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Asia's first LGBT-focused streaming service tackles taboos

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Lesbianism is indeed a hot topic in LGBT circles.

There's a huge "get the L out" campaign as Lesbians say they're feeling pressure from Transpeople who have male body parts but identify as female, to accept them as romantic partners. Lesbians say they don't considers transwomen with male body parts to be women. Transwomen say that Lesbians are denying their identity.

Moreover, Lesbians are beginning to worry about being "erased", as young girls who show lesbian tendencies get labelled as trans instead of lesbian, and even encouraged to have their private parts surgically altered.

And then there's the TERF issue... yikes!

These issues need open discussion and debate.

As Ken Watanabe said in Godzilla, "Let them fight."

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Totally gay gokai is glad to see this. Asia and the rest of the world really need to get rid of the European colonial teaching about gays. In Asia, there was no particular thought about gays until the European colonizers (a polite term) came and said it was bad. That we still believe this is "colonized consciousness". We need to get rid of that. In Japan, for example, the shunga (春画), which were manuals to teach about sex since the 16th century, tought how to do gay sex, usually in the end chapters. But these were deleted in modern times because of Japanese colonized consciousness. Only recently have these sections been restored in modern editions. That's progress.

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Any young person that displays non-hetero gender traits is (diagnosed/labelled/considered) trans and is recommended to convert to the opposite gender both on paper and with hormones/surgery.

No, that's not happening.

I mean, if you believe the extremists on the internet, you may think it does. But if you actually look at what is happening in reality, it's not.

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@Burning Bush Don't confuse biological sex (male/female), sexuality (hetero/homosexual), and gender (male/female identity). Trans people have a gender that is the opposite of their body, and has nothing to do with sexuality. They change their body to match their gender. A heterosexual man may identify as a woman, and become a trans woman but still be heterosexual (s/he still desires women). Gay men who identify as male are not going to change sex. Same with lesbians who identify as women.

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So many amazing story lines to be shared.

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@Buble Boy This can be found in any psychology textbook that deals with these issues.

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Gokai, your definition of the terms in Queer theory is correct. I agree with the terms, but I can't say I agree with their validity.

Consider this.

My sex: Adult male

My identity: Woman

My orientation: Lesbian.

I (hypothetically) am a male bodied person, sexually attracted to females who wants to be legally considered a woman.

Therefore if...

... I become a airport screener, I expect to be assigned to the female line for pat-downs,

... I become a nurse, I expect to be allowed to tend to girls and woman alone (most hospitals have specific policies for male nurses).

... I go into a changing room, I expect to use the female one.

... I go to prison, I expect to be sent to a woman's prison.

Keep in mind for all the above, I'm retaining my male body and sexual attraction to females, but I'm just identifying as a woman.

Don't you think this poses a few problems in society? And this isn't just hypothetical. More and more male bodied (I call them men) are identifying as lesbians. You can understand that TERFs are a little worried.

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Everyone, thanks for this discussion. It is an unclear issue for me and I appreciate everyone's input. Didn't Kurt Vonnegut say there were at least 11 sexes on the continuum?

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So we can have hetero exclusive spaces too ? Wonderful ! It will be nice to have a film without diplomacy include. I miss the old plain romance between a woman and a man that is not turn into a ridicule comedy of the woman.

This is not "too much" male freedom for most women who are not naive about the lesbian group use by them.

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if you believe the extremists on the internet, you may think it does

well, I only read the mainstream news and see lots of stuff like this happening. The issue with the Mermaids and such groups and GIDS in the UK was addressed in the mainstream media, as was the Vancouver rape center just off the top of my head. It’s not just extremist lesbian chat rooms where people are worried.

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@Burning Bush Yes, that is why it is dangerous for Americans to let trans women into the woman's restroom. Some of them are originally heterosexual men. They are still heterosexual after conversion, and still desire women even after "becoming" one.

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Burning Bush:

There's a huge "get the L out" campaign as Lesbians say they're feeling pressure from Transpeople who have male body parts but identify as female, to accept them as romantic partners. Lesbians say they don't considers transwomen with male body parts to be women.

Yeah. "I am a lesbian trapped in a male body" used to be a tacky joke, now it is actually a real thing. I think this insanity has now come so far, it is going to self-destruct.

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Personally, I'm glad they have their own streaming service!

Am curious, why?

Do you wish to subscribe or do you think LGBT people should be out of sight from the mainstream?

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I mean, if you believe the extremists on the internet, you may think it does. But if you actually look at what is happening in reality, it's not.

Perhaps you're right, I'm paraphrasing from Lesbian and Feminist circles who have a bias against transwomen (who they say are just men in high heels hijacking femininity)

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Don't confuse biological sex (male/female), sexuality (hetero/homosexual), and gender (male/female identity). Trans people have a gender that is the opposite of their body, and has nothing to do with sexuality. They change their body to match their gender. A heterosexual man may identify as a woman, and become a trans woman but still be heterosexual (s/he still desires women). Gay men who identify as male are not going to change sex. Same with lesbians who identify as women.

Thanks.

I understand that, but Lesbians are angry because Transidentified men are going on Lesbian dating sites as women and then a dispute ensues when the lesbians find out they are trans (whom they don't consider as women) but the transpeople themselves demand to be treated as women.

Also, as with the JK Rowling issue, there's a huge debate in the UK and now brewing in the US, as to whether transwomen should legally be treated the same as women. Many feminists are saying that men identifying as women aren't the same as "real" women since they don't have menstrual cycles and so on.

This is getting especially heated because of the sports and bathroom issue. Feminists are saying it's unfair to allow men to change their gender identity to compete against girls in sports.

Also the Vancouver Rape Crisis issue brought this debate to the fore in Canada, because women's rights activists said that it was wrong to have a male-bodied person in the rape crisis centre as that was supposed to be a safe space for women (XX genes) only.

A very confusing issue.

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@Burning Bush Don't confuse biological sex (male/female), sexuality (hetero/homosexual), and gender (male/female identity). Trans people have a gender that is the opposite of their body, and has nothing to do with sexuality. They change their body to match their gender. A heterosexual man may identify as a woman, and become a trans woman but still be heterosexual (s/he still desires women). Gay men who identify as male are not going to change sex. Same with lesbians who identify as women.

It's impossible to say such things and expect people to take you seriously.

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I understand that, but Lesbians are angry because Transidentified men are going on Lesbian dating sites as women and then a dispute ensues when the lesbians find out they are trans (whom they don't consider as women) but the transpeople themselves demand to be treated as women.

To be fair, the lesbians (are we supposed to capitalize that?) are not the only ones with that problem. It happens to heterosexuals as well.

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Also, as with the JK Rowling issue, there's a huge debate in the UK and now brewing in the US, as to whether transwomen should legally be treated the same as women. Many feminists are saying that men identifying as women aren't the same as "real" women since they don't have menstrual cycles and so on.

I must have forgotten. How are women treated differently than non-women - legally speaking?

This is getting especially heated because of the sports and bathroom issue. Feminists are saying it's unfair to allow men to change their gender identity to compete against girls in sports.

Feminists aren't the only ones saying that. Plenty of men have said the same thing. It's funny in a way, but I'm totally against it.

Also the Vancouver Rape Crisis issue brought this debate to the fore in Canada, because women's rights activists said that it was wrong to have a male-bodied person in the rape crisis centre as that was supposed to be a safe space for women (XX genes) only.

Agreed!

A very confusing issue.

Not really.

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These issues need open discussion and debate.

I doubt they’ll get either on a platform whose main goal is to “dispel myths” among the greater population.

Those kinds of issues you mention are the real taboos and anyone who brings them up is immediately labeled transphobic or fascist or whatever.

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Lesbianism is indeed a hot topic in LGBT circles.

There's a huge "get the L out" campaign as Lesbians say they're feeling pressure from Transpeople who have male body parts but identify as female, to accept them as romantic partners. Lesbians say they don't considers transwomen with male body parts to be women. Transwomen say that Lesbians are denying their identity.

Moreover, Lesbians are beginning to worry about being "erased", as young girls who show lesbian tendencies get labelled as trans instead of lesbian, and even encouraged to have their private parts surgically altered.

And then there's the TERF issue... yikes!

These issues need open discussion and debate.

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Personally, I'm glad they have their own streaming service!

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Totally gay gokai is glad to see this

Gay and Lesbian are a fast dying bred.

Any young person that displays non-hetero gender traits is (diagnosed/labelled/considered) trans and is recommended to convert to the opposite gender both on paper and with hormones/surgery.

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