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'Oppenheimer' to get theatrical release in Japan, after all

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Only a bit late just like other movie that enter Japan market.

-10 ( +13 / -23 )

 ...the decision was made, “following months of thoughtful dialogue...

That's because Japan feels it needs to monopolize the global A-bomb narrative. For example, Japanese audiences are likely to be surprised, if not confused, when confronted by the fact that the bomb was originally developed to use against Germany.

-21 ( +26 / -47 )

Without the nukes, 5 to 10 million Japanese would have died in the Operation Downfall, the US invasion of Japanese mainland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties

*A study done for Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that invading Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and *five to ten million Japanese fatalities.

-16 ( +24 / -40 )

That's because Japan feels it needs to monopolize the global A-bomb narrative 

You mean more victim card playing?  

The release is likely to be so poorly publicised, leading to a short run so it can be declared a flop here.

-7 ( +20 / -27 )

Watch Oppenheimer before Godzilla Minus One. Nice pairing.

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In a statement, Bitters End wrote that the decision was made, “following months of thoughtful dialogue associated with the subject matter and acknowledging the particular sensitivity for us Japanese.”

If someone could harness the inertial force of Japan Inc. management class burning time and making money they would have a nifry meq energy source.

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

Sooner or later it happens...

Anyway, go to see the movie about the romanticization of one of the most heinous war crimes in history..

Absolutely NO THANKS!!..

-23 ( +8 / -31 )

This delay reminds me so much of the release of “The Cove” (Academy Award, Best Documentary, 2010).

The film was eventually shown at a small theater in Shibuya. As I stood in line outside the building with about 100 others waiting for ticket sales to begin for the first showing, a few people in suits used small hand-held video cameras (remember those?) to capture video of the people in line. Very weird!

Sad to see this weirdness continuing.

“Japan’s Far Right Blocks Screenings of ‘The Cove’,” https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/world/asia/19dolphins.html

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@JeffLee

The fact that “the bomb was originally developed to use against Germany” is well known in Japan. It was agreed between Roosevelt and Churchill, months before Germany’s surrender, that the bomb should be used against the Japanese 

https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-documents/hyde-park-aide-memoire/

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is well known in Japan.

I think you will find that very little about WWII is "well known in Japan," except the conclusion. In fact, in my 40 years here less and less is actually known while the official narrative to bolster the post-war notion of Japan as inherently peaceful becomes more and more disseminated.

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This will be a big hit in Japan as most people in Japan have studied history and know a lot about the war. It will be interesting to see it from the other side.

-6 ( +9 / -15 )

This will be a big hit in Japan as most people in Japan have studied history and know a lot about the war.

@japantime

You're being ironic, right?

-5 ( +17 / -22 )

no worries, Japan already have the ability to make his own nuclear bomb now. Everyone already turn the page and move on, so no need to get too emotional on it

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

...making over $950 million... it had been a lingering question whether it would ever get a theatrical release in Japan.

Only lingering until Barbie faded from the picture and Oppie's ker-ching! became too loud to ignore and the distributors smelled the Yen before the coffee.

Without the nukes, 5 to 10 million Japanese would have died in the Operation Downfall, the US invasion of Japanese mainland.

You've been watching too many Gaza videos, perhaps? The Japanese people were worn out. Civilians would not have formed resistance groups against the US Army any more than the German civilian population did. After Okinawa Japan was kaputt.

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The movie is not very good.

It’s a dark, loud (as in bring cotton or earplugs) too long, dreadful background music thing that leaves you annoyed that you paid to see it.

Think “Reds,” but worse.

Hey, it was either Barbie or it.

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You've been watching too many Gaza videos, perhaps? The Japanese people were worn out. Civilians would not have formed resistance groups against the US Army any more than the German civilian population did. After Okinawa Japan was kaputt.

The Japanese were totally brainwashed much more so than the Germans. Banzai Cliff in Saipan a case in point not to mention the kamizaze’s.

On top of that Japan had a brutal secret police force that ensured everyone toed the line.

There is no way they would have rolled over after Okinawa fell.

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the bomb was originally developed to use against Germany” is well known in Japan

Mmm, I've met some Japanese people (mostly women) who told me they don't understand why US just dropped the bombs on their land for absolutely no reason, and that Japan never did anything wrong to anyone during the war. I was like like what!?

-1 ( +15 / -16 )

If you want some nuclear-themed entertainment, Chernobyl, the HBO thing from 2019, is pretty good. I had flu recently and finally got round to watching it.

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Thats OK. The movie was released weeks ago on Netflix anyways and is on Blu-ray already. As usually, to little to late, just like always happening with the movies in Japan.

And btw, the Japanese are not thought of any of their atrocities during WW1 and WW2 at school, so it's very natural and normal here to think themselves as innocent victims during that time. Unbelievable, right?

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I can see the unhinged Japanese right wing posts now

”I won’t see a movie that glorifies the bombing of our country, of which we were the only ones that are victims “

or

”why didn’t they focus on us getting bombed? We need to tell the world we were bombed”

guarantee most people still don’t realize the movie isn’t about that but will somehow complain. Hence it’s lengthy delay

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There is no way they would have rolled over after Okinawa fell.

How long have you lived in Japan? The Japanese people were the same in 1945 as they are today: after centuries of living under the military rule of the samurai class the peasantry had all their revolutionary fire and spirit of resistance knocked out of them. After all the devastation and destruction American incendiary bombing Japanese cities were starting to look like Gaza and the civilian population was at the end of its tether. Game Over! Except Truman & co just had to test their "Little Boy" and "Fat Man" after going to all that expense, plus demonstrating the superiority of American arms and so signalling to the Soviets to keep their paws off Hokkaido.

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Doubt there will be much of an audience here for a nationalistic Hollywood movie celebrating the mass murder of civilians.

Especially tasteless now given the carnage in Ukraine and the Middle East.

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

If you want some nuclear-themed entertainment, Chernobyl, the HBO thing from 2019, is pretty good. I had flu recently and finally got round to watching it.

Yeah it’s great I’ve watched it a couple of times now

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As with all movies, if you aren't interested or you are offended by the content, don't go and watch it. If nobody does this, the film will be removed from theaters quickly, problem solved.

I haven't see this movie, but probably will at some point. I took a semester history class at University about the program, the choices and the worries. There are lots of documents where all sorts of concerns about actually using nuclear weapons on anyone was considered up the entire chain, including President Truman. In the end, Truman decided that he couldn't see the wife/mother of the military dead in Japan if he didn't use all means necessary to end the war ASAP. He was elected to represent America, not Japan.

More movies: Strategic Air Command (1955) On the Beach (1959) Fail Safe (1964)

We haven't seen Barbie. Don't know if we will.

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@Aurelius

It's too difficult to say what might or might not have happened in a justification argument

If Japan didn't surrender on August 15th 1945 and the war dragged into 1946, we would be having North Japan and South Japan today, since the Soviet Union was ready to invade Hokkaido and Northern Honshu and the battles were already taking place in the Southern Kurils islands and this is why Japan is complaining about the return of Southern Kurils to this day.

Worse, the Soviet Union could have simply annexed its occupied part of Japan and Japan's border with Russia would be somewhere around Fukushima.

So from Japanese perspective, the nukes were the saviors of Japan, since it stopped the Soviet invasion at the Southern Kurils and not Hokkaido/Northern Honshu.

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u_s__reamerToday 10:36 am JST

There is no way they would have rolled over after Okinawa fell.

> How long have you lived in Japan? The Japanese people were the same in 1945 as they are today: after centuries of living under the military rule of the samurai class the peasantry had all their revolutionary fire and spirit of resistance knocked out of them. After all the devastation and destruction American incendiary bombing Japanese cities were starting to look like Gaza and the civilian population was at the end of its tether. Game Over! Except Truman & co just had to test their "Little Boy" and "Fat Man" after going to all that expense, plus demonstrating the superiority of American arms and so signalling to the Soviets to keep their paws off Hokkaido.

Except that it wasn't up to the civilian population to make that decision to surrender. The military was in charge of the country, had been telling the population for years that the country was superior, the emperor was a deity, and so on. Even after the first bombing, the stubbornness of the leaders prevented them from giving an unconditional surrender. They would not have rolled over after Okinawa fell. 5hey were willing to sacrifice all of the people.

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FINALLY! YES! This is very important for Japanese. It's not the scenes of destruction I crave. No, that is not why I want to see this movie. If I want scenes of destruction, I can watch Godzilla: Minus One.

Not every American agrees with the decision made by the U.S government. I hope there is some truth to the Oppenheimer story. I haven't seen it. I can't read all the comments here for fear of spoilers.

I just feel that we all deserve the truth! We know the major points on the timeline leading to the end of the war. What we don't know is how select individuals felt.

I just hope it's accurate about the main character. We all know Hollywood likes "based on a true story". I hope Christopher Nolan gave Oppenheimer a true story and didn't fill in the blanks for ticket sales.

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Good movies, whatever your political stance might be, should be shown.

God knows, there's a dearth of good movies being made in Hollywood as it is.

Glad this is finally getting a theatrical release. Don't need govt. quasi censorship.

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Redtail SwiftToday 11:24 am JST

Not every American agrees with the decision made by the U.S government.

True, it isn't 100% but it is darn near close to it, particularly when you speak to Americans alive at the time. Oppenheimer expressed no reservations about Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

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JapantimeToday 08:09 am JST

This will be a big hit in Japan as most people in Japan have studied history and know a lot about the war.

Thanks for the good laugh.

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movie is crap so i dont mind at all...

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

I watched it with my Japanese spouse. We thought it was a good movie but not a great one. We were happy there were no scenes of the bombings and after affects.

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Except that it wasn't up to the civilian population to make that decision to surrender. The military was in charge of the country, had been telling the population for years that the country was superior, the emperor was a deity, and so on. Even after the first bombing, the stubbornness of the leaders prevented them from giving an unconditional surrender. They would not have rolled over after Okinawa fell. 5hey were willing to sacrifice all of the people.

Nailed it.

-11 ( +7 / -18 )

How long have you lived in Japan? The Japanese people were the same in 1945 as they are today: after centuries of living under the military rule of the samurai class the peasantry had all their revolutionary fire and spirit of resistance knocked out of them. 

How do you know that?

Were you here in 1945?

The Japanese were totally brainwashed at that time hence the suicide bombings and so forth.

The military and secret police ruled Japan with a fist and thought its citizens to be expendable

In addition the Japanese tendency to be obedient to authorities, which we can still see today with the lack of protests regarding the government, meant that there wasn’t a chance they would surrender once the first marine division landed on the mainland

-14 ( +6 / -20 )

Pearl Harbor Day was covered in the US. Mostly by 1 or 2 people still alive visiting the place all their brothers died. OTOH, the US political leaders (FDR) were pushing Japan into a corner in 1940-1941 trying to get the US pulled into the war. Average Americans didn't want to become involved. After all, there were oceans between America and all the war fronts. The US political leaders knew that Europe would fall and the Nazis would become stronger if we weren't openly involved. The fastest way for that to happen was to get Japan to do something warlike against the US. Goal achieved.

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Wonder if it will be exactly the same length as the version showed outside Japan once the censors have finished with it.

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theFuToday 12:34 pm JST

Respectfully, the US didn't force Japan to invade China. If they were dependent on the US or other colonial powers, they should have taken into account whether they could weather sanctions before doing that.

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

It would be truly fascinating to test those, so far, 18 people who downvoted "I think you will find that very little about WWII is "well known in Japan," except the conclusion," to even see what they really know just about the facts. As for their opinion, well, once again it is not presented here. Strangely.

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TokyoLivingToday  07:28 am JST

Sooner or later it happens...

Anyway, go to see the movie about the romanticization of one of the most heinous war crimes in history..

Absolutely NO THANKS!!..

Why didn't you surrender? It was forgone conclusion that they couldn't win the war by that point. Even top Japanese military brass knew it was over. No navy, no air force. Teenagers flying Kamikazi planes. No resources as supply chains were cut. Even after the first bomb, Japan wouldn't surrender and decided to sacrifice civilians whether to another bomb or land invasion. The Japanese government and military are just as responsible and should be held accountable for their decisions. They were willing to have old men, farmers, women and children fight and die for an unwinnable war.

-10 ( +7 / -17 )

Well, if it isn't "famous," Japan doesn't bring it over.

I guess it just got "famous" enough to make it.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

MilesTegToday  01:41 pm JST

Considering Japan started the war with a cowardly sneak attack on Pearl Harbour ...

Can't argue with what you said otherwise, but you know the War didn't start in 1941, right?

Hindsight is 20-20, which is why historical dilettantes of various stripes have numerous opinions as to when World War II “really” began—even amid World War I, during which the Russian Revolution broke out in 1917 [...] Others say that the harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles, finalized in 1919, assured that an aggrieved Germany would inevitably resume the “War to End All Wars.” Some say the first act of World War II was Japan’s 1931 invasion of Manchuria in blatant defiance of the League of Nations, while similar claims are made of Italy’s 1935 invasion of Ethiopia. Some might cite 1936 for Adolf Hitler’s risky but successful occupation of the Rhineland combined with the Spanish Civil War, while others might bring up Japan’s 1937 invasion of China. Notwithstanding all such claims, the official date for the start of World War II remains September 1, 1939, when Hitler invaded Poland. As for the United States’ official involvement in the European war, while President Franklin D. Roosevelt had long been seeking a way to override American isolationist sentiment to go to war against Hitler, he saved FDR the trouble when, after some days of consideration, he decided to honor his alliance commitment to Japan and declare war on the United States on December 11, 1941—after which the U.S. Congress promptly reciprocated.

historynet.com

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WandoraToday  02:45 pm JST

MilesTegToday  01:41 pm JST

Considering Japan started the war with a cowardly sneak attack on Pearl Harbour ...

Can't argue with what you said otherwise, but you know the War didn't start in 1941, right?

Hindsight is 20-20, which is why historical dilettantes of various stripes have numerous opinions as to when World War II “really” began—even amid World War I, during which the Russian Revolution broke out in 1917 [...] Others say that the harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles, finalized in 1919, assured that an aggrieved Germany would inevitably resume the “War to End All Wars.” Some say the first act of World War II was Japan’s 1931 invasion of Manchuria in blatant defiance of the League of Nations, while similar claims are made of Italy’s 1935 invasion of Ethiopia. Some might cite 1936 for Adolf Hitler’s risky but successful occupation of the Rhineland combined with the Spanish Civil War, while others might bring up Japan’s 1937 invasion of China. Notwithstanding all such claims, the official date for the start of World War II remains September 1, 1939, when Hitler invaded Poland. As for the United States’ official involvement in the European war, while President Franklin D. Roosevelt had long been seeking a way to override American isolationist sentiment to go to war against Hitler, he saved FDR the trouble when, after some days of consideration, he decided to honor his alliance commitment to Japan and declare war on the United States on December 11, 1941—after which the U.S. Congress promptly reciprocated.

historynet.com

I'm not disputing any of that but I was specifically referring to the US' declaration of war against Japan in the Pacific War and what precipitated that decision was the surprise attack on Pearl Harbour. The US didn't want to fight a war on two fronts but they really didn't have a choice after Pearl Harbour.

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Anyone saying the bomb was justified or a good thing please come to Hiroshima or go to Nagasaki and visit the peace parks

Japan undoubtedly committed many atrocities yet that doesn't justify destroying two cities and killing hundreds of thousands

Not to mention the horrific illnesses that killed thousands more years later.

Regarding the movie I like Nolan so I'll watch it on Netflix eventually

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Is Japan afraid of showing history now?

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

Have downloaded it,but will wait now for big screen release.

Christopher Nolan's films are all worth watching, whatever your standpoint.

It's healthy to see historical events from varying perspectives,for example Clint Eastwood's 'Postcards from Iwojima' and 'Flags of our Fathers'.

Lucky enough to have my wife's grandmother still alive to talk to her brother and husband,who were sent abroad during the Second World War,and to have had my grandfathers reluctantly talk about their experiences as a Desert Rat,and saboteur in Norway respectively.

Also my grandmothers,who were liberated in a perverse sense by the men's absence,so that they were able to take on responsibilities traditionally restricted to males.

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I watched it with my daughter. I can't say it in any way glorified the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It very much focused on Oppenheimer's role and relationships. A good chunk of the movie focused on the McCarthy era security hearing. I think I heard the word "communist" far more often than I heard the words "Japan" or "Japanese". (I may go back and actually count how often each was used.) I think it illustrated the differences between scientists, the military, and politicians. There was a lot of time jumping which confused me a little.

I'm not a great fan of movies that condense someone's life into a few hours. My daughter, on the other hand, enjoyed it and said it prompted her to go and check various things about the events. I'd say it's worth watching.

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I just feel that we all deserve the truth! 

Yes, the truth... from an USA movie ^o^

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Well, I'm pleased that I haven't found the time to watch my UHD disc that came from the US on release. I will defintely be going to the Cinema. Luxury seats and all.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Anyway, go to see the movie about the romanticization of one of the most heinous war crimes in history..

Lol, this is the quickest way to spot someone who doesn't know about the movie

The Japan bombing is hardly in the movie

The movie is about Oppenheimer

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Not as good a movie as all the hype, But certainly way too long.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Respectfully, the US didn't force Japan to invade China. If they were dependent on the US or other colonial powers, they should have taken into account whether they could weather sanctions before doing that.

Invading China didn't bring the USA into the war. Without the US in the war, the Manhattan project would never have been funded. Japan may still "own" lots of Asia and the Nazis would be running N. Africa and all of Europe.

If Japan and Germany had time after their immediate conquests to relax and refit, they would have come to the Americas and quite possibly split both continents there.

The world would be vastly different if people didn't recognize evil and confront it. The world still has evil in it. It is our duty to prevent expansion of evil, no matter what it costs.

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I should say "Imperial Japan" in the post above to differentiate from current Japan political system.

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AureliusDec. 8  07:16 am JST

This announcement of the Oppenheimer movie release in Japan will have both positive and negative influences on Japanese society and Japan's so called pacifist constitution and the hosting of U.S Military in Japan

Iam curious if the movie translations are accurate

The horrific atrocities of war must be remembered and discussed unfortunately

I cannot confirm or deny or support or justify the actions of either japan or the United States during or prior to ww2

BION we still have some ignoramuses in the USA who cheer Hiroshima and Nagasaki as 'getting back at dem damn J***'. An excuse to hate Japanese people and they're too dumb to realize just how horrible the A-bombs truly are.

Ronald Reagan himself said it 40 years ago that a nuclear war is unwinnable and must never be fought. Japan now is a peaceful democracy, the fascist regime they had during WW2 is gone.

The Oppenheimer movie should be taken as a historical docu drama. If anybody wants to use it as a vehicle for nationalistic/jingoistic hatred, that's their problem from the very beginning. I've seen 'Tora! Tora! Tora!' on TV as a kid and I don't hate Japanese. That movie was set in 1941. This is 2023.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

It’s an excellent film that is focused on Oppenheimer not Japan.

The message is actually anti nuclear war but that obviously took the Japanese oyajis a long long time to figure out

4 ( +5 / -1 )

It's an incredible bit of cinema and deserves to be watched by everyone. Especially the Japanese

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