Ariana Grande, reigning teen pop idol with a defiant edge

Everybody loves Bob Dylan, but few people know he stole almost all of his material from established folk songs.

I think his obsession with Guthrie is pretty well-documented, though. Even the casual fan would know that.

I'd personally have no problem having both Bob and Ariana in my music collection. I can distinguish between the art, artist and product but I don't get bothered about "which artist is better" arguments. Each to their own.

Today, I'll be listening to Kraftwerk, Thomas Dolby and The Chieftans.

Toasted HereticApr. 16 04:30 pm JST

Unlike Dylan, Nina Simone, etc, its very safe to say no one will bebothering to listen to Ms Grande in 20 years. Or Lady Kaka either for that matter.

I've never heard of Lady Kaka, so I'll have to take your word on it. But Ariana Grande is fine, pop music. None of us can predict what we'll be listening to in 20 years time. If I'm still alive (doubtful) I might still be listening to Kyle Minogue, Korn and King Crimson.

It's very liberating not being a music snob. I can highly recommend it.

My sentiments exactly. Love all music of quality.

Can shift seamlessly from Dvorak to Black Sabbath to Maria Callas to Iggy Azalea to Beastie Boys to Johnny Cash

Love it all.

It's very liberating not being a music snob. I can highly recommend it.

Usually, the music snobs are people who don't really get music. It's pretty rare to meet an actual musician who is a music snob. I don't care for most of the younger pop stars because their songs all sound the same, and are often written by the same couple of people. Also they tend to over sing, losing all subtlety. Worst of all, they use auto-tune and other voice editing software to drain the authenticity out of their song. But what they are really selling is sex appeal. If they looked like Susan Boyle, nobody would give them a second glance.

But everything has its place. Elevators and supermarkets need music too. Some young artists grow into becoming interesting artists as they get older. Everybody loves Bob Dylan, but few people know he stole almost all of his material from established folk songs. Bowie stole like crazy as well, but he was pretty honest about it.

Unlike Dylan, Nina Simone, etc, its very safe to say no one will bebothering to listen to Ms Grande in 20 years. Or Lady Kaka either for that matter.

I've never heard of Lady Kaka, so I'll have to take your word on it. But Ariana Grande is fine, pop music. None of us can predict what we'll be listening to in 20 years time. If I'm still alive (doubtful) I might still be listening to Kyle Minogue, Korn and King Crimson.

It's very liberating not being a music snob. I can highly recommend it.

Anyone who thinks she's going away any time soon is kidding themselves. She's one of the biggest pop stars in the world, and has held that for at least 3-4 years already.

So, Taylor Swift is now classic rock/country?

Not now, originally. Her first album was much, much more country than her later albums which were more pop.

So, Taylor Swift is now classic rock/country? It must get confusing for these young kids to remember who their favorite music artist is.

Unlike Dylan, Nina Simone, etc, its very safe to say no one will bebothering to listen to Ms Grande in 20 years. Or Lady Kaka either for that matter.

You do realize, in 20 years, the people who will decide on this would be the Millennial Generation and newer, not our old generation.

So if that's what those new generations want, then guess what, that's what will be listened to in 20 years.

It's not gonna be up to us; most of the old generation would be dead by then. It'll be up to those who are youths right now - those who are listening to these songs.

She doesn't look a day over 25, methinks her teen career is almost over. So what do most songstresses do when they need to evolve to new market ? Ask thee many who did this you know so well who made it and wonder whatever happened to those who never did ?

Unlike Dylan, Nina Simone, etc, its very safe to say no one will bebothering to listen to Ms Grande in 20 years. Or Lady Kaka either for that matter.

This Lolita concept is starting to look creepy.

The Lolita look Is awesome, but I prefer it done by legit lolitas.

A Floridian by birth, the petite Italian-American Grande moved to New York as a teen for a spot on Broadway before finding fame on U.S. kids network Nickelodeon.

Ya wouldn't believe how she turned out from looking at her Nickelodeon show:

https://www.aol.com/article/lifestyle/2019/01/16/ariana-grandes-total-style-transformation-from-nickelodeon-starlet-to-international-pop-queen/23644580/#slide=7503815#fullscreen

Shows one never knows how a girl turns out until she's grown, lol

But Warwick said Grande also "is articulating desire and speaking very frankly and candidly about her sexual pleasure -- that's certainly refreshing and possibly empowering."

Wow. I have never heard of a female singing about sexual pleasure. That's completely new and novel. She is truly a trend-setter and budding genius....so refreshing and empowering.

Her hit "God is a Woman," hailed as a coming-of-age empowerment anthem, was also derided as embracing tropes of women catering to male pleasure.

"In 2018, at the height of the #MeToo movement and when women are trying (and succeeding) at rising above our worth being tethered to our sexuality, this is the last thing we need," wrote Erin Parker for the pop culture magazine Nylon.

So Erin Parker wants to control what Ariana sings? How about Erin Parker write and performs her own songs about whatever she likes, and let's Ariana sing about whatever she wants?

And this is the very reason why people often say entertainers should just practice their craft without the political/social commetary.

Yeah, shut up The Clash, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Ani DiFranco, Sleaford Mods, Nina Simone, Harry Belafonte et al.

Hachidori - a teen-pop idol doesn't have to be a "Teenager" themselves.

Their appeal is to a predominately teen audience.

She also began in her teens and was actually an idol when she was a teen.

IMO the title "teen-pop idol" is a bit old hat, esp in Arianna's case as her appeal now includes a much broader base as people begin to realize her outstanding vocals for one.

"flaunting her sexuality".......  "queerbaiting".......   "

She has voiced irritation with the commodified packaging of pop stars

Hmmmmm.....   All of this is just silly.  she should just make pop songs

And this is the very reason why people often say entertainers should just practice their craft without the political/social commetary.

How is she a "teen pop idol? She is 26 years old.

This Lolita concept is starting to look creepy.

"It's not easy for young women artists to be taken seriously....

Aretha, Dionne Warwick, Amy Winehouse, Madonna, Tina Turner, Lourde, Kate Bush, Souxie. I don't get this narrative that women artists struggle to be "taken seriously."

If a male singer were to behave and say the things Ariana has, he'd be heavily derided, too. As an aside, I make a point of staying away from the local donut shops when she's in town. LOL.