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It's telling no one had anything to say about Russell Brand until he began his YouTube channel reporting on the truth and encouraging people to question the corrupt systems that are causing so much chaos and destruction.

They did it to Julian Assange. Andrew Tate. They tried it with Bernie Sanders and Joe Rogan. They'll do it anyone they find a threat.

It’s amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites.

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Gotta love seeing the principal of innocent until proven guilty thrown right out the window.

"very serious criminal allegations"

I see. Oh, hang on:

"London's Metropolitan Police said it had not received any reports in relation to the allegations."

I guess the allegations are not so "criminal" -- when even the police don't know about them.

"If anyone believes they have been the victim of a sexual assault, no matter how long ago it happened, we would encourage them to contact the police,

Um, that kind of policy by the police is extremely wide open to abuse, particularly by people trying to bring down enemies or others seen as threats.

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I always found him hard to listen to. Annoying, self-entitled git.

It's no surprise if he's guilty - but principle of innocent until proven guilty still stands.

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Brand is going to become even more wealthy after his lawsuits. Like I mentioned yesterday until the fake journalist who slander people like this are held accountable and sent to prison and the fake news outlets are also held accountable, they will continue to harm anyone who speaks out against them.

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We all know, but few will admit, that sex between two people can often be a rough game that many do not escape unscathed.

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I suspect many male entertainers, the prime suspect being 1970s rock stars, will have had sex that their female partners did not entirely consent to. In the case of rock stars, their partners will include underage girls and probably boys legally incapable of giving consent, regardless of how "up for it" they were.

When successful as a comedian, Brand's act presented him as a louche preening man who shagged lots of women. TV companies were quite happy to make money off him standing on a stage making jokes about rough sex. The same tv companies are now making money off claims that the same sex went beyond the boundary of consent.

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Didn't they do this to Julian Assange too?

This obvious beat up won't wash on me.

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These happened in LA so he is screwed. He might as well flee to Russia.

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If you are getting your 'truth' from Russell Brand or Andrew Tate you deserve utter ridicule.

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I get that it's a minefield out there for men these days. What are you allowed to say? What's the definition of rape?

I read your comments and wonder how many of you have been raped, sexually assaulted, gotten lewd comments thrown your way.

Do you care? Can't relate? Just don't care? Fine. But, don't mock this subject; it's not funny.

Oh, and in Japan? The women saying "iya~"??? Not a clue whether that's a yes or a no. You'll have to work that out on your own. I'm pretty comfortable saying most western women would have no problem believing this about RB.

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If you are getting your 'truth' from Russell Brand or Andrew Tate you deserve utter ridicule.

What has Russell Brand said that’s incorrect?

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After Trump lost the election to Biden, Brand saw an opportunity with the flock of impressionable Trump supporters. So he left his progressive followers behind and switched teams, spouting conspiracy theories and building a massive YouTube following under the guise of ‘truth’.

Now of course his followers wouldn’t enjoy these allegations of rape, but they are nothing they haven’t seen and accepted before.

Brand is a spineless opportunist so it wouldn’t be surprising if the allegations are true but let’s see how it all plays out. Thanks for the entertainment Russell!

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Lots of allegations and conspiring mass media are out there with their usual sensationalism but nobody has any proof of anything at least a decade after the alleged wrongdoings

12 ( +14 / -2 )

That documentary has ominous music and actors doing some of it. That's unfortunate. It's a disservice to anyone telling their story if what they're saying is true. I don't know why someone goes to a media expose instead of the police; maybe there is a good reason. I don't know if this stuff is true or not but I can't rely on a program that manipulates its audience with music and drama. Shane on "news" programs that aim to break a story about purported victims of crimes this way. It may or may not be possible to reach some kind of confidence in the truth of this matter.

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Seems like a typical pattern, anyone who speaks out against the left is a target of character assassination charged with outlandish allegations, and is found guilty until proven innocent, and we continue to see this time after time.

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So he left his progressive followers behind and switched teams, spouting conspiracy theories and building a massive YouTube following under the guise of ‘truth’.

So best to lock him up and throw away the key in the name of "democracy" eh?

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Seems like a typical pattern, anyone who speaks out against the left is a target of character assassination charged with outlandish allegations

As demonstrated in the past, I feel this is beyond Left or Right and can affect anyone perceived a "threat" from either or neither end of the political spectrum.

Despite Russell's kind and compassionate delivery of social commentary, I figured this was coming because the powers that be don't particularly liked being exposed for the corrupt, insidious entities that they are. I did, however, think they might have come up with a more original plan to attempt to systematically annihilate and discredit him.

Also, isn't it amazing that Brand's audience of 6.6 million subscribers far exceeds the entire print run for all daily newspapers combined in the UK?

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PaustovskyToday  10:28 am JST

If you are getting your 'truth' from Russell Brand or Andrew Tate you deserve utter ridicule.

LOL. If you're getting your "truth" from the Guardian and the like, you deserve utter ridicule.

Brand was a darling of the left, who ignored his hedonistic behaviour because he agreed with them politically. Now that he's switched to rooting out the truth and in the process exposing people he used to align with, plus hordes of other despicable individuals.

They're going after Brand because he's over the target. They tried smearing him as a conspiracy theorist (woooo) a while back, but that failed so they're trying to take him down with criminal charges instead, like with Assange. Brand will win though, as the tide is turning against the lowlives currently running the show.

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Paustovsky

If you are getting your 'truth' from Russell Brand or Andrew Tate you deserve utter ridicule.

You left out the biggest source of "truth for idiots", Joe Rogan.

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Britain's BBC said on Sunday it was "urgently looking into the issues"...............Will that urgency be the same as they used in Saville's case, I doubt it. Saville sexually abused children for decades and all those around him knew what he was doing but turned a blind eye, yes, even top government ministers and royalty, my dog, he was even knighted for sexual abuse. Those in power at the BBC, from the top down, knew what he was doing, yet because he was such a 'Star' they would not touch or stop him. As for Brand, I know very little about him and have never seen or watched him on anything, but he had a reputation for being a big mouth in the UK.

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Legal or illegal is besides the point the guys a pervert

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They obviously found a way to silence him. They do not allow such a media personality to oppose their agenda.

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After Trump lost the election to Biden, Brand saw an opportunity with the flock of impressionable Trump supporters. So he left his progressive followers behind and switched teams, spouting conspiracy theories and building a massive YouTube following under the guise of ‘truth’.

Interesting view. He doesn’t seem like an idiot and could be just scamming the vulnerable and stupid like so many others. His star was falling at the time.

Yildiray posted this interesting take yesterday:

Saw that a Reddit post from 8 months ago predicted something big was coming and that was why Brand had suddenly pivoted into the right wing conspiracy nut realm. Easy to get support from idiots who believe the loud voice over reason and try to frame the narrative in a way that makes him appear the victim

I thought he may have relapsed into hard drug use but I have no evidence to back this up.

Anyway, he deserves a fair trial like anyone else.

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@Jay

It’s not so amazing that Brand has more subscribers than there are newspapers printed daily in the UK.

In common with most countries, far fewer people read printed newspapers these days in the UK

Most people read their newspapers online.

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Paustovsky

If you are getting your 'truth' from Russell Brand or Andrew Tate you deserve utter ridicule.

You left out the biggest source of "truth for idiots", Joe Rogan.

Tucker Carlson is up there. He had a Damascene conversion from despising Trump and recently interviewed a man who said he smoked crack and had sex with Obama.

Andrew Tate

Next.

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To obtain a clear picture as to the allegations levelled at Russell Brand it is necessary to review fully the C4 Dispatches and The Times/Sunday Times investigation in its entirety.

In doing so, the alleged victim testimonies can be assessed as to their merits and credibility.

The alleged victims could at any stage take two distinct courses of action that could change this so-called investigation triggering a criminal case.  

If one or more of the alleged victims was to make a formal report/statement to the police, resulting in a case file being sent to the crown prosecution service.

Or a civil claim suing for assault, requiring a lower threshold on the balance of probertites test to gain a conviction over beyond reasonable doubt necessary in a criminal trial.

Hither to, Russell Brand is quite rightly to be presumed innocent.

Another important point is the question of Brand suing for libel or defamation/character assignation etc.

Well, C4 Dispatches and The Times/Sunday Times have a range of ‘public interest’ defence in law and professional ethics.

To quote the criminal, civil and regulatory laws affecting journalists and media publishers when reporting in the field, researching stories and the legal and ethical dimensions of what is generally known as ‘the public interest.’  

Basically, these accusations could have a catastrophic consequences/effect on Russell Brand reputation.

It is a fool’s errand to assume guilt, other than to form an opinion to gossip a did he, didn’t he armchair appraisal.

One things for sure BBC & Co will move heaven and hell to protect themselves.

After the Jimmy Savile horror show.

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Interesting view. He doesn’t seem like an idiot and could be just scamming the vulnerable and stupid like so many others. His star was falling at the time. 

I doubt it, seems like an intelligent guy, well-thought, deep insight, I liked him because he always had a dislike for the Hollywood ilk.

I thought he may have relapsed into hard drug use but I have no evidence to back this up. 

Doing drugs doesn’t make you less intelligent.

Anyway, he deserves a fair trial like anyone else.

I agree

Tucker Carlson is up there. He had a Damascene conversion from despising Trump and recently interviewed a man who said he smoked crack and had sex with Obama.

Those are very interesting and newsworthy discussions to have.

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Gotta love seeing the principal of innocent until proven guilty thrown right out the window.

The innocent/guilty thing is in regard to the law and the courts. But it seems a number of female comedians had set up WhatsApp groups to warn others of his behavior (link below - I can't say how true it is). I don't think parents would wait until a court decision is reached before warning their kids to stay away from someone they view as a sleazebag. Should the media refrain from warning us too? After all, they face the possibility of huge financial loss if Brand sues them and wins his case.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23794557.scottish-comedian-speaks-russell-brand-allegations/

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If you are getting your 'truth' from Russell Brand or Andrew Tate you deserve utter ridicule.

Lol. What? As opposed to the completely unbiased, unfunded by big corporations legacy media? Give me a break.

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Despite Russell's kind and compassionate delivery of social commentary, I figured this was coming because the powers that be don't particularly liked being exposed for the corrupt, insidious entities that they are. I did, however, think they might have come up with a more original plan to attempt to systematically annihilate and discredit him.

100%

Its hilarious how people will rally behind mass media before they agree with people like Brand.

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Interesting view. He doesn’t seem like an idiot and could be just scamming the vulnerable and stupid like so many others. His star was falling at the time. 

I doubt it, seems like an intelligent guy, well-thought, deep insight, I liked him because he always had a dislike for the Hollywood ilk

Yes, he comes across as intelligent. That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious. A lot of these hosts are scammers and he’s got a lot more charisma than most.

Doing drugs doesn’t make you less intelligent

It can and often does change behaviour and way of thinking. Paranoia being quite common with substance abusers.

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I have never watched him once.

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a respected news outlet like The Guardian?

The Guardian is no better than any of the other rags out there. It just has a leftist spin. The way they turned on turned on Corybn says it all? His anti-war, 'let's all work together' message was a bit much for our Neoliberal overlords like Bill Gates, who fund The Guardian.

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Paxman vs Russell Brand - full interview - BBC Newsnight 23 Oct 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk&t=5s

These health secrets changed my life! Two days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0NMW0OpZcw

Here is two facets of Brand, then and now, so too speak.  

I am not sure at which one point Russel Brand brought into his own rhetoric.

I certainly don’t believe Brand is the victim of some threat because of his views or on line persona.

He is no danger politically to anyone, regardless of his popularity.  

The power to change peoples lives politically for better or for worse do not log into accounts on instagram, twitter/X or YouTube. They lurk and influence in the corridors of power unseen.

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That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious. 

And what “conspiracy theories” would those be?

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Yes, he comes across as intelligent. That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious.

Nothing wrong with that. I believe if our governments were more honest and transparent there would be less conspiracy theories floating around for sure, and because they’re not honest and forthcoming conspiracy theories will happen, just a way of life.

A lot of these hosts are scammers and he’s got a lot more charisma than most. 

Depends on whom we are talking about, you not liking someone because you personally think they’re trafficking in conspiracy doesn’t mean that they are.

It can and often does change behavior and way of thinking.

But it doesn’t make you less intelligent overall.

Paranoia being quite common with substance abusers.

You can take a Xanax and be paranoid.

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Britain's BBC said on Sunday it was "urgently looking into the issues" raised by allegations of sexual assault made against the broadcaster's former employee

Too bad for you Brand. Say hello to Julian Assange when they get done with you. The Borg will do what they have to to keep the hive alive and dumb.

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I believe if our governments were more honest and transparent there would be less conspiracy theories floating around for sure

I believe the same about posters here. If they were more honest and transparent about themselves instead of constructing wildly exotic and easily disproved nonsense they wouldn't have such a dearth of credibility when criticizing others for those things.

Wouldn't you agree?

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That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious. 

And what “conspiracy theories” would those be?

Still waiting.

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I believe the same about posters here. If they were more honest and transparent about themselves instead of constructing wildly exotic and easily disproved nonsense they wouldn't have such a dearth of credibility when criticizing others for those things. 

Wouldn't you agree?

I can’t agree because it depends, I can’t really judge anyone on this site because they don’t mean anything to me, so I don’t care whether they are credible or not. As for celebs, I feel somewhat the same, although some like Brand I love listening to his show and he has a lot of deep insights when he talks about social issue and I definitely care about what politicians say be they legislate policy which can have a huge impact good or negative on our lives.

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It’s odd that the same posters who were calling to crucify Woody Allen last week are complaining about lack of evidence in this case.

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It’s odd that the same posters who were calling to crucify Woody Allen last week

Based on verifiable evidence, documents and testimonies.

are complaining about lack of evidence in this case.

Example?

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It’s odd that the same posters who were calling to crucify Woody Allen last week 

Based on verifiable evidence, documents and testimonies.

No. There has been no credible evidence to support the allegations against him.

are complaining about lack of evidence in this case.

Example?

What do you mean? Brand is innocent until proven guilty. Same as Allen.

Maybe Allen would have your support if he became a flat earther.

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Also, isn't it amazing that Brand's audience of 6.6 million subscribers far exceeds the entire print run for all daily newspapers combined in the UK?

Fools and their money are easily parted.

Let's take solace in the clown parade coming out to support Brand.

You have taken a very wrong turn in life if Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate ( & gimp brother), Laurence Fox and the assembled GB News oompah loompahs have got your back.

All you would need is that cretin Katie Hopkins and you have a goobersphere full house.

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That women suddenly realized, after 10~20 years that they are victims of sexual abuse.

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No. There has been no credible evidence to support the allegations against him. 

For example?

What do you mean? Brand is innocent until proven guilty. Same as Allen. 

I agree, but kids usually don’t make up sexual and explicit stories like they did in Allen’s cases.

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I agree, but kids usually don’t make up sexual and explicit stories like they did in Allen’s cases.

Investigations concluded that Dylan had been coached, probably by Mia Farrow. No evidence was found. Farrow’s other children have accused her of brainwashing Dylan into believing the accusation.

Again, innocent until proven guilty, as is Brand.

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Spare us all the conspiracy nonsense.

Brand, by his own admission, engaged in sex “voraciously” and had a massive drug problem. Both of these activities tend to diminish one’s rational capacities; in combination they are a recipe for the kind of disaster described in the BBC documentary.

His assertions that he scrupulously sought the assent of his partners are risible as are most of his “ideas”.

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Investigations concluded that Dylan had been coached, probably by Mia Farrow.

Usually, kids can't be coached that well into reliving and recalling sexual acts in such an explicit and detailed manner, it is just unimaginable, so I personally side with the children on that, not to mention as in the cases of Epstein and most recently Nygard, these men of power and prestige have a very long history of doing unimaginable things to women, let's not forget Allen cheated on his wife by marrying his adoptive daughter, it was morally and ethically wrong even if she wasn't his biological daughter.

No evidence was found. Farrow’s other children have accused her of brainwashing Dylan into believing the accusation. 

Well, personally knowing people that have dealt with sexual abuse I believe the kids, do I know concretely if he abused the kids or not, I do not, but when it comes to re-living and recalling sexual acts, children are innocent and for any child to elaborate in detail sexual acts performed on them is just hard to coach anyone.

Again, innocent until proven guilty, as is Brand.

I never said or implied that he was guilty, I don't believe so, but again, none of us know for sure.

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Soon Yi wasn't HIS adopted daughter. She was his ex-wife's adopted daughter. He had no legal relationship with the girl, so they were free to marry.

Question, why are you telling me something I just already talked about, you ok? You just repeated yourself unnecessarily...weird. 

But you support Trump and his adultery.

What, I never said No such thing! I have always said, that is between him and his wife, don't care if it's him or Clinton's or the Obamas, I draw the line when kids are involved. But if it is between two consenting adults, they have to answer to their spouses.

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bass4funk

   Soon Yi wasn't HIS adopted daughter. She was his ex-wife's adopted daughter. He had no legal relationship with the girl, so they were free to marry.

> Question, why are you telling me something I just already talked about, you ok? You just repeated yourself unnecessarily...weird.

It was not what you posted

"let's not forget Allen cheated on his wife by marrying his adoptive daughter, it was morally and ethically wrong even if she wasn't his biological daughter."

She wasn't his adopted daughter.

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Again, innocent until proven guilty, as is Brand.

I never said or implied that he was guilty, I don't believe so, but again, none of us know for sure.

We both know he is innocent until proven guilty. You can’t pick and choose when you apply it.

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We both know he is innocent until proven guilty. You can’t pick and choose when you apply it.

That is what I said.

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Russell Brand has, or soon will become a grizzly burnt offering to define a sub-human misogynistic gargoyle in a political culture war media train wreck.

Pushing the narrative to its most gruesome need for societies demand to extract the ugliest Brand example for public retribution.

Every ghastly hidden sordid peccadillo or worse that past celebrity, some deemed to have escaped justice

The so called national treasure, media personalities, heck, news readers, day time tv host/presenters, lapsed into the dark murky world of every righteous indignant example of depravity, akin to a historic day trip to a modern Sodom and Gomorrah could soon be parked permanently at Russell Brands front door.

An example of the political cultural poo storm tsunami brewing, to have Brand proverbially hung drawn and quartered.  

'Questions need to be answered' over Russell Brand allegations, says senior Tory MP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYUHO5K1ob8&t=3s

Caroline Noaks MP Chair of woman’s equalities select committee is demanding more than just her pound of flesh, Noaks is close to demanding misogyny be a redefined as a hate crime against women.

The Mail, Express, in fact all the main red top tabloids are succumbing to various states of hypersalivation, drooling profusely, every sinew searching for Brands most profane blasphemous verbal gorefests of misogynistic mayhem.

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Look sorry to state this, whether or not one finds Brand a saint or a sinner, these alleged victims of now public allegations/accusations to such serious crimes of rape/sexual assaults should, or dare I say must do some serious soul searching and report such alleged crimes to the authorities/police.

Or frankly put up or shut up.

Because this whole media horror show/circus has all the connotations of

We're gonna give you a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging

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Jimizo

Yes, he comes across as intelligent. That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious. A lot of these hosts are scammers and he’s got a lot more charisma than most.

Yeah, he has obviously sold out for clout and money. All the while blaming shadowy "them", "corporations", "big pharma", "big tech", etc.

He doesn't usually opine himself on his show, he is "just asking questions". (Like Tucker.) But the news sources he quotes are from some of the dodgiest, out of touch, voices.

His biggest error of judgement was to promote Vandana Shiva, who constantly fed Russell's cognitive biases. Vandana, the architect of Sri Lanka's organic farming laws that decimated farming in that country.

You would have to be incredibly gullible to believe that these allegations are an attempt to bring him down.

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Unlike Japan, in the UK a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law. At the moment the named person is assisting the police in their irnquiries. This, at the moment is non-news.

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The new Jimmy Savile. These men can get away with all manner of sleaze and sexual violence for decades. But boy, when they ultimately get caught out, they really get hit.

Almost certain the media has known about Brands behaviour over the years and been covering for him. Sound familiar?

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Why are people talking about a left wing media agenda when there are 4 women coming forward with claims sexul assault, the most serious accusation being rape.

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That is just another hatchet job by the "mainstream" media against dissidents from the political narrative. Brand is just the latest in a number of targets.

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While the BBC now is all excited about the accusations against Brand, it shows no interest in Epsteins client list, one wonders why.

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That is just another hatchet job by the "mainstream" media against dissidents from the political narrative. Brand is just the latest in a number of targets.

List those other targets. Which eminently intelligent, thoughtful people are broadcasting from a grievance shed somewhere ? They are not dissidents, just weirdos who have found an audience.

While the BBC now is all excited about the accusations against Brand, it shows no interest in Epsteins client list, one wonders why.

Did Epstein host Big Brother and date Katy Perry ? Brand is mainstream tabloid fodder. The only questionable thing is the timing of his recent right-wing / goober pivot.

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While the BBC now is all excited about the accusations against Brand, it shows no interest in Epsteins client list, one wonders why.

How many of them worked for the BBC? Name a few.

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That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious. 

And what “conspiracy theories” would those be?

And still waiting.

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Well what a surprise- Youtube have jumped on the possibly 'Trumped' up charges bandwagon against Brand.

I don't like the guy much, never have, but this smacks of a pre-ordained systematized witch-hunt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66851698

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0rei0

I don't like the guy much, never have, but this smacks of a pre-ordained systematized witch-hunt.

Watch the documentary and see how he raped a woman and then, at 30, groomed a 16 year old.

It made me sick.

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at 30

*in his 30's.

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@2020hindsights

Watch the documentary and see how he raped a woman and then, at 30, groomed a 16 year old.

I did.

Channel 4 moved away from 'Independent' broadcasting a long time ago- 'Dispatches' used to be a good newsworthy investigative programme, until Channel 4 decided to tread the commercial path à la 'The Sun'.

You see, you are doing the same thing 'See how'- See? There was visual evidence of Brand?

Too many people nowdays are happy to get led along the pre-decided path without substantiation.

I'll wait, thank you, rather than rely on the tabloid journalism to dish out what my opinion should be.

IF he is guilty, let the law decide- Then and only then if it were shown to be true beyond doubt, an apt punishment should be decided.

Trial by media has to stop.

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0rei0

@2020hindsights

Watch the documentary and see how he raped a woman and then, at 30, groomed a 16 year old.

I did.

Channel 4 moved away from 'Independent' broadcasting a long time ago- 'Dispatches' used to be a good newsworthy investigative programme, until Channel 4 decided to tread the commercial path à la 'The Sun'.

The fact that he groomed a girl my daughter's age in his thirties makes me feel ill. This isn't a disputed fact.

IF he is guilty, let the law decide

He isn't being tried.

But I do expect more people will come forward with their own bad experiences.

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He used to hang around with Jimmy Savile and looks like Charles Manson on a bad day. It might be a good idea of the police looked under the floorboards of his house.

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@jimizo I thought he may have relapsed into hard drug use but I have no evidence to back this up.

What on earth are you on about. I mean, really.

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@jimizo That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious. 

And what “conspiracy theories” would those be?

And still waiting.

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He used to hang around with Jimmy Savile

Not correct.

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Taking into account the C4 Dispatches and The Times/Sunday Times investigation aired to broadcast Saturday 17th Brand has seen his one man shows cancelled, any reference to Brand  Channel 4 and the BBC iPlayer streaming services content white washed or in various stages of removal, any monetization of his YouTube channels suspended.

Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee chairwoman Dame Caroline Dinenage has written to the GB News, BBC, C 4 even TikTok, requesting a full and detailed list of pertinent applicable actions taken and actioned to respond to allegations levelled at Bland.

Look, I do misunderstand if Brand is found to be culpable of such despicable crimes, Brand will deserve, all that entails.

Also, I am not throwing shadow over the alleged victims harrowing testimonies.

The court of public opinion, has little or no respect for the presumption of innocence, especially when boiled in the cauldron of emotionally charged social media driven lynching's associated with a full blown trial by media circus.

I just feel, how ever much I find Brand a total misogynous freak show, in the same breath, equally deserving to a jurisprudent defence defined in law.

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this smacks of a pre-ordained systematized witch-hunt.

Thats exactly what it is.

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Toblerone

@jimizo That’s why I find his turn into conspiracy theories a bit suspicious. 

And what “conspiracy theories” would those be?

And still waiting.

Brand was promoting the conspiracy theory that the US has “biolabs” in Ukraine.

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itsonlyrocknroll

I just feel, how ever much I find Brand a total misogynous freak show, in the same breath, equally deserving to a jurisprudent defence defined in law.

Brand was given the right to respond. He also has the right to sue for defamation if the facts are untrue. I would reasonably expect that the facts were checked before the documentary went to air.

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2020hindsights,

Viewing the C4 Dispatches and The Times/Sunday Times investigation, is a harrowing sickening experience.

I can read that you are rightly understandably distressed, and demand justice.

Brands behavior, some, many would find detestable, misogynistic, appallingly degrading towards women.

I want to point out that Brand for all his character flaws, should and must, taking into consideration the serious nature of the criminal accusations/allegations leveled still be subject to quote...

A course of legal proceedings according to rules and principles that have been established in a system of jurisprudence.

However difficult that is to swallow.....

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itsonlyrocknroll

I want to point out that Brand for all his character flaws, should and must, taking into consideration the serious nature of the criminal accusations/allegations leveled still be subject to quote...

A course of legal proceedings according to rules and principles that have been established in a system of jurisprudence.

From what I understand, Brand hasn't been indicted or sued for anything at this time.

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Outside of the press media coverage. Brand is a free man.

However early days, I understand a number of women, alleged victims, have approached the Police.

The Met Police have a special, stand alone crime units dedicated to investigate offences such as serious sexual assaults including rape.

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Has he used the ‘they’re not coming after me they’re coming after you, I’m just in the way’ line yet?

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Bob Fosse

Has he used the ‘they’re not coming after me they’re coming after you, I’m just in the way’ line yet?

He's more leaning into the "they are trying to silence me because I am telling the truth" line. ;-)

Which is funny, because everything on his show is quotes from other news sources.

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Which is funny, because everything on his show is quotes from other news sources.

He is the guy who tells you what is buried in the middle of the article but should be the first line. He is the guy that corrects the lies of a headline. He is the guy who tells you what is buried on page 5 but should be on the front page.

The corrupt, lying, deceiving, murdering, theiving establishment does not like that kind of guy.

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Keepyer Internetpoints

Which is funny, because everything on his show is quotes from other news sources.

He is the guy who tells you what is buried in the middle of the article but should be the first line. He is the guy that corrects the lies of a headline. He is the guy who tells you what is buried on page 5 but should be on the front page.

He's none of those guys. As far as news analysis goes, he panders to his right wing audience and plays on their fears and prejudices.

The corrupt, lying, deceiving, murdering, theiving establishment does not like that kind of guy.

Not sure who you are referencing. Who are the lying, deceiving, murdering, thieving establishment? The Daily Mail?

The fact that the investigation for the documentary started before he started his YouTube channel should probably quash any conspiracy theories that they wan to silence him.

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All four did not report getting rape to anyone. Four ??? What are the odds of that. Not one report it and Why. All four were scared of how the media and social media will portray them. All four ? what are the odds of that happening. But ten years latter all 4 reported it to the media, the entity that they were so scare of. No not the police because they are not as trustworthy as the media. Yes tell your story walking. What upset me the most are people like Bob and there is many that have the accused hang drawn and quartered because they believe the trustworthiness of todays media. That one word gullible.

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John-San

All four did not report getting rape to anyone.

Did you even watch the documentary? One victim told a friend and went to a rape crisis centre.

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2020: Told her friend. And you see this in a documentary which is create by WHO for WHO to make money for WHO. Do your research and you find big media produced and owns the documentary. Big media is going through a huge decline in viewership due to better and fact driven work by independents just what Brand delivers. The Big media is a company who sole purpose is to make profits by pushing headline that sell viewership where the other is already rich and leave a very profitable career to deliver facts that the big better will not because their in bed in governments and big industries. Brand didn’t start his channel to make a profit and is not beholden to any entity like Big media. But dump people are taken in by big media because they produce favorable sensational lies that you want to believe. So you watch a doco and now you’re the expert on factual credible new source media. This really make my laugh a documentary produce by a profit driven media and you are taken in.

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John-San

2020: Told her friend

And went to a rape crisis centre. You didn't address this. Why would you go to a a rape crisis centre if you weren't raped?

Brand didn’t start his channel to make a profit and is not beholden to any entity like Big media.

BS, he totally runs his YouTube channel for money. You can tell by the clickbaity titles and the subject matter.

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So many people with so much insight into "the truth". They must have been doing their own research.

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2020: is that a fact “ She when to a rape crisis centre” and she would be adviced to report it to the police. No the rape crisis centre told her to wait ten years and report it the media???? Do you know the person wealth of Brand ? He could retire 10 years ago and next generation could still live a rich life. Yes with that wealth he need to invest in a Youtube channel. Like he really need this crap in his life. Really think about what you stated. His channel is a profit making venture ? If a person is interested in making more money they invest in a certain industry that will deliver not a gamble on a YouTube. What he did want was the audience youtude can reach. 16 is the age of consent and also indicates that are old enough to use critical thinking to decide your actions. At 15 you would have a case but don’t used the age 16 as that she was incapable of making correct decisions by the law. I had this conversation with my daughter when she turned 15 and again when she was 16 and point out that from that age you take responsibility for your decision making especially in sexual nature. I called parenting.

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People comparing him to Jimmy Savile, dunno about that. Mind you I used to like watching Jim’ll fix it when I was little. Never much cared for that Brand chap

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John-San

2020: is that a fact “ She when to a rape crisis centre” and she would be adviced to report it to the police. No the rape crisis centre told her to wait ten years and report it the media????

Did you even watch the documentary. The rape crisis center had in their report that she was hesitant to report it because it involved a celebrity. Who needs the press hounding you, like you are right now, for reporting a rape.

You are looking real empathetic right now.

Do you know the person wealth of Brand ? He could retire 10 years ago and next generation could still live a rich life. Yes with that wealth he need to invest in a Youtube channel.

Something you should know about rich people. They still want more money. Have you seen a recent Brand YouTube clip? He has adverts in the YouTube video. Of course he's in it for the money.

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His channel is a profit making venture ? If a person is interested in making more money they invest in a certain industry that will deliver not a gamble on a YouTube.

I imagine that people call you 'John-san' through very gritted teeth. Probably after you have angrily insisted that they call you so. I've seen your type before.

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Millions of people are earning big fortunes on YouTube. Full time job.

But there are now too many adverts.

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wallace

You can pay to watch without adverts mate.

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I don't watch enough YouTube to warrant a premium ¥1200/month.

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wallace

Fair enough, my partner watches often and my son and myself sometimes so I don’t mind really.

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This is better than YouTube pet. Free and just as gushy.

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wallace

I don't watch enough YouTube to warrant a premium ¥1200/month.

You can just install an ad blocker. I use AdBlock Plus. No adverts on YouTube.

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Mark Felton (Historian) is a good watch on YouTube. He did a video in Buckingham Palace:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ORQd_Tg7Bgw

And the music you can listen to is top notch.

All well worth the subscription fee

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