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'Black Panther' poised to become an Oscars heavyweight

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And laughing at someone getting upset at "gangster like." That sounds about white....

Pandaclair,

My post  was perhaps too short to read much into it so let me further clarify it, I don't watch race the guy was, if he looked more like Eminem & acted like him I would have the SAME criticism.

IMO making that character "gangster like" to me was not needed, brought the movie down some, it could have been done better.

There are plenty of movies where gangster type characters would fit in fine, in fact would be worse WITHOUT them.

As I said the movie was ok & all the +ve vibes from it, I am cool with that, BUT I stand imo of the gangster like character, was a bad choice imo. That's it, don't read too much into things!

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Haven't seen it but with all of the negative criticism it seems that it's not worth seeing so I won't.

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One of my quite close friends is black, and he's told me about being a kid, loving comics, but having almost no superheros who looked like him. His hero was Bruce Leroy (great movie!), but few superheros that looked like him.

Then they make a movie with a black superhero, about black people, and the extremist white people go off about how diversity is so unnecessary blah blah blah.

Sure, if you grew up looking at people who looked like you, you wouldn't see any issue worth improving. But for people like my friend, there is a very real issue out there, and they aren't asking suddenly that all superheros be black/woman/[insert minority here]. But it's nice if there are some superheros who look like them, and that doesn't take away from the rest of the superheros.

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It was simply not a good story telling.

This is all I'm trying to say. A lot of people can't separate the cultural achievement from the actual quality of the film itself.

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The movie was a big disappointment to me. I had a big expectation. It was simply not a good story telling. I walked out in the middle of the show.

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And if speaking about race makes you uncomfortable, that says more about the audience than the film.

First... What? I really hope that isn't aimed at me since here I am speaking about race. I don't think anyone here has that problem. I do see some people who aren't comfortable with race being criticized though.

And Killmonger didn't act like a stereotypical "gangster," he acted like a black man from Oakland. Where I live.

I grew up Los Angeles. I've known real 'gangsters'. I've also spent time in Oakland. Just being from somewhere doesn't negate a stereotype. In fact, I would argue that saying every black man from Oakland acts like that is a racist statement in itself because I know for a fact that not every black man from Oakland acts like that.

He was no more "gangster" than Klau.

Um, that's just dumb. Yeah, he totally was, that was part of the character's upbringing.

Now, I bought the 4k blu-ray without even seeing the film first because I believed the hype and expected a great film. What I got was a retelling of the Lion King with superheroes and 2 hours of dumb decisions by the main character. I mean, this random guy with a glowey lip tatoo shows up and you just take his word for it that he's related and offer up your entire kingdom to him, just like that? Not even a call to 23 and Me for a DNA test?

Like I already said, I understand the importance of the film to people of color (although everybody still forgets Blade...) I just can see past that and acknowledge that the story itself really is not that good. If you can't see past the color of the characters then there is not much point discussing the merits of the actual film with you.

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@extanker

I get the point, and it doesn't apply because white European people haven't been colonized, enslaved, and subjugated the way African and black people have, so the story wouldn't make any sense. This isn't a colorblind story that can just be picked up and moved to a different location.

And Killmonger didn't act like a stereotypical "gangster," he acted like a black man from Oakland. Where I live. He was no more "gangster" than Klau.

And I didn't say it deserved a ton of awards per se, but it deserves recognition and respect for being a ground breaking film for people of color and the industry. Those who feel differently can argue that, but people disparaging the film for being about race and using that against it are completely missing the point that yes, it IS about race. It's supposed to be about race. That's what makes it different than an average superhero film. And if speaking about race makes you uncomfortable, that says more about the audience than the film.

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@pandaclair

His point is that if the movie had the same story but wasn't about black people, say if it was about a hidden high tech nation full of white people somewhere in Europe, it would have just been another superhero movie and not even considered for any awards.

I understand that people of color hold the film in higher regard because of the subject and the cast, but that doesn't make the story any better. It still isn't any better than the average superhero film.

And the Killmonger character did act like a stereotypical 'gangster', a white person (you assume) can't criticize the way a black character acted in a movie that he didn't like?

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Reverse colours and this movie would never have been shown.

Um, isn't that kind of the point? This is a movie about black people. The color of their skin is integral to the story.

I thought it was a great movie, and my kids are obsessed with it. My son was even Black Panther for Halloween. I love that they have non-white superheroes to look up to. I don't know what awards it deserves or not, but I'm glad it's getting recognition and that Hollywood is starting to realize that films about people of color and made by people of color have value, both cultural and economic.

And laughing at someone getting upset at "gangster like." That sounds about white....

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Did enjoy the Avengers latest, mind. Gloriously grim ending and great ensemble dynamics.

What did you think of that mid-credits scene in Ant Man 2? My girlfriend heard me yell from the other room!

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I thought BP was ok, but when the bad guy came in all "gangster like"...…………..it turned me off, was so unnecessary to do that

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this movie is overrated in the worst kind of leftist virtue-signalling.

Didn't notice leftist virtue-signalling when I was watching it, tbh. That's a thing, right?

Just noticed that it was an ok Marvel flick...

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It was the supporting cast and Wakanda that made it for me. Unfortunately, Chadwick Boseman's character was a bit too serious for me. Marvel characters tend to be quirky and the script poorly served Boseman, in that regard.

In the Marvel film pantheon, I'd place it halfway. The recent Thor and Spiderman episodes will take some beating. Did enjoy the Avengers latest, mind. Gloriously grim ending and great ensemble dynamics.

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YAWN the Movie was mediocre at best.

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This movie is barely above the halfway point in the MCU. There are several MCU that are way better than Black Panther; Ragnarok, Spider Man: Homecoming, and the best of the MCU - Winter Soldier. BP was mediocre at best.

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I want to see this movie, but twenty years from now, when they make the alternate reality version, with the role reenvisioned as a fat blonde white woman from New Jersey, now that will be something...

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

It was very boring in my opinion, I started falling asleep in Toho cinema

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what utter rubbish - this movie is overrated in the worst kind of leftist virtue-signalling. There is no category in the Oscars where this movie deserves even a mention. It's just a good 7/10 superhero movie.

This is just fawning hollywood at its worst and most navel-gazing.

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Reverse colours and this movie would never have been shown. I stomached less than half of this racist claptrap before watching something else.

Storyline is dull.

Racial overtones - highly obvious.

CGI - good.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

Yeah... I liked it but I wouldn't call it best picture either.

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Best costume design, maybe. Best picture?? Not by a long shot. I wouldn't even give it a nod for best special effects, with that extremely dodgy CGI fight at the end.

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