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China bans men it sees as not masculine enough from TV

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That's why most of them don't want to live in that Paradise; they would rather stay in Japan yet post daily bashing the country relentlessly.

"China bans 'sissy men' from TV in new crackdown"

"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/xi-jinping-china-beijing-communist-party-chinese-b1913091.html"

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Well that’s not the sign of a strong, happy, healthy society. If your government needs to teach at school to love your country then there is something amiss with your government. What a bizarre place to live in. Not the best advertisement for others to willingly be absorbed into a nightmare of rules.

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Cultural Marxism is so bad, even the Communists have to ban it.

Effeminate men are not cultural Marxism - you are applying the situation of the West to Asia. And the Chinese government is not communist, but that's another discussion. They are authoritarian and corrupt.

Whatever your opinion on how men should appear (I don't care much either way - it's none of my business), this increasing heavy hand of the Xi regime is leading toward the same totalitarianism China saw under Mao. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. China had so much promise and hope just 15 years ago. It's a tragedy that Xi and his cronies will bring them (and perhaps the world) to destruction.

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I would like to hear from Matsuko on this.

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While I agree with the sentiment of effeminate men being bad for society, I don’t agree with the authoritarian measures to stifle it for a variety of reasons.

It is simply a symptom of what is really wrong with society and not the cause of it. Banning it won’t solve the problem.

Evolution (societal) should be left to run its course.

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Remember how back in the 70s & 80s everybody felt sorry for China and wanted to help China along economically, technologically, etc.? What the hell happened?! It's looks like a Frankenstein.

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closeted homosexual beer belly macho men up in the CCP

Maybe it’s not a good thing to quickly type whatever pops into your head.

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China is using a more sensible social strategy than the West's ultimately degenerative neo-liberalism though. They will be healthier in the long run.

Western governments need to get tougher with their domestic markets and put their own national interests first (like they used to)

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Somebody ought to draw Xi as a crossdresser and post online,in the west you can do this without reprecussion

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YrralToday  09:36 am JST

Somebody ought to draw Xi as a crossdresser and post online,in the west you can do this without reprecussion

Then do instead of just talking about it, do it.

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What they're doing isn't really a surprise. They feel threatened by anything or anyone who becomes just a bit too popular. Remember Falun Gong? They were actually promoted by the CCP at the beginning until they got too popular. That Uyghur business woman was touted as a role model until she got too successful and is now an enemy of the nation. Alibaba's Jack Ma was a shining example of China's success until, well, he got too successful.

What is also chilling is that now they're trying to compile a list of LGBT students at universities. Talk about going down the Russian road. The only person who's never too popular is the head of the CCP but I don't find a sack of potatoes to be very masculine.

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Fascist authoritarianism.

And some people in the the "west" are worried about the "commies" coming.

No. Intolerance in big controlled dollops is coming - just like China.

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3, 2, 1, for the ban of similar types on the Chinese internet. Can't have "those people" becoming popular. That could destroy the world!

/s

if that wasn't extremely clear.

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Harry Gatto as an American in America,I can raise unlimited hell against the action of a politician,such as Xi

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The Chinese know how powerful that screen is and how it shapes the mindset of the youth.

Cultural Marxism is so bad, even the Communists have to ban it.

Hear, hear. The exact same thought ran through my mind.

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Japan needs this.

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Effeminate men are not cultural Marxism 

It is absolutely cultural Marxism. Canonical Marxism is obsessed with power dynamics: specifically, that, chiefly material, dynamic between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.

Cultural Marxism retains classical Marxism's obsession with power dynamics and simply changes the nomenclature. Instead of the power dynamics between the peons and the fat cats, we have women and men (Feminism), gay and straight (Queer theory), black and white (Postcolonial now CRT), trans and non-trans (Gender theory). All this with a dash of Derrida and Foucault (a card-carrying French Communist).

So where do effeminate men fit in this? Queer theorists would say that feminising men is deconstructing the traditional heterosexual identity which they see as a construct to oppress gay men (see Communist power dynamics); Gender theorists on the other hand view gender as arbitrary and, once again, a tool to oppress the (this time) trans community.

Cultural Communism is very real, and if you do not believe me, grab a pencil and paper and trace the history of theories including a who's who. Many of the big names are / were out-and-out Communists, and those who weren't has Communist sympathies.

The man responsible for transforming Communism from a working class bottom-up movement to a middle class top-down movement? Antonio Gramsci.

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Might as well go back to the Mao days and have everyone wear green uniforms and every man are to only have 1 hairstyle - the crewcut... problem solved! no more feminine looking men

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China's government banned effeminate men

Jealous ?

So some men are more attractive to some women thus they choose to ban them. What about aim for women which find you attractive or change yourself to match the preferences of the women you want to be attracted to you ?

There are women which were, are and will be more attracted with men with a muscular built, confy built, slender built, ... which take care of their appearance, only have aftershave by the lavatory, think soap are evil, ... can talk fashion and aesthetic, are obsessed over their car, think of growling as communication, ... and so on.

And what is effeminate to begin with ? And how it is bad ?

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What the hell happened?! It's looks like a Frankenstein

You mean Frankenstein’s monster. Ask Victor, but he’s busy with Afghanistan now

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Cultural Communism is very real, and if you do not believe me,

(I assume you mean cultural Marxism...) Not saying it isn't real. But it isn't working that way in China. You are using the Western experience to describe the Chinese experience, the only commonality being effeminate men. Total different things happening.

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Bungle - sounds like Cultural Fascism in sheep's attire.

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If you can’t trust parents the population to do the right thing, your system created these untrustworthy people! So your system has failed. More rules more need for re-education camps. It’s a spiral CCP created.

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WobotToday 09:15 am JST

China is using a more sensible social strategy than the West's ultimately degenerative neo-liberalism though. They will be healthier in the long run.

You do not understand what neo-liberalism is, it is an economic paradigm...

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I wonder how is more of a threat to the Chinese people, effeminte men or corrupt party officials who are accumulating massive wealth secretly without any accountability? The CCP now obviously sees everything as an internal threat to its power.

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Oh dear

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Oh, bother.

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Good god. Imagine what these knuckle-draggers would have done to the UK pop revolution of the early 1960s. Or David Bowie. Or Prince.

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Yrral

I don't go to bars and I don't drink.

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Wonder woman .

Rhonda rousey.

Who thinks being feminine aint being strong?

So what do they think about masculine type women?

Has china been infiltrated by boy George and prince ?

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Another sector of the Chinese populous being turned against the CCP due to its restrictions, laws and attitudes of control. The CCP are their own greatest danger. Alienate your population and you will rule for much less than you thought you would.

Que the counter revolution in China.

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The edict calls for media to stop featuring "niangpao." That is, young men who dress fashionably and don't conform to male stereotypes. The CCP-owned Globaltimes describes such men as possessing "abnormal aesthetic tastes." I can't wait to see how they might use flashcards to educate and test the media masses: Normal! Abnormal! Abnormal! Normal! Abnormal! Can't tell . . . too much feathers, tape, latex, and glitter around the thong, turban and dyed armpit hair!

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well I guess there won’t be any Korean men showing on Chinese TV! Can’t say that I blame them.

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On a serious note, the Notice of the General Office of the State Administration of Radio and Television on Further Strengthening the Management of Art Programs and Their Personnel that was released on 2 September the Office of Radio, Film and Television is a facinating look into what the Chinese must endure. A few samples:

In order to further strengthen the management, strictly rectify the problems of artists' violation of laws and morals, chaos in the "rice circle", and a clear-cut stand to establish an industry atmosphere of loving the party and the country, advocating morality and advocating art, the relevant matters are hereby notified as follows:

**1. Resolutely resist illegal and unethical personnel. **Broadcasting and television organizations and online audio-visual platforms must strictly control the selection of program actors and guests, and insist on political literacy, moral conduct, artistic level, and social evaluation as selection criteria. Those who have incorrect political positions and who are alienated from the party and the country must not use it; those who violate laws and regulations and impact the bottom line of social fairness and justice must not be used; those who violate public order and good customs and who have lost morality in their words and deeds must not be used. **3. Resolutely resist pan-entertainment. **Strengthen cultural self-confidence, and vigorously promote Chinese excellent traditional culture, revolutionary culture, and advanced socialist culture. Establish the correct aesthetic orientation for the program, strictly control the selection of actors and guests, performance style, costume makeup, etc., and resolutely put an end to "girly guys" and other abnormal aesthetics. Resolutely resist the pan-entertainment tendencies such as hype to show off wealth and enjoyment, gossip privacy, negative hot spots, vulgar "net celebrities", and bottomless review of ugliness. **5. Effectively strengthen the management of employees. **Strictly implement the moderator’s certificate to work, and regulate the moderator’s participation in social activities and network information release. Strengthen the training of the political quality of employees, carry out in-depth education of Marxist views on news and literature, and always strengthen the people's position and stick to the people's feelings. Improve professional ethics, strengthen the construction of professional ethics, consciously resist the temptation of fame and wealth, must not use professional identity and personal popularity to seek improper benefits, consciously accept social supervision, and be a model of social ethics and a builder of positive energy.

http://www.nrta.gov.cn/art/2021/9/2/art_113_57756.html .

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Chinese government is made up of a bunch of insecure men's,that are psychological weak,that have to suppress others ,to feel more of the man,they are not

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America can relax and stop worrying about China. Xi is taking down all of its leading sectors one by one. Tech, finance, entertainment. It's like a Chinese version of Brexit, dragging the nation back to a past age. South Korean entertainment exports will have to pivot away from China now, as Kdrama and kpop will be circulating on memory cards and under the counter DVDs.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Generations have grown up with stuff that is now being taken away from them by an elderly male leadership and replaced with North Korean style propaganda. The Chinese have always been expert at dodging govt. rules, but it will be a steeper learning curve for younger people. If they are trapped inside China by covid border blocks, they will find it harder to escape.

In political terms, it is a huge risk. In general, people are quite gullible and can be easily led with a bit of political theatre, but once the reality hits home, the shelves empty and all the fun stuff is banned, how will folk respond, in both China and the UK?

As both nations are on a similar trajectory, perhaps London and Beijing should become twin cities.

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Those who have incorrect political positions and who are alienated from the party and the country must not use it

incorrect political positions ... as decided by those currently in power, I bet.

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To be the man,you got too beat the man,Woo

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So China will never have a potential competitor to BTS after this ban.

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So why hasn't the make up wearing dear Chinede leader been banned? Hypocrisy as always. Don't do as I do, but do as I say. Fascism reigns supreme in China, and the days get darker by the minute.

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They'll be banning Beatles music next in China. Oh wait a minute...

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Care for one more item?

Yesterday's Information Release, entitled The Central Propaganda Department issued a notice to deploy comprehensive governance in the field of entertainment.

It is not just media that has been warned:

The "Notice" requires that platform responsibilities be compacted. Fight against the supremacy of traffic and maintain a good industry ecology. Investigate and deal with a batch of marketing accounts that seek improper benefits. Crack down on various forms of traffic fraud. Strictly manage various hot search lists and optimize content recommendation algorithms. Strengthen the management of celebrity fan groups and support club accounts. Effectively perform monitoring and management responsibilities, and severely deal with mutual tearing information. Penalties shall be imposed on websites and platforms that are found to be untimely and inadequately managed in accordance with relevant regulations.

The "Notice" pointed out that it is necessary to strengthen public opinion propaganda. Strengthen positive publicity and guide practitioners to uphold morality and art. Strengthen the supervision of public opinion and create a good environment. Give full play to the role of literary criticism and guide the correct aesthetics.

http://www.nppa.gov.cn/nppa/contents/719/98853.shtml

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It seems that in the USA, the exact opposite has occurred. In all televised ads, as well as TV shows, the effeminate male is the norm.

Masculinity has been redefined as toxic, and eliminated as a possible role model for youth.

Kudos to China for having the balls to protect those who have balls.

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Xi is terrified of his own citizens.

The need for such control is a bad sign for all concerned.

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The television I’m not a part of culture creation by accident. A weapon of mass distraction, indoctrination and application. In the UK shows are called programs for a reason.

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His dream of opening a bar that never happened because they couldn't get with the program

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From what I am taking away from this article, it seems like China made these decisions based on the influence that these types of creators had on society- especially the younger generation, and boys in specific. It does not align with the “morality” of normal- or how men “should” and “should not be”. When in reality, it can actually positively encourage or allow people to express themselves for who they truly are. When you are looking up to someone that you admire and respect, their actions or words that you say may have a strong effect on you and your lifestyle. I think China saw this as a threat because of the influence that took over in this scenario. It is an attempt to “protect” and manipulate a one sided perspective, which I honestly do not agree with. The question that lies within my head is it the double-standard when it comes to a female versus male? How is China going to react then, if the roles were switched? I believe that this comes from personal reflection, and possibly insecurities from within an individual that played part in these types of decisions. If you look at the underlying purpose- supposedly these men being aired are not “masculine enough”. Okay… but according to who? Because if you ask different types of people you are going to get different types of answers. So the ones who are in charge are the ones we should be focusing on, and eagerly trying to understand the purpose.

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