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mountaingrill
Japan really has diabolical fire safety standards when it comes to buildings. Laws are often flouted and they get away with it until something like this happens. Shocking. My heart goes out to the families whose parents or siblings won't be coming home tonight.
Iron Lad
Terrible news.
HBJ
It goes without saying that so many people shouldn't perish in a building fire.
All buildings should have multiple escape routes, as well as sufficient space within them to allow people to move quickly in an emergency.
I hope that this wasn't a case of locked, blocked, or lack of escape routes, or anything untoward. It should, however be a wake up call to all other building owners to make sure their buildings are properly maintained, and as safe as possible in the event of an earthquake or fire.
nonu6976
27 dead even though it was mid morning? - those poor people had to be trapped somehow - fire escapes blocked or locked possibly.
bluemoon
The comment made me check the building in the picture closer, and sure enough I used to work there. Which then led me to check on my friends and co-workers who are still there (nobody from the school was affected). Rob, please reconsider you attitude, you're not being cool.
Didou, thanks for giving that information.
didou
Well, this piece of information was reported in the local media. And this site is viewed by many English Teachers ( I am not one) who might be interested in this piece of information. Some teachers might be part of the affected people. That’s it.
It has nothing to do with the fire itself, but you know, many useless information are reported in the news
YongYang
Again, no requirement for a sprinkler system brings disaster. The Myojo 56 building fire
in Kabukicho, the Kyoto Animation's Studio 1 building fire, etc.
blahblah222
Well Japan have really poor fire standards especially in the older buildings, often times the stairs are either locked or completely blocked off with people using it as a storage area. Even in modern office buildings, stairs to the 1st floor exit is generally locked and you can only exit via the elevators. I generally have no idea how an evacuation could work with so many stair doors locked up.
In my old apartment, the stairs are generally unusable, with boxes and various things always stacked up in the stairs and you would need to step over many things in order to cross.
Joe Blow
This seems to be some bizarre pan-Asian/East Asian phenomenon. From Japan to Korea, Taiwan, etc. I've noticed that fire escapes are routinely locked, blocked or layouts are designed to make accessing them slow and difficult.
I really do not get it.
TokyoLiving
So tragic..
Japan must improve building's safety standars for fire..
Richard Gallagher
I am an ex-firefighter. Many of the individuals expired from cardiac arrest - an indication they were asphyxiated. Which is the cause of 70% of deaths in structural fires.
The lack of sprinkler systems, fire escapes & exits is inexcusable. Fire extinguishers seem to be lacking, even in restaurants - let alone other places of business.
This is incredibly sad and tragic.
There was a fire, recently, in my neighborhood. The response and actions by the fire department were impressive. Excellent response time, highly professional and polished.
didou
20 people were inside the clinic according to some reports. And an arson is also suspected.
This building also hosts an English Conversation School at a lower floor.
A tragedy.
Strangerland
Poor people. How was there not a fire escape for them?
Yrral
Lots of Japanese, are on edge psychologically, this person may not know why he did what he did, but that still no excuse, lots people are mentally in a deprave state of mind
snowymountainhell
Unconfirmed but local source says the 4th floor also houses a ‘mental health’ clinic.
lolozo79
News just in. The perp responsible for this heinous act is currently one of the hospitalized. Once he recovers, I hope they throw the book at him
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
Sad news and horrible way to die.
Ive noticed here in Japan that even tho many houses and apartments have fire extinguishers but ive never seen any that have dated tags that routinely inspect and maintain the extinguishers to check they actually work.
Fire safety and prevention.
snowymountainhell
Tragic. All over the news in the U.S., India and abroad since 11am JST.
gokai_wo_maneku
Since this floor housed a mental clinic dealing with psychiatric patients, I'm guessing that the first suspects will be one of the patients.
David Brent
I've often thought what a death-trap some of these buildings are in Japan. Always make sure you know how to get out of somewhere in an emergency.
Alan Harrison
Years ago, such buildings would have a caretaker who would live inside the building, usually an apartment (with a rooftop garden) on the top floor. This led to 24/7 maintenance. This trend has been disappearing over the years.
bluemoon
The building only has one set of stairs, to the front left as you look at it from the outside. There is no other fire escape. Also, the building is narrow left to right, but goes very far back, that's why so many people were trapped. He started the fire at the only exit point, the people had nowhere to go. Just terrible.
nandakandamanda
Apparently most of them died not from the fire per se, but from smoke and carbon monoxide poisoning.
Sven Asai
I already don’t understand how they can ever manage to pack those 28 people , staff and patients , into a psychiatric hospital of 25 square meters. No need to tell me that it probably was a bit bigger, let’s say 40 , 60 or 75 m2, I know that and it doesn’t change anything, but maybe it explains why that ‘customer’ got really aggressive and crazed and no one there could escape in time.
Mark
A SAD weekend in many homes in Osaka, RIP.
Kumagaijin
As others have pointed out, there seems to be a real fire hazard in buildings that are just under the safety code.
I have a hunch that it has something to do with the ownership of these buildings and the ties to politicians or even organized crime. "It would cost too much money to install sprinkler systems or fire escapes" is a likely excuse and so city council doesn't mandate any changes. After the Kobe earthquake in 1994, new buildings had to follow strict structural requirements. However, for fire safety, not much has been done and its all over Japan that you see these tall narrow buildings (many with Izakayas with hot grease burning kitchens) and every year there are over a dozen deaths resulting from fires.
nonu6976
looking at the building, the fire escape would have to be at the back, so presumably it was blocked by fire, or it was locked.
snowymountainhell
Looks like a language school on the 2nd floor and tragically named “LOST”(?) ‘medical salon’ on the 6th.
Seesaw7
I noticed Japanese are not so concerned about fire safety. In some companies I visited they place boxes at staircase entrance. I once saw fire extinguisher was hidden behind the printer and some drawers.
kaimycahl
The Osaka department said it did not confirm any fire protection deficiencies in the entire building, located in the Kitashinchi district known for bars and nightclubs, when it conducted a safety inspection in March 2019. Could the reason be that there was NO FIRE PROTECTION to confirm!
Given the number of floors and size of the building, it was not legally required to install fire sprinklers, and they were not actually installed, according to the department. WOW you would think that looking from the picture the building should have evacuation routes posted, with the capacity number of people allowed in each office. WOW not legally required to install fire sprinklers from what I am reading the only requirement was one way in and one way out!!! The building was a death trap like most in Japan, they have some of the most non exist safety requirements. When I go into an establishment I alway look for a way out in case of an emergency!
snowymountainhell
Here’s what we know locally at 12pmJST:
Flute
More information coming in :
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14504354
5 confirmed dead
fire likely to have ignited by the entrance so people within the clinic were unable to leave
all the people found unconscious were on the 4th floorMy condolences and wish for recovery to all the affected.
Ah_so
Any recollection about the fire escape?
Chibakun
Did the arsonist use an accelerant or is it normal to burn this easily?
Iron Lad
@lolozo79
Good news. I hope the others recover too.
WA4TKG
I wonder what this one’s Excuse is
nishikat
I understand the fire codes were followed. But you can't really blame them (so much) since they are inked for accidental fires and not someone who has a plan for mass murder with an accelerant. Like the World Trade Center, those buildings had sprinklers but with the accelerant (the jet fuel) it would have been like peeing in a big camp fire to try to put it out. You want to make every single building in Japan safe from arsonists with accelerant? Is that really feasible? What are some constructive solutions to this?
kohakuebisu
Like nishikat, I wonder how good a regular sprinkler system spraying water would be if someone has just thrown gasoline all over a reception area with sofas etc. As with KyoAni, how fast would the whole building fill with toxic smoke?
If the perp is still alive, I hope the "I did it as a protest and didn't mean to kill lots of people" defence is thrown out straight away in the most public way possible.
Zaphod
Meaning the entrance and exit were the same? That sounds like terrible design.
Concerned Citizen
This is a tragedy. Poor folks. And yes, suspected arson according the local news. God have mercy.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20211217/k10013391971000.html
CKAI
Good on the EMT! Really hope they pull through.
lolozo79
This is tragic and could have been handled with no loss of life. I passed by a couple of hours after, and wondered what all the hullabaloo was about. The police, fire department, and press were all over the place. RIP to the unfortunate victims. I hope the arsonist is caught.
Iron Lad
24 confirmed dead.
My god, what a tragedy.
This is a freaking massacre.
Lindsay
Looking at the little building squashed in between a few larger ones it’s unlikely there was a adequate fire escape, if any. Fire safety is something that is not common in older buildings in Japan. I’ll bet they didn’t have extinguishers and/or training on the correct use either. A sad end to a day at work for a lot of people and their families.
kurisupisu
Wow!
I am just down the road from there…
Fighto!
Rest in Peace to these poor people.
It certainly seems like arson to me. I expect this will be confirmed later today.
Chibakun
I hope they catch who ever did this. Japan really does seem to becoming less safe.
Sanjinosebleed
Japan has worse health and safety standards than developing countries when it comes to this kind of thing! Absolutely avoidable tragedy but nothing will be done and the 1000s of buildings without escapes or sprinkler systems will wait for the same thing to happen again!
It was a mental health clinic with a seminar in progress. One of the clients (former or current unknown) had issues with the owner/boss.
also unknown if he /she died as well in the fire.
extremely sad!
Iron Lad
28 rescued.
24 dead.
4 survived.
Namu!
WilliB
Horrible incident. I wonder if the "psychiatric" has something to do with it.
Iron Lad
Well, it has been hours, are they dead or?
Rob
What does this piece of information have to do with anything?