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Identity politics has led to a pecking order of oppression of who has been the most victimized.

It helps nobody.

At the end of the day, we're all victims of a lack of empathy and the failure of people to understand that all human life is sacred.

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Honestly I think she was trying to make a really good point, that it wasn't just only Jews who were persecuted during the Holocaust so it wasn't ONLY about race. Her delivery was just off and people took it as her saying it wasn't about race.

That and she said it on The View. I'd imagine their viewer base aren't the best when it comes to thinking critically.

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The use of the terms Race, Racist, Racism is now firmly entrenched, but it is erroneously applied.

Bigotry, Prejudice, Discrimination, Hatred, Fanaticism, Persecution ...etc based on a person's ethnicity is what is meant.

The Jewish population is not a separate "race", but rather a unique culture with it's own values, customs, mores, religious beliefs etc.

The holocaust was firmly aimed at Jews, but in general it was direct fanatical hatred against anyone outside the Aryan Realm in particular those of different ethnicities, moral beliefs, political ideologies and lifestyles - Homosexuals, Roma, Russians, Catholics, Slavs, Leftists, Jehovah Witnesses etc.

It is estimated that the total number of concentration camp deaths was about 11 million with 40% being non Jewish.

Man's inhumanity to Man.

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Poor Whoopi. Let's all take a knee. Isn't calling yourself Goldberg the verbal equivalent of blackface anyway?

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The world is full of brilliant women and none of them are on 'The View.'

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Outrage not needed. Just a bit of sympathy for a high school dropout who is in waaaay over her head when trying to discuss complicated historical issues. Or any complicated issues for that matter. Good comedian but she is like so many in the entertainment business, she has confused popularity with intelligence.

It IS weird that she has spent her professional career under a Jewish name when she is in no part Jewish. Touch of cultural appropriation perhaps?

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I have watched this show a few times. I don't understand why anyone would watch it. If you do like it, I wish someone would tell me why. Whoopi Goldberg is amazingly irritating in her comments just like this episode as well.

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She doubled down on her comments on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert and she's now been suspended from the View. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney Inc. is out for blood and Whoopi doesn't get a pass on this one.

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Yrrl....

There is a big difference between "selling out" and selling out to save YOUR life and the lives of your family.

As there is a big difference between recognizing the Holocaust and using the Holocaust to justify the occupation of the land of others.

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Reading just the headline, my immediate thought was, ‘Oh dear Whoopi….’

Then I read the transcript of the actual conversation, and I’m not so sure that she said anything out of line.

 “I’m surprised that’s what made you uncomfortable, the fact that there was some nudity. I mean, it’s about the Holocaust, the killing of six million people, but that didn’t bother you? If you’re going to do this, then let’s be truthful about it. Because the Holocaust isn’t about race. No, it’s not about race.”

She’s basically right, though her numbers are off. The unsettling thing about the book is not the ‘nudity’ or the few naughty words it contains; it’s the content, the disgusting reality that one group of people took it upon themselves to attempt to eradicate another group of people/several other groups of people as completely as possible. Race comes into it only in as much as the perpetrators defined themselves as a master race; the people they set out to exterminate were of several races and ethnicities, though yes roughly half of them were Jews. Which then raises the question of whether Jewishness is a race. An ethnic group, yes; a race, I don’t think so.

War is always about man’s inhumanity to man. Even if you insist that the Holocaust was about race, racism is simply one aspect of man’s inhumanity to man.

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itsonlyrocknrollToday  12:26 pm JST

To realize, comprehend how the final solution results in holocaust.

An understanding of The Nuremberg Race Laws

Now we read or are told a lot about The Nuremberg laws, but what seems to be often omitted in most cases is this.

The "Law" was announced on the 15th of September 1935 and affected those of Jewish ancestry.

But what we rarely are told is that by The 24th of November 1935 the laws were expanded to include other so-called inferior "races" such as Romani, Black, (eventually others) but the Nuremberg laws were not the only laws on the books that got one deported to concentration camps, as pointed out previously, there were laws that targeted religions, political groups, sexual orientation and behavior, etc...

Again we often hear 6 million Jews, Nuremberg laws, etc... Without doing a search, how many hear can tell us the number of Romani killed (yes I do know), homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, Slavs, etc..

Who hear without searching can name the laws that permitted the deportation, internment, extermination of these other not mentioned under the Nuremberg laws?

How many can tell us the number of people with disabilities that were "euthanized" and under what laws or programs was this carried out under?

This Whoopi Goldberg situation points to a very big problem, any attempt at pointing at the other 6 million killed by the Nazi is immediately interrupted, stopped, attacked, etc... As if doing so is a denial or diminishment of the death of the 6 million Jews.

This is not a one or the other but certain powers see it that way.

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Not Whoopi’s first bit of stupidity. The idea of having former-lover and partner in crime Ted Danson wear blackface to a a major Hollywood function was another gross idea by Whoopi.

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What is 'race' anyway? I thought it has been debunked as not a thing since a man in Africa could have more genetic similarities to a Japanese man than the Japanese man's neighbour in Tokyo.

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You know the censorship is getting bad when they go after black, lesbian women - the previously most powerful minority.

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These conversations of the Holocaust (like the Maus novel situation) are starting to pop up to highlight any double standards...now that CRT is a hot-topic.

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Everything about Nazi Germany and about the targeting of the Jews, whilst mainly correct, The Nazi's looked upon many peoples in eastern Europe, The Slavs, the Serbs, the Russians, as sub-human, not worthy of life. Millions of non Jewish people were murdered during WW2 due to their racial policies. Race is not about skin colour but about ideology. They were not alone.  Some historical estimates of the number of deaths which resulted from Japanese war crimes range from 3 to 14 million through massacre, human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor that was either directly perpetrated or condoned by the Japanese military and government. Many other empirical countries thru history have led to millions of deaths. It is estimated that nearly 30 million Indian people starved to death due solely to British rule. The Belgium monarchy, King Leopold II, was responsible for an estimated 10 million Congolese dying. The list could be almost never ending. Mans inhumanity knows no bounds.

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Whoopi says dumb things from time to time, but let's give her a pass on this, and focus on what's important in her message.

Yep, it's astonishing that the censoring of Maus and the rise of anti-Semitism around the world is suddenly on the backburner and Whoopi's in the dock for some rather innocuous comments.

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Do you ever get the feeling that all of these celebrities who put both feet in their mouths and say stupid things just want the attention and the chance to blabber all over themselves about how politically incorrect they were to have said what they said?

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Yrral...

Kipling, Anne Frank did not sell out nobody, her family was sold-out by a Jewish notary

Exactly... The notary had the choice of selling out the Franks or his own family.

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Is anyone really surprised ?

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REF: Final Statement in Article Above:

Absolutely, hire a Jew. If you're about to appoint a major Political Figure for being a particular color, why not hire a Talk Show Host based on their Religion ?

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YrralToday  07:53 am JST

Kipling, Anne Frank did not sell out nobody, her family was sold-out by a Jewish notary ,even Imperial Japan participating in Holocaust is documentary Google Japan Hitler Holocaust Ties

Germany supported and armed the Republic of China during the 1937 Sino-Japanese War. This did not end until the Tripartite Pact. After which efforts to persecute Jews in China were thwarted by the Japanese, who even took in tens of thousands of Jews into Japan. There were some 40,000 Jews in Manchuria all of whom survived the war, unlike those in Europe. The relationship between Israel and Japan to his day is strongly founded on Japan's policy during WWII. Don't be misguided by obvious anti-Japan propaganda like from Ricky Law.

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Jews are not the only victims of racism. Neither are Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, whatever. No ethnic group or nationality has a monopoly on being victimized. And it's simply wrong to justify racism towards others because of having victimized in the past.

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If there is any doubt about Holocausts intentions then Reinhard Heydrich and Adolf Eichmann final solution to the Jewish question. enacted at the Wannsee Conference should dispel all doubt.

Wannsee conference and the "final solution"

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/wannsee-conference-and-the-final-solution

Whoopi Goldberg comment have been picked up, if, all and sundry then shout Whoopi Goldberg down how will we ever debate or learn from histories atrocities?

Heck one slip of the tongue and you are out.

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To realize, comprehend how the final solution results in holocaust.

An understanding of The Nuremberg Race Laws

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nuremberg-laws

Despite the persistent claims of Nazi ideology, there was no scientifically valid basis to define Jews as a race.

Nazi legislators looked therefore to family genealogy to define race.

People with three or more grandparents born into the Jewish religious community were Jews by law.

Grandparents born into a Jewish religious community were considered “racially” Jewish. Their “racial” status passed to their children and grandchildren. Under the law, Jews in Germany were not citizens but “subjects" of the state.

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Outrage not needed. Just a bit of sympathy for a high school dropout who is in waaaay over her head when trying to discuss complicated historical issues. 

In a nutshell! Much ado about nothing from bad faith folks who feign outrage to score political points. Whoopi's ignorance of history, an endemic American failing, but no crime, is an easy target for malignant Magas. At least, she gets brownie points for not claiming George Washington's seized any airfields.

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Might and Magic

@letsberealisticToday

What is 'race' anyway?

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The context of Whoopi Goldberg are clearly stated in the above article, 5th paragraph down.

Stated as an opinion within the confines of a TV studio debate.

On “The View” Monday, Goldberg, who is Black, had expressed surprise that some Tennessee school board members were uncomfortable about nudity in “Maus.”

“I mean, it’s about the Holocaust, the killing of 6 million people, but that didn’t bother you?” she said. “If you’re going to do this, then let’s be truthful about it. Because the Holocaust isn’t about race. No, it’s not about race.”

These two paragraphs have been subject to interpretation.

Whoopi Goldberg’s Holocaust comments/opinion clearly illustrates how Jews/Judaism cannot be shoehorned into conceptual racial political characterization

The Nazis wanted to create a form of racial utopia. to espouse a Germanic racial superiority.

Radical Darwinism, through eugenics and sterilization and finally mass murder.

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Whoopi was suspended while Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity keep on ranting lies!!!

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What is 'race' anyway? I thought it has been debunked as not a thing since a man in Africa could have more genetic similarities to a Japanese man than the Japanese man's neighbour in Tokyo.

Exactly! The best way to sidestep this quagmire is to realise that 'race' is a social construct, and racist societies have always come up against this whenever they try to define someone's race. DNA testing has shown what societies have generally suspected down the centuries, which is that we are all more or less delicious cocktails of genetic material from a rainbow of sources and locations. It is racist regimes, whether historically in the US where it was supposed to be necessary to say if someone was 'really' 'black' or 'white', or Nazi Germany where they elaborated a whole racist heirarchy, that have perpetuated the fiction you can distinguish people by race.

Interesting too that it seems to be people who are most conflicted by their identity who cling the most desperately to the notion of race, whereas if you are comfortable in your skin, whatever 'colour' you might describe it as - black, brown, dark, copper, bronze, tan, light, beige, pink, off-white, white - you're quite happy to send off that DNA test and find all sorts of curious roots in there. Me, I'm a happy mongrel.

It's a shame that Whoopi's very important point that the nudity in 'Maus' depicts masses of people at the gas chamber, so it's kind of key to the story, yet the yahoos in ?Tennessee are clutching their pearls and locking up their children, and taking the excuse to bury this very important story. If you haven't read/seen it, it's well worth doing so, and passing it on to others, as the last of the Holocaust generation dies out, this important testimony of Art Spieglemann's father is a powerful way to learn the truth of what happened.

I've had a CD copy of 'Maus' for Mac that I've been trying to rehome for ages - perhaps now's the time to have another go....!

Whoopi says dumb things from time to time, but let's give her a pass on this, and focus on what's important in her message.

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What is 'race' anyway? I thought it has been debunked as not a thing since a man in Africa could have more genetic similarities to a Japanese man than the Japanese man's neighbour in Tokyo.

Exactly! The best way to sidestep this quagmire is to realise that 'race' is a social construct, and racist societies have always come up against this whenever they try to define someone's race. DNA testing has shown what societies have generally suspected down the centuries, which is that we are all more or less delicious cocktails of genetic material from a rainbow of sources and locations. It is racist regimes, whether historically in the US where it was supposed to be necessary to say if someone was 'really' 'black' or 'white', or Nazi Germany where they elaborated a whole racist heirarchy, that have perpetuated the fiction you can distinguish people by race.

Interesting too that it seems to be people who are most conflicted by their identity who cling the most desperately to the notion of race, whereas if you are comfortable in your skin, whatever 'colour' you might describe it as - black, brown, dark, copper, bronze, tan, light, beige, pink, off-white, white - you're quite happy to send off that DNA test and find all sorts of curious roots in there. Me, I'm a happy mongrel.

It's a shame that Whoopi's very important point that the nudity in 'Maus' depicts masses of people at the gas chamber, so it's kind of key to the story, yet the yahoos in ?Tennessee are clutching their pearls and locking up their children, and taking the excuse to bury this very important story. If you haven't read/seen it, it's well worth doing so, and passing it on to others, as the last of the Holocaust generation dies out, this important testimony of Art Spieglemann's father is a powerful way to learn the truth of what happened.

I've had a CD copy of 'Maus' for Mac that I've been trying to rehome for ages - perhaps now's the time to have another go....!

Whoopi says dumb things from time to time, but let's give her a pass on this, and focus on what's important in her message.

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What a stupid person!

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Her name is Caryn Johnson. Was there something cynical about her appropriation of a Jewish stage? And people are wondering if she is still getting her $96,000 per week pay during the two week suspension. $96,000 per week? Hollywood has lost its mind.

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please dont focus on the offensive things I said! please just focus on the subject that was being talked about!

Yeah, I would hope someone would fall for that obvious deflection too.

her bosses didnt, correctly. I notice they didnt say unpaid absence, so I wonder about if she is still getting her obsence $96,000 per week to push racist tropes.

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Kipling, Anne Frank did not sell out nobody, her family was sold-out by a Jewish notary

Even the one person who makes this claim admits his evidence is only circumstantial. And even he admits that it was to save his own family. Is there anything else you want to tell us about Jews? Seems like you are holding back.

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If only she could look at slavery the same way. Hats off to her if she can .

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But Jewish people can be targeted for racism.

Not racism, but because of their religion. Your comment is akin to stating that "Muslims" are targeted because of their race, which is pure ignorance.

People need to learn the differences between the two, including posters here as well it seems!

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IIRC the Frank family was rumbled over the use of (forged?) food vouchers. The authorities noticed a discrepancy and came knocking at their residence, but I believe they were investigating fraud rather than Jews in hiding.

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Glad to see cancel Culture backfire on liberals if only for 2 weeks.

good to see even loudmouth race baiters have a line they can’t cross. Well this time.

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Antiquesaving, yes think Nazi Germany wanted to define and ultimately create a master race....

Victims of Hitler's plan for a master race

Blond hair, blue eyes: the Third Reich's sinister plan to boost the "master race" has left behind an emotionally charged legacy that lingers to this day.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/06/secondworldwar.germany

Any group that did not comply to this doctrine of racial hygiene and Judaism was a example.

The platform Whoopi Goldberg gave an honest open opinion, a TV program, was always in danger of the media misinterpreting Goldberg comments.

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The word race might be used differently in english but wouldn't it be weird to look at jews as a race? just as muslims or christians are not a race, they were of course targeted in horrific ways as a group, but as a race? maybe it was seen that way in the past but by todays definition of the word isn't what she is saying kind of correct even if what she is intending to say is wrong.

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Glad to see cancel Culture backfire on liberals if only for 2 weeks.

You have an entirely incorrect grasp of this situation.

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why the silence on Maus being banned?

because of the noise of the horrifically offensive comments that came from Whoopi Goldberg's mouth overshadowed that. She followed those up by doubling down and basically saying it doesnt matter when horrible things happen as long as they happened to white people

So its still not clear how I supposedly dodged something again simply for not noticing your random comment not addressed to me the first time.

Where is the dodge and where is the again?

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Shalom aleichem Whoopi.

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Well yes and No, a very large part was about "Race" or more precisely ethnicity, but a good part was also about religion and politics, as Jehovah witness, communist, homosexuals, etc... were also treated the same way.

What bothers me the most is the constant "6 million Jews were killed" narrative but barely pointing our the total of those killed in these camps was 12 million. That is anoth 6 million many unlike the Jews whom the majority of the western nations went out of their way to help, and find place for the survivors.

People like the "Roma" were immediately deported from one country to the next in particular by the western nations.

The human race's ability to be cruel to one another seems to have no limit.

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Whoopi's blooper was merely the result of her careless wording, her inarticulate expression, (she's no professor), as she explained with her later correction: when you boil racism down it IS fundamentally  "Man's inhumanity to Man", or, as the Romans used to say "Man is Wolf to Man".

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Best to read now the ‘origins’ of her ‘chosen’ stage name before the script is ‘revised and changes made’ in the coming days to salvage her image & career. (Such revisions of past choices and words worked for ABC/Disney’s Jimmy Kimmel’s ‘blackface’ scandal in 2020 and he came back ‘after a vacation’ like nothing happened.)

Sept. 16, 2011: “Is it cliché for a comedian to take her stage name from a practical-joke device? Not if you're Whoopi Goldberg. Born Caryn Elaine Johnson in 1955, the actress and The View co-host was less than shy about her bodily functions: "If you get a little gassy, you've got to let it go. And that's where the name came from."

“Whoopi's mother thought that a Jewish surname would get her further in Hollywood, so she replaced Johnson with Goldberg. And just like that, a thousand bad puns — and a very successful career — were born.”

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2093588_2093587_2093597,00.html

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From now, in typical Hollywood ‘fashion’ Whoopi will make a public showing of embracing Judaism (Feb 2, 2022) to salvage her career versus her past claims denying any belief in an specific faith or religion:

Feb 2, 2022: NY TimesMy mother didn’t name me Whoopi, but Goldberg is my surname, and it’s a part of my family and heritage.” “It’s exactly like being black,” the 66-year-old actress said to The Jewish Chronicle.I just know I’m Jewish,” Goldberg added further. Nothing comes naturally to me. Although I do not attend temple, I recall the holidays. It takes a lot of effort to practice religion, and it can be exhausting. So I keep it simple, and my relationship with God is pretty good. Goldberg’s mother reportedly thought her middle name, Johnson, wasn’t “Jewish enough” for her to succeed in Hollywood.

https://meaww.com/whoopi-goldberg-real-name-says-she-just-knows-she-is-jewish

Jan 6, 1997: “Goldberg, an Oscar-winner whose real name is Caryn Johnson, was quoted by the Reuters news service as saying, ''The true story is that my family is Jewish, Buddhist, Baptist and Catholic -- none of which I subscribe to, by the way, as I don't belive in man-made religions. . . So I took the last name from a Jewish ancestor.”

https://www.playbill.com/article/whoopi-tells-how-she-got-her-name-com-329074

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Antisemitism has never gone away and is unfortunately on the rise again from Russia to small town Tennessee.

Goldberg was wrong, was corrected by someone more knowledgeable and swiftly apologised. She deserves the backlash but has also inadvertently brought more attention to the censorship of ‘Maus’.

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This scandal has attracted far more attention than the original scandal she was commenting on.

‘Cancel culture’ censoring a book on the Holocaust, which until now the right wing are still unfortunately silent about.

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A sincere “Thank You” to both @browny1 and @Antiquesavings for the enlightening clarifications of what’s at issue here, in both the present and the unforgettable past: human’s inhumanity to other humans.

*- @9:04am: “Bigotry, Prejudice, Discrimination, Hatred, Fanaticism, Persecution ...etc based on a person's ethnicity is what is meant.*

The Jewish population is not a separate "race", but rather a unique culture with it's own values, customs, mores, religious beliefs etc.

The holocaust was firmly aimed at Jews, but in general it was direct fanatical hatred against anyone outside the Aryan Realm in particular those of different ethnicities, moral beliefs, political ideologies and lifestyles - Homosexuals, Roma, Russians, Catholics, Slavs, Leftists, Jehovah Witnesses etc.

It is estimated that the total number of concentration camp deaths was about 11 million with 40% being non Jewish.” -

*- @10:03am: “…a very large part was about "Race" or more precisely ethnicity, but a good part was also about religion and politics, as Jehovah witness, communist, homosexuals, etc... were also treated the same way... barely pointing our the total of those killed in these camps was 12 million. That is another 6 million, many unlike the Jews whom the majority of the western nations went out of their way to help, and find place for the survivors.*

People like the "Roma" were immediately deported from one country to the next in particular by the western nations.

The human race's ability to be cruel to one another seems to have no limit.” -

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because…….?

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Dodge what? No one asked me anything.

Just said I’m wrong and ran away.

what’s the question?

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The woman once again put her foot in her mouth, just revolting.

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> JayToday  09:42 am JST

The world is full of brilliant women and none of them are on 'The View.'

All women (and men) are brilliant; we just can't see it yet.

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Think before you speak! Better yet, shut up.

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Reading the transcript, it looks like she genuinely didn’t know what the Holocaust or the Nazis were about. It wasn’t like she just made one careless comment, she doubled down on it and argued the point - a point that, to use her own phrase, she was lamentably missing.

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You need to distinguish between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews before you can even begin to make a serious comment on whether Jews are a distinct race or not.

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Good. She’s a racist and should be fired.

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Identity politics has led to a pecking order of oppression of who has been the most victimized.

It helps nobody.

At the end of the day, we're all victims of a lack of empathy and the failure of people to understand that all human life is sacred.

”It’s about man’s inhumanity to other man”

”it’s how people treat each other”

That’s what she said.

‘All lives matter’ and ‘we’re all victims’ is deliberately belittling.

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Kipling, Anne Frank did not sell out nobody, her family was sold-out by a Jewish notary ,even Imperial Japan participating in Holocaust is documentary Google Japan Hitler Holocaust Ties

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Jews were not the only victim of the Holocaust, their were 10 of thousands Jews, that willingly serve Hitler, Anne Frank family were sold out by a Jewish man Google Anne Frank Jewish Sellout

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