society safer.

Didnt make justifications for the perpetrators. They should be penalized accordingly.

I simply state the fact that the DJ should have known better and she is milking this now as a PR stunt

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