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By ALEX VEIGA and LYNN ELBER LOS ANGELES©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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tooheysnew
White heterosexual male lives matter !
lolwut
I watched it. I didn't hear or see anything hateful. It was comedy. I thought he made that pretty clear.
Jacko
Don't like it, don't watch, especially if you're easily offended. Chapelle has been doing this for years and only now he gets called out by the snowflakes.
GdTokyo
I watched it. It wasn’t anti-trans.
PharaohChromium
Yeah, but they're a sensitive bunch.
ReasonandWisdomNippon
Dave Chappelle like many stand-up comedians in the West have a habit of making fun of everyone and everything no matter how offensive or disrespectful.
Dave Chappelle is partially responsible for a Transgender person who was friends with him committing suicide a few weeks later after she defended Dave online.
Dave Chappelle is married to an Asian wife yet he makes jokes about Asians being attacked and blamed for Covid19.
Dave Chappelle makes fun of Japan and Japanese men after the atomic bombs was used as jokes in his special.
Garthgoyle
Common-sense-not-being-offended-by-everything lives matter.
Also, I stand with tooheysnew.
White heterosexual male lives matter !
Danielsan
More attention grabbing victimism.
More publicity.
Look at me, look at me!
sourpuss
The protestors aren't listening to what he was saying thus demonstrating their ignorance.
I'll bet nobody commenting on this story can point out exactly what was transphobic about Chappelle's jokes.
Capuchin
I support equal rights for people of all races, genders or sexuality but the vocal, extreme minority of LGBTQA+ community are demanding more than equal representation, more than equal rights and expect to be hoisted on to a pedestal that places them above all forms of criticism and public discourse.
The movement more resembles the unrealistic demands of a spoilt, narcissistic and emotionally immature child than it does a civil rights movement. This makes people less willing to support their cause or engage with them. It's own behaviour is toxic, self destructive and undermines the movements own goals.
A movement that supposedly is all about tolerance and acceptance is in fact completely intolerant and un-accepting of criticism or views that oppose its own.
HBJ
History proves that jokes have been made of everyone and everything. We joke about males and females, young and old, humans and animals, life and death, religions, politics, races, sports, and on and on.
Nothing should be off limits as a topic. As Ricky Gervais explains so well:
*“**There’s no subject you shouldn’t joke about,”*
“It depends on the target - people get offended when they mistake the subject of a joke with the actual target and they’re not necessarily the same.”
The Trans community wants to become an accepted part of society. They are eager to point out that they shouldn't be discriminated against because they are just normal people - and quite rightly so. I'd argue that there is no better form of acceptance than becoming part of the normal every day conversation - which includes being joked about. You can't be accepted into society if you demand certain protections that all the other groups of society aren't afforded.
ian
I'm surprised no petition has come out yet
ian
But there's probably one up somewhere already
ian
Frankly, I would appreciate if someone posts something like that.
I haven't watched the show
HBJ
“You have the right to offend and be offended. But you don't have the right to never be offended.
Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. Some people are offended by equality.”
snowymountainhell
Responding to someone else’s post earlier in this thread:
Have you seen Japanese comedians in “blackface”? (Still on JTV and commercials throughout the day & night. NOT “cancelled”.
Have you watched the likes if Takeshi Kitano?
Perhaps you need to actually watch “*The Closer”*? - Chapelle had a friendship with her and gave her a rare opportunity , an unknown, to open his show. She bombed but he still admired her for attending the after party and making people laugh. He invited her to open again at the next opportunity. She agreed. He was deeply disappointed she took her life and was even more disappointed by the community that ‘ate her alive’.
One deviation or ‘lack of solidarity’ on ALL fronts, and some activists will do everything in their power to “cancel” a former member of the group and their livelihood.
The rest of the earlier claims are IMO, equally unsubstantiated, appear to be fabrications and exaggerations unless the claimant can perhaps provided specific links so others can judge for themselves* ***? **
Will leave the latter 2 claims for others to dissect, IF they care.
thaonephil
Chapelle have every right to be offensive, and people that feel offended have every right to complain about it, Netflix is obviously allowed to keep the special if they think it is justified, but they will also assume the consequences of doing it, it may be losing staff, viewers, share in the market, etc. but then again it may not.
Dman
This cancel culture must stop! Whatever happened to freedom of speech. Stand-up comedy is an art. And to be fair, Dave has been targeting not just the LGBTQ community but others as well. He told some ugly truths out there so it pissed them off because most of it is true.
stormcrow
Comedians cross sensitive lines all the time to make people think. The more controversial they are, the more they make us think. It looks like Chapelle has been very successful in that regard.
Blacklabel
based on what qualification or merit to hold this position, a board level role, in the company?
A lot of people are just sitting back enjoying Netflix, a liberal virtue signaling company at heart, destroy itself from the inside.
Blacklabel
Ted Sarandos simply forgot who his wife is and who his boss is, politically. Activists simply pressured his wife to "correct" her husband. Now he speaks differently, of course.
then his boss wife:
Just strange that they are going after Dave Chappelle, of all people.
commanteer
Happens every day, and ironically is the one racial crime that rarely gets covered.
Sanjinosebleed
The Show was anti-BS not anti-trans which is probably what got all 5 of them so riled up...
Hito Bito
Notice what every article about Chapelle's special, plus every single "trans rights" Wokist is conveniently forgetting to mention:
Dave talked for almost a quarter of the show about a Trans whom he befriended while doing comedy shows in the Bay Area. He didn't mince words about his criticism for this person's lack of comic ability, yet he showed admiration for the person for their stubbornness not to give up even while bombing as Chapelle's opening act.
This very same Trans got into a social media fight with other Trans supporters...the the Trans activists hounded, attacked and belittled this person until they chose to give in and commit suicide.
That was a major part of the Chapelle special. Why the silence? Can we admit the obvious hypocrisy of "activists" being SO totalitarian, so "one way only, nothing else, because we decided this must be so" until THEY actually hurt more of their own kind than any "hurtful" jokes?
This Woke community is so serious, it's killing people. Dave never really hurt anyone, but these folks? They're murderous!
Garthgoyle
Where's that? Specifically, where are they killing homosexuals?
egads man!
You have to understand it from the target audience's perspective. I think it's disingenuous of him to associate trans as equaling white, but comedy isn't about being politically correct. It's about eliciting reactions and provoking thoughts. Someone may have loved it and someone may have found it offensive. Why the disparity? Let's talk about why it was offensive. This is how the discourse should be. Through talking we can better understand everyone.
Blacklabel
if all it took to be on the Board at Netflix is to be "transgender", I would have identified as such years ago.
ian
This then is probably the single most significant reason they want the show cancelled.
They don't want more people to know they've pressured one of their own to the brink.
El Rata
All just because he was pointing out basic biological facts, where is the 'follow the science crowd'?
GW
As I said a few days ago, these protestors are a bunch of whiny babies, they need to GROW a pair, seriously!!!
Their miniscule numbers cant be allowed to influence what netflix programs or any other broadcaster!!! If these radical, & YES they are radicals get their way, its going to suck bigtime!!!
Say it with Dave Chapelle MATERS, DC Matters!!!!
I am all for these people going out & saying their piece, but will be very foolish to give in to them in any way at all, we will just ignore THEM like THEY should just ignore Dave!!! Real easy to do!
Ricky Kaminski13
Trans Lives Matter.... it's just too perfect to be true. The angry left, keep inspiring! You do us all a favor.
shogun36
Did any of those people even watch the show, without pre-viewing hate developing from just hearsay?
Peter Neil
I didn't see it, but I want to now.
Tom San
I'm too stingy to spend money on Netflix.
Wakarimasen
Hope they had transgender portaloos on site to support these worthy protesters.
ian
Just read some news. List of "requests" include more trans and non binaries in executive level positions at Netflix and for the company to create a fund to support trans and non binary talent
ian
Sarandos is really in hot water now
NOMINATION
Some of the same people defending Dave over this were the same ones that were all up in arms about North Carolina not allowing grown men to use the restroom with little girls and women. I guess it all depends on the political affiliation of the accused.
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
What has the world become ?
Humanity is a joke.
If you can't laugh at yourself might as well throw in the towel.
Nobody is perfect.
Its a gender war .
And no thats not a rainbow is it really.
There's 7 colors in a rainbow.
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
If its trans then how do they know whose life it is that matters?
Everybodys life matters ofcourse .
But how to identify the unidentifiable to define the undefined?
Trinity
Lets face it, Chapelle dropped the ball on this one. Theres humour and then theres outright unkindness and callus insensitivity. In fact its way beyond insensitivity, its actually —
Hee hee! Im joking of course! If thats still allowed.
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
No jokes allowed this is truly serious issues.
Next to see cloned gene editing of a human that is "A" sexual and capable of giving birth without needing another person
Trinity
You told a joke? Straight to jail for you!
I won’t never do it again, I promise!
Attilathehungry
If we are going to discuss this properly, we need to use the proper acronym: 2SLGBTQQIA+. Otherwise, you are committing the same sin as Dave. You are omitting and erasing people. Taking their humanity.
Your penance is wearing a hair shirt (made from Hokkaido deer hair) and non matching shoes for a week.
buchailldana
I would say I'm supportive of their cause but it seems they are a tad over sensitive to any comment whether Dave Chappelle or JK Rowling.
Time to grow a pair and man up.
ian
It would really help if Field mentioned examples of the remarks that contributed to the killings of the people on the list
Bendtner52
At the risk of spoiling this middle-age circle-jerk. Just because people online complain about your fav doesn't mean it's "cancel culture." Dave Chapelle was just $20m dollars for his specials and in each of them went on a speech about cancel culture.
If any misenfranchised group speaks out about something, a group of unwashed masses descend "hurr durr woke culture" "rehhh cancel culture." Just a bunch of snowflakes.
If you think Dave Chapelle has a right to make jokes at trans people's expense, then they also have a right to criticise.
spinningplates
It's weird, to see the Trans people all up in arms, because if you actually watched the show and listened, it was the Lesbian Feminists that he really lit up.
snowymountainhell
Like a bolt of lightning* *@Reckless 5:38p sums up the debate on this controversy into one simple question:
With sincerest appreciation for clarity in an increasingly insane world of oversensitivity: “Thank You”, sir (or madam, whichever may apply)
bass4funk
Chappell is a true American Patriot, love the guy, he’s just so spot on.
TARA TAN KITAOKA
All lives matters.
ian
You seem to know what you're talking about so maybe you can help me.
I haven't watched the show so I don't really know what the show is exactly about.
Could you give examples of joke Chapelle made at trans people's expense?
ian
Seems I've been asking the wrong question since nobody seems to know what joke it was that ticked off the trans supporters. I'll change my question then.
What was it that Chappelle said that ticked off the trans supporters?
Was it a joke he said or a fact he said?
kaimycahl
I am just as confused as the people walking out! Comedy is healing people need to laugh what I find so confusing is why does the truth hurt.
bass4funk
It's on Netflix, go and watch it, the entire thing and then you will know, funny as heck.
King Minus
I've watched his last three specials, and despite being a long-term fan of his, I felt his trans jokes in the first one were kind of uncharacteristically hacky and out of touch. Not really hateful or anything, just lazy throwbacks that seemed kind of beneath him. Other than that, there were some funny bits.
Then, if memory serves, he spent a good chunk of the second special defending himself in the manner of a middle-aged man who's had his pride compromised, and most of the third doing more of the same, while detailing his heroic friendship with an untalented trans comic who reinforced his belief in the righteousness of his cause before she was driven to suicide by the fallout.
It was all a bit cringey, and I don't remember laughing once.
Peter Neil
I had never seen or heard Dave Chappelle, so I checked him out on YouTube. He's really funny and only some of his humor is about the variety of fruits and vegetables (F&V) in the sexual orientation garden (my words) and is spoken with humor and not nasty like the fruits and vegetables trying to cancel him.
Most of the humor is impressions of the F&V reactions in situations. There is no lecturing or serious moralizing. He continually says that people can be any way they want, and he jokes about many different situations of many people.
One example is a funny story of being at an art social event in NYC. There was man wearing a dress who was writhing around from some drug(s) he took and eventually fell to the floor. Dave went over and asked if the man was alright, and the effeminate crowd around them (his friends) sighed and glared at Dave as they waved at the man's face to wake him up.
"You mean is she alright..."
He said "OK, no problem, but you may want to cover her up because her penis is hanging out from her dress."
That's just funny.
Luddite
Censorship is ugly.
Luddite
Of course they have a right to criticise, but most of those protestors wanted his programme removed from Netflix. Censoring a comedian because they were offended is not free speech.
tooheysnew
it Seems the only people who should be offended by Dave Chappelle are white people
CaptDingleheimer
He's a comedian. He tells jokes.
Just how special do you think you are that you think you're off limits to a comedian telling jokes?
Sheikh Yerboaby
it is funny......a lot of controversial things can be funny in the right context. Comedy.....take a night off from being butthurt all the time about every little single thing and just enjoy it for what it is........do you think fat people, ginger people, junkies, spotty people, people with freckles...ANYONE who is a target of a comedic spiel actually likes being made fun of? No.....but at a comedy night do they accept it? yeah....because it's at a bloody comedy night FFS!! It's not a personal insult to YOU, take it as it's given.
I am amazed that no one has targeted Ricky Gervais yet......that man has said SOOOO many controversial things about so many types of people during his performances....funny AF
Sheikh Yerboaby
THIS! The rest of the world is tired of the overspill from your eggshell walking
Express sister
Not really tbh
kurisupisu
Pure theatre…
PerformingMonkey
The far right and far left have yet another thing in common: no sense of humour.
Ah_so
There's nothing quite like this story to bring out right wing bigotry.
White heterosexual males are not the ones who die of hate crimes or structural racism.
asiafriend
I agree, but if you said that at a BLM protest, you would be attacked by the “tolerant” ones.
asiafriend
White heterosexual male lives matter !
Since white heterosexual male lives don't matter to you, can you please explain why?
kurisupisu
Dave Chapelle is a genius-don’t like his words?
No need to listen then...
CaptDingleheimer
Somehow the Cancel Brigade gave up on South Park since forever ago. They rip on everybody super hard, but you never hear anyone trying to shut down Comedy Central over it.
I wonder why they get a pass?
Khuniri
Pleasantly surprised to find a lot of common sense in the comments.
I am old enough to remember when African-Americans were more or less publicly "invisible." A Dave Chapelle was unthinkable...One doesn't have to agree with him or his style, but the fact remains that America has come a long way...The fundamental problem is that there are certain people who seek a "permanent revolution." Today's "progressive" becomes tomorrow's "reactionary," who is then sent off to Madame Guillotine...If a chap named Louis thinks he is really Louella, I say "let 'm be." But such does not give him the right to be the Lady High Executioner.
Wolfpack
The idea that you cannot offend anyone or else you cause them “harm” is a crock. I take it that because the Left has politicized the culture ridicule is only allowed towards those not on their side. Or perhaps by someone on their side towards someone higher up on the victim hierarchy they have established via their conceptions of oppression and intersectionality. This is allowed in order to put the offender back in their place within the hierarchy. Here again we have the idea that equity can be achieved through selective treatment of individuals based on their identity and not on their character. It’s a cognitively dissonant mess of an ideology.
How anyone believes that stifling comedy by placing it within the realm of their ideology will lead to better outcomes is a mystery. It’s just Maoist re-education. You would think that an entertainment company would be a bastion of free speech- but I would not be surprised if they, and or Chappell, fold within the next few weeks.
Wolfpack
They didn’t get a pass - did you see how they were forced to back down from directly parodying Muhammad?
CrashTestDummy
Exactly. There are a ton of comedians, media news hosts, celebrities, politicians, etc, etc. that I don't like what they say or stand for, so I don't watch or follow them. Simple. Freedom of speech.
Zaphod
If woke activists have their way, comedy is dead. Well, unless one takes dark humour and looks at the activists themselves.
Matt Hartwell
Once upon a time if you didnt like something you turned off the TV, radio or whatever.
Why is that so difficult now? I cant understand these babies.
Wolfpack
Because the Left doesn’t tolerate dissent from their orthodoxy. This is a fight for control of the culture and for what is allowed to be discussed in public. Freedom of speech, and even thought, is at stake. They ridicule the very idea of freedom unless it comes to abortion.
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
Everbodys lives matter.
Matt Hartwell
You know whats interesting in leftist circles? They push hard on vaccine mandates. They think they have the right to force people to put something into their bodies they dont want on the pretence that if you dont, death is sure to follow. Meanwhile, the death rate for Covid is somewhere between 1% - 3% for most countries.
And yet for abortion, its 100% death rate for the foetus every single time. Not 1%, not 3%, but 100%.
So my question is - If the left is so very concerned about human life, where are they so supportive of very loose abortion laws? I cant get my head around that moral hypocrisy.
Do you want to protect life or not? Now if you wanted vaccine mandates and strict abortion laws, that makes sense, but in all honesty, I have very little patience for leftists that want vaccine mandates and yet, in the same breath, say of course abortion should be widely available
There attitude can be summed up as follows
Abortion - "My body my choice!"
Vaccination - "Your body my choice!"
The hypocrisy is absolutely stark.
Denisesorensen@live.com
I thought it was a good show. He stated his opinions and he’s entitled to that. I don’t think this would have gotten so out control if the CEO didn’t run his mouth about about a lesbian, autistic, Aussie comedian in his tweets. As a gay white woman I didn’t find it very offensive or divisive. I cannot say the same about some of the commenters on here. Some people are just scared of other perspectives or think they’re correct for spouting right wing rhetoric.
asiafriend
So very true! Unfortunately some people (the left) don't think a human fetus is actually a human. They would rather give more concern to someone like Charles Manson who murdered people, than to a future child that never hurt anyone. Millions of dollars were spent on Manson when the money should have gone to the families of the victims. With the left, the victims of crime have no value. Ronald Reagan said it well when he said: “I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”