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© 2020 AFP'Wonder Woman 1984': Moment of truth for pandemic-torn Hollywood
By Andrew MARSZAL LOS ANGELES©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Bob Fosse
Maybe they could hire you as a writer. You rehash the same comment every time a ‘Hollywood’ news item comes up. Seems a match made in heaven.
Speed
Did she really say that or is that a misquote? Maybe Director Jenkins needs to go directly back to school. I wonder.
0rei0
Good lord- I may be being a little harsh here, but she's a Hollywood director playing with hundreds of millions of dollars, and she can barely string a grammatical sentence together.
""Everybody doesn't know what to do" ?
"It's wild, wild times."! ?
And she co-wrote the screen play to this movie- I can't say I have high hopes...
The next couple of years are inevitably going to see some major changes to the current Hollywood modus operandi, their days of largesse are surely numbered and the door beckons for more than a few.
Hopefully, less is more (quality, that is).
starpunk
Christmastime is a time for joy, peace, brevity and happiness and good cheer. Who the hell wants to go see the premer of a two-star (at best) recycled junk movie with tired themes in a cinema? That ain't what Christmas is about whether you'd be religious or not.
This crass sickening phenomina is the last nail in the coffin of Christmas entertainment. This began in the US during the mid 90s and it's absolutely cheaping, commercializating, unseasonable, unreligious, money-grabbing and a big time spoiler to what should be a great happy time. Repulsive and disgusting.
Peter14
Looking forward to this new movie as I am getting tired of re-watching old TV shows and movies over the past year.
It will be refreshing to watch a new story unfold rather than waiting for everything you know is coming with a re watch.
To those who have no interest in this movie or it's genre I say, it is no skin off my nose.
There are going to be many fans who watch, smile and laugh when viewing this movie.
0rei0
So... Wonder Woman wasn't an old 70's TV show that has been rebooted to pander to the likes of...
PerformingMonkey
All the talented people in Hollywood must have moved to TV drama.
Mocheake
Yawn. Anything new AND original out there?
Peter14
The fictional DC Comics character Wonder Woman was created by William Moulton Marston. She was first introduced in All Star Comics #8 (December 1941), then appeared in Sensation Comics #1 (January 1942), Six months later, she appeared in her own comic book series (summer 1942). She did not originate in a 70's TV series. As the comic book empires of DC and Marvel bring their characters to life in modern day movies this new movie on Wonder Woman will be well received by fans.
For the anti fans, nothing to see here you can move along. For the fans, look forward to a great movie, well acted and presented in a light hearted spirit of the comic books from which they get their origins.
lostrune2
Go watch "News of the World" and "Midnight Sky"
https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/tom-hanks-saddles-up-for-first-western-in-'news-of-the-world'
https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/q-a-clooney-on-'midnight-sky'-and-his-twilight-as-an-actor
If ya don't, then ya can only blame yourself why they don't make more non-rehash and non-remake
lostrune2
Watch them when they do make new and original ones, without complaining about getting off the couch and paying theater prices
WA4TKG
Holly WHAT ? Never mind.
0rei0
Well copy-pasted- Wouldn't want to think a true fan couldn't speak for themselves...
Toasted Heretic
Reminds me of when the first film came out, and the ire and fury from certain commentators was glorious.
Nobody's going to watch it, they cried.
Comics are for kids, they wailed.
PC gone mad, they inexplicably chimed.
When it then emerged that GG was a former member and vocal supporter of the IDF there was furious backpeddling. Suddenly, this was the superhero movie to watch.
I look forward to seeing it. I enjoy the blockbusters as well as the alternatives. I have no problem with Gal Gadot or any conservative leaning actors. I enjoy the story and the spectacle. That's the main thing.
bass4funk
As Hollyweird continues to annoy people with their opinionated opinions and try to tell the rest of us how we should live or conduct ourselves and we don’t need any of these people or their lectures, keep it to yourselves, write something new and entertaining and maybe they can collect an audience once again.
lostrune2
The biggest ever movie is the Avengers: Endgame just last year
(People have such short memories)
bass4funk
Sorry, that’s not how Hollywood works. One or two giant blockbuster movies in a year is not going to save Hollywood from a rapidly declining downward spiral. Again, as long as they keep their personal opinions to themselves mind their own businesses, come up with new and not rehashed movie ideas that have been tried and done zillions of times, come up with something original and they will see the consumer come back for sure.
lostrune2
Sorry, but that's not your argument. You said "maybe they can collect an audience once again"
Obviously they found an audience
Also, here are the yearly US domestic box office grosses (not even counting international grosses here) the last decade:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/
I don't see "a rapidly declining downward spiral" - if anything, it has stalled (sometimes up, sometimes down)
If you wanna support your argument, please provide us with hard data - not merely opinions
bass4funk
No, you completely misunderstood my point...
Yes
Obviously they found an audience
Hollywood national national TV are already hemorrhaging and have been for a long time.
Again, it’s not consistent, nothing to the monstrous levels of revenue the studios were raking in 4 years ago and the numbers keep dropping.
I do since a lot of this pays my paycheck
bass4funk
As long as Hollyweird thinks we need them, they’ll continue to lose money, which is probably the best thing.
https://screenrant.com/hollywood-coronavirus-covid-19-industry-changes-after-impact/
https://screenrant.com/reasons-why-people-dont-go-to-the-movies-anymore-box-office/
https://positivitypost.com/the-american-people-are-turning-against-hollywood/
lostrune2
4 years ago? Which monstrous revenue?
Again, here's the last 4 years (and no, 2020 would not be included because 2020 is not a normal year by any stretch of the imagination):
2019 - $11,320,874,529
2018 - $11,889,341,443
2017 - $11,072,815,067
2016 - $11,377,066,920
It went down in 2017, but 2018 is even higher than 2016, then 2019 is about the same as 2016. So it's essentially flat. Where's this "rapidly declining downward spiral"?
C'mon man, give us cold hard numbers, not opinion pieces
https://screenrant.com/hollywood-coronavirus-covid-19-industry-changes-after-impact/ - This is not even about the quality of movies at all - it's about the effect of Covid
https://screenrant.com/reasons-why-people-dont-go-to-the-movies-anymore-box-office/ - First of all, that's 2016. Second, in 2018 it actually went up! Then 2019 is about the same as 2016.
https://positivitypost.com/the-american-people-are-turning-against-hollywood/ - 2018 and yet another opinion piece. And the 2018 numbers don't even back it up (2018 has the highest box office revenue)
C'mon man, show cold hard data to back up your argument. People can say whatever in their opinions, but cold hard data are unbiased facts
bass4funk
Which pretty much is nothing for long sustainable growth, add payroll, location, set costs, location and the average 2000 workers bringing a show to life, not a whole lot, not to mention there wasn’t a consistent and patronage of movie goers as the numbers has have been a a slow decline.
As I just mentioned.
https://public.tableau.com/ja-jp/gallery/no-more-movie-theaters-decline-box-office?tab=viz-of-the-day&type=viz-of-the-day
Not just the Covid, don’t Cherry pick please
https://screenrant.com/reasons-why-people-dont-go-to-the-movies-anymore-box-office/ - First of all, that's 2016. Second, in 2018 it actually went up! Then 2019 is about the same as 2016.
I always do and did. Whether you support going to the movies is your right and your business, but Hollywood is on the decline and the sooner it’s gone, the better for us all IMHO.
Toasted Heretic
This comment has been rehashed a thousand times and has conveniently ignored the age old tradition of culture recycling ideas for centuries. Be it architecture, novels, painting, poetry or cinema.
It also ignores the many, many original and independent movies being released around the world.
Knee jerk reactions need to be rebooted.
starpunk
Regurgitate. Rinse. Recycle. Spoon feed to the masses. Repeat. Relabel.
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lostrune2
First, you still haven't shown that "monstrous levels of revenue the studios were raking in 4 years ago"
Second, you're trying to deflect it by making a non sequitur
Third, you went from "rapidly declining downward spiral" to "a slow decline" - which is not supported by the data from the last 10 years
Damn, that's backpedaling all over the place, lol
Dude, that's 2020! As already mentioned, nobody uses 2020 as a barometer of anything because of Covid!
Just to be clear, the decline of movies, theaters, and Hollywood in 2020 is not because of the quality of the movies - but because Covid has kept many theaters closed, hardly any new movie releases, and people avoiding being crammed into closed quarters
People can't go to the movies even if they want to!
It's not just Covid - as there are always reasons why some people won't go to the movies anymore. But at the same time, there are always reasons why people still want to go to the movies too. For example:
"Yes, Young People Still Go to the Movies: Report Finds 18-24 Is Biggest Moviegoing Segment"
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/08/young-people-millenials-movie-ticket-sales-1202166084/
"New Study Shows That Millennials Are Still Interested in Going to the Movies" (Ages 25-40)
https://filmschoolrejects.com/new-study-shows-millennials-still-interested-going-movies/
And the steady box office numbers support it
I'm still waiting to see financial numbers in your posts
Again, here's the U.S. domestic box office data the last decade (excluding 2020 for obvious reasons of course)
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/
2019 - $11,320,874,529
2018 - $11,889,341,443
2017 - $11,072,815,067
2016 - $11,377,066,920
2015 - $11,125,835,068
2014 - $10,359,575,749
2013 - $10,922,051,943
2012 - $10,822,806,722
2011 - $10,173,621,826
2010 - $10,566,830,616
The highest number was only two years ago in 2018. And from 2010 to 2019 is a net increase of $754 million
Let's see your numbers (and by numbers --not opinions-- but those digits on the right-hand num-pad side of your keyboard)
bass4funk
I did, but you didn’t want to read through them.
I never deflect on any topic.
https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/the-slow-death-of-hollywood
Again, the industry is slowly going in the dumps and I for one will not be weeping for it’s much needed demise.
Covid is one reason, but the decline started happening way before this virus was unleashed.
Overwhelming that is one of the main reasons for the decline.
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/08/hollywood-movies-no-longer-king-1234579572/
Once again, Hollyweird is on its dying legs and gone of the days of old when Hollywood mattered and where most celebs minded their own business.
lostrune2
Just write the year and the number in the source - that's all I'm looking for (I'm not looking for paragraphs)
Heck, just the number is fine; we already know the year (4 years ago is 2016). So just give us the number - no need to write anything else
He talked about 1985 - here's the total box office of 1985
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/
1985 - $3,041,480,248 ($7,307,014,963 adjusted for inflation)
He talked about 2009 - the total box office of 2009 is $10,590,200,693
Both are still below all of the years from 2010 to 2019
He may be talking about how each individual movie is not making as much money as before, but the biggest tentpole movies are making even more money now that they're covering for the rest - such that the total box office now is more than decades ago
Then explain 2018 - that's only 2 years ago, and it's the highest the industry has ever had
2018 - $11,889,341,443
And yet, people still go to the movies, even if they don't like the movies as much. And the box office numbers in the last decade bear that out
And as the studies have shown:
"Yes, Young People Still Go to the Movies: Report Finds 18-24 Is Biggest Moviegoing Segment"
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/08/young-people-millenials-movie-ticket-sales-1202166084/
"New Study Shows That Millennials Are Still Interested in Going to the Movies" (Ages 25-40)
https://filmschoolrejects.com/new-study-shows-millennials-still-interested-going-movies/
The most simplistic take from that is - their tastes are different than yours. You may not like the new movies as much, but those younger generations that grew up with comic books in the library and electronic gadgets in their rooms - they don't mind watching movies with superheroes or CG graphics-laden sci-fi adventures. So they continue to watch movies
People say it's the end of the movies every year, each year for the last 20 years. Sometimes they may seem right when the total box office goes down, but then a year or two later, the box office goes back up again. Again, here's the US domestic box office for the last decade. Explain this:
2019 - $11,320,874,529
2018 - $11,889,341,443
2017 - $11,072,815,067
2016 - $11,377,066,920
2015 - $11,125,835,068
2014 - $10,359,575,749
2013 - $10,922,051,943
2012 - $10,822,806,722
2011 - $10,173,621,826
2010 - $10,566,830,616
If you can't explain that, then I dunno how those numbers can be denied
Here's another fact - the Percentage of the US Population that went to the Cinema on Average, Weekly, has been on ~10% standstill since 1964 (that's about when TVs really became in every household, and when the real decline bottomed out - we're never gonna go back to those pre-TV days):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_of_the_US_Population_that_went_to_the_Cinema_on_Average%2C_Weekly%2C_1930-2000.png
And here's another fact - streaming is booming! Even people don't go see movies in theaters, they still see those movies anyway. Netflix and Hulu continue to grow. Disney Plus has now over 80 million subscribers in just a year. Other studios are getting in on the gig. (Yes, streaming includes series too, but still Hollywood productions.) If people really don't like those Hollywood productions, they wouldn't see them in streaming neither, and streaming wouldn't be booming as it is nowadays.
bass4funk
I did.
Yes, but not enough to pull Hollywood out of the slump that it’s in and with the virus still lurking around 2021 probably won’t fair as well either, at least not where Hollywood would see the numbers they were once used to.
Yes, they go, but they’re not flooding the theaters and as I have stated before, Hollywood also has a problem with sticking their nose too deep into politics and the vast majority of people don’t want politics injected into their movies.
https://screenrant.com/reasons-why-people-dont-go-to-the-movies-anymore-box-office/
That was never the argument what I like or don’t like, my argument specifically was about the slow decline of Hollywood.
Of course people will still be watching movies for a very long time, however, the industry as it now stands is showing a deep decline in once loyal patronage.
https://stephenfollows.com/regaining-young-cinema-audiences/
https://www.whitehutchinson.com/news/lenews/2019/february/article105.shtml