Disney debuts deaf Native superhero as 'woke' debate swirls

Anyone who blames their failures as the fault of "being woke" has no idea what they're talking about. Marvel's struggling because their quality has gone down ever since End Game capped off that phase of the franchise. Couple that with the fact that you have to watch a plethora of movies AND shows that are locked behind a paywall, it's only going to end up alienating a big chunk of your viewer base unless the fatigue catches up to them first.

Can a deaf, Native American superhero with a prosthetic leg reinvigorate Disney's Marvel franchise

Forget all the other words for a minute.

"superhero"

This is the problem of it all. Enough with the superheroes already. It's been done to death. Do something else.

Disney should worry more about producing GOOD animation movies/shows more than anything else.

And if they wanna get into live action movie stuff, take a look at their mid-90's comedy and sports lineup.

That's when they really excelled.

Loved Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin on the Netflix show so will give Echo a chance. The trailer looks promising... Hope it's not a bloated, boring, meandering mess like most (all?) Disney+ Marvel shows.

Disney has hopelessly lost its way.

This Echo series seems particular if hero does not look line a hero.

But don't make her run faster than others being one-legged⁰, be better than oyhzrs because native or smarter because deaf, all without any good reasons...

It's not just Disney doing it.

Sony's first Spiderman Live-Action spin-off streaming series is Silk, a Korean spiderwoman. People expected Miles Morales series to go first but Sony decided to go with Silk for live-action for some reason, keeping Miles Morales as a strictly animated series for now.

https://deadline.com/2023/12/silk-spider-society-writers-room-reopening-wga-amazon-1235659280/amp/

Yharnam Resident Today 01:37 pm JST

Anyone who blames their failures as the fault of "being woke" has no idea what they're talking about.

Sorry, no. The quality has gone down as a result of prioritizing the woke message, identity politics, over substance. Disney's problems are not simply about Marvel as your comment assumes. Nobody cares that this character is deaf anymore than they cared Daredevil was blind. But what they do care about is good storytelling which the Daredevil series had. So will this series similarly succeed? Well it will depend on if the character isn't just only defined by being blind, woman, native american while slamming patriarch or whatever, but is a great character who is incidentally blind, woman, native american with a great story.

Can a deaf, Native American superhero with a prosthetic leg reinvigorate Disney's Marvel franchise, just weeks after its CEO appeared to criticize his filmmakers for prioritizing messaging over storytelling?

No.

Anything Disney is woke.

"Non-white people are more likely to watch Marvel films than white people. Particularly Black people and white Hispanics," she said.

"white"... "Black"... Yes, one is obviously more important than the other, so let's capitalize that and not the other.

Please! Your racism is showing.

a deaf, Native American superhero with a prosthetic leg

There is no way they haven't stolen the idea from one of Jared Taylor's podcasts, he has been joking with the idea for ages! Seemingly not a joke anymore. At least to these people. God lord.

Diversity is fine, but when the lead of the story about a movie is that its the first to feature a deaf, native American, female amputee in a super hero role.....its no wonder people are getting a bit fed up with this non-stop firehouse of self-congratulatory fawning.

Can a deaf, Native American superhero with a prosthetic leg reinvigorate Disney's Marvel franchise

No. I think we need to make her dyslexic, albino, and anorexic as well, just to cover all our bases.

Looks like death-throes of Disney.

Best movie I saw recently was an Indie film about human smuggling to provide fisherman to SE Asia fishing boats.

No. I think we need to make her dyslexic, albino, and anorexic as well, just to cover all our bases.

You forgot to throw in transgender/LGBT.

I'm waiting for the super hero who is legless and armless and is found in a sugar field. His name is Cane.

It's not her debut; she was in the Hawkeye series. Probably the best character in that show actually.

I don't get the headline, there are already blind superheroes (daredevil), etc., so this is nothing new.

But the series comes at a delicate time for Disney, whose Marvel superhero films have struggled recently at the box office after over a decade of global domination.

There are a few factors. However, I am no Marvel or superhero fan but I think the major reason this is because they retired those popular ones like Ironman, Captain America, Blackwidow etc. Antman, Captain Marvel etc are really not that popular.

Looks like they have run out of ideas.

Disney has done a number of things well. The Mandalorian comes to mind. The volume of Marvel content is not the problem, it is the lack of well constructed stories as the first phases of the Marvel reincarnation mostly were. It has become about meeting deadlines to get the movies and shows out on time, rather than vetting each project to ensure quality of story telling to make it relevant to the universe, engaging, thoughtful and exciting. You cant produce huge amount of product and expect CGI to carry the ball in most of them.

I enjoy a good story, even a superhero one. Ahsoka, Mandalorian should continue as long as they keep bringing the story forward as they have done in the past. Disney should also continue with The Orville now that it is in their hands. But Marvel needs to step back and reduce the pressure to put out as many shows as they can produce, and first ensure quality of the storytelling.

Mandalorian was just OK. There were some cool scenes, but too much of it is targeting 8 year old kids.

And how about those colorful space-age scooters? Cringe!!

I'll watch 2-3 episodes of Echo and decide for myself if it is interesting.

The Orville last season got pretty "woke" - I don't care to see characters I like singing. ST:Discovery did this too. Cringe.

I enjoyed most of the Star Wars shows - most more than the recent movies. The last few seasons of The Clone Wars (cartoon) really fill in some missing information that would have been helpful across the entire SW universe.

I'm less a fan of Marvel stuff. It is like the Transformers ... which is so unrealistic even on a fantasy level that I just can't suspend my brain to that level of stupidity.

Taste in entertainment varies wildly.

This is a parody, am I right?

> The Original WingToday  03:33 pm JST

Can a deaf, Native American superhero with a prosthetic leg reinvigorate Disney's Marvel franchise

No. I think we need to make her dyslexic, albino, and anorexic as well, just to cover all our bases.

> LegrandeToday  04:24 pm JST

No. I think we need to make her dyslexic, albino, and anorexic as well, just to cover all our bases.

You forgot to throw in transgender/LGBT.

How dare you assume the pronouns of a fictional character!

Pass. Only because it sounds very uninteresting and uninspired.

As to why Marvel is doing badly, it's because as discussed before they make you watch every single show or movie to understand any other. And then because of that the exposition in the movies and shows is so unbelievably bad it's unwatchable. If they had kept most separate and had the occasional tie-in and/or crossover, fine, but to force you to watch Secret Invasion to understand The Marvels or vice/versa, or the thousand other spin-offs and teasers at the ending credits of another movie to understand something else, it's BS. Count me out. Let the MCU die off and start again (It'll still be better than DC, but that's not saying a lot).

deaf prosthetic superhereo… WIld ideas sure but do it right and thats gonna be one bada_s a_s kcker. Tell me more

The Original WingToday  03:33 pm JST

Can a deaf, Native American superhero with a prosthetic leg reinvigorate Disney's Marvel franchise

No. I think we need to make her dyslexic, albino, and anorexic as well, just to cover all our bases.

LegrandeToday  04:24 pm JST

No. I think we need to make her dyslexic, albino, and anorexic as well, just to cover all our bases.

You forgot to throw in transgender/LGBT.

How dare you assume the pronouns of a fictional character!

Disney is late to the game. In Living Color already did this many years ago.

youtube.com/watch?v=_xpQqhsZbyM

I can sense from the downvotes on my post that common satire is not a common virtue lol.

Im betting the movie will be busier than, you guessed it, a one legged man in an ……

Well, it seems that the series turned out as expected. https://youtu.be/weZfszs_d88

I would say better luck next time, but since Disney doesn't care about making anything of quality, why should I?

They say that the first step is to recognize the problem. But if South Park can so publicly shame them and they still don't care to self evaluate, oh well. R.I.P. M.I.C.K.E.Y M.O.U.S.E~.

What is the big deal? Let them try out new things, and if you don't personally enjoy it, leave it to others to enjoy. And if no one enjoys it and it fails, that's fine, too - it's what artists, comedians, actors, and other creative people do all the time.

Having a fit over so-called "wokeness" is just petty and stupid. Grow up.

girl_in_tokyo Jan. 12 08:21 am JST

What is the big deal? Let them try out new things, and if you don't personally enjoy it, leave it to others to enjoy.

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Having a fit over so-called "wokeness" is just petty and stupid. Grow up.

I would have agreed with this advice if it weren't for the fact that promoters of "the message" are socialist activists who themselves are not simply content on making media for an audience that may enjoy it, but are actively working to shut down individuals and companies that do not agree with that agenda. So you're attempt at being the voice of sanity with "Hey guys, how about enjoying the things you like and leaving others alone to enjoy the things they like" is in fact disingenuous.

There is a reason so many say, "I just wanted to play video games." Socialist activists fired the first shots at people who cared nothing about politics, let alone identity politics. Now that they too are awake, does it really surprise you that they are now firing back? But all this is just as the social engineers planned. "United We Stand" being the case, they promoted division among the population by flooding it with identity politics. It is the intergalactic rap battle that Del told everyone about years ago. Its instupituous! https://youtu.be/049f7q7v-lQ

As an addendum:

Suddenly, sub-text and themes became the main point of discussing a project or IP. The first question in every meeting became, “What can we say with this project?” or “What can we teach people with this story?” Plot, character and audience were now secondary, and sometimes not even discussed.

These new execs weren’t savvy and business-minded execs; they were young, with no track record or comprehension of the bottom line. When the streaming wars started and the money hose was turned on, those experienced executives started relying on these young guns to pick up the slack. But the kids were less focused on the Hero’s Journey and more concerned with taking down the patriarchy.

Which leads us to the next point. The reality is that for the past five years, white, straight, male writers and directors with experience and successful track records have been sidelined. We talk about it over coffee or after screenings: we’ve essentially been told that because of our race and gender, we need not apply. At one point my agent told me that they couldn’t put me up for any OWAs (open writing assignments) or TV staffing jobs because the execs only wanted to hear takes on the material from BIPOC or female or LGBTQ writers. Some shows even started instituting staffing quotas that 40 to 50 percent of the writing staff had to be people of color.

A Veteran Screenwriter’s Plot Twist on Hollywood’s DEI Cultural Shift ( https://filmthreat.com/features/an-open-letter-from-a-white-writer-to-the-film-tv-business-by-anonymous/ )

Here is your "Let them try out new things."

And to conclude with a quote from myself:

wokeness n. The quality or condition of being 'woke'

And what is the definition of 'Woke'?

woke adj. To be conscious of social inequalities as determined by an intersectionist perspective.

Jeffy ( https://japantoday.com/category/have-your-say/what-is-your-definition-of-the-word-wokeness )