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TokyoJoe
Great to see Depp back. That bed soiling nutty chick didn't ruin his career.
Goat
Education on the issue doesn't seem to go far beyond the textbook. The least teachers could do is connect it to the injustices done to the victims by the government as well and to other examples of pollution for economic gain. It's far from being just an issue of the past.
Hideomi Kuze
Many pollution disease, nuclear policy that caused Fukushima disaster, and corona virus measures that only increase victim,
Japan's arrogant politics that prioritizes benefit of large corporations or national policy than the lives still continues as ever.
snowymountainhell
Will be interesting to see and, …‘redemption’ for Depp?
snowymountainhell
Perhaps this is an account posters like @Antiquesavings have been trying to call attention to for so long about the J govt & businesses?
dagon
It was not until 1968 that the Japanese government recognized that Minamata disease was caused by industrial pollution and stopped the water discharge. It is considered one of four major pollution diseases in the country and taught in schools as an example of the negative impact of postwar Japan's rapid economic growth.
Unfortunately the same ruling LDP has not given up on its policies of denying recognition and compensation for victims of the corporatocracy. Case in point: TEPCO and Fukushima.
garymalmgren
In a clever bit of rebranding it is called "ittai-ittai byo" in Japan.
This movie will bring national shame, which is always a good motivator in this country.
I hope people will them turn their eyes back to the Daiichi nuclear plant in Fukushima.
It has certainly been forgotten by most of the populace.
gakinotsukai
It has to be a foreign film ...
Japan will never see itself in a mirror for that kind of event.
Waiting for the Fukushima one in 2051.
u_s__reamer
"I feel bitter to think that I might not have suffered if the government had valued the lives of people and stopped the discharge"
This realization of betrayal by corrupt government bureaucrats and their utter indifference to human suffering is what has led millions of angry voters around the world to the tipping point of desperation rendering them vulnerable and susceptible to the toxic snake oil sold by right-wing demagogues rather than educating themselves to understand the issues created by corporate greed in cahoots with government corruption that pose a threat to their well-being and even costing them their lives.
The director's hope of inspiring and uplifting people to try to advocate for each other, recognize that their voices can be heard, and take a stand when governments and corporations act against their best interests is a noble sentiment and laudable goal but, if the historical record does not lie, apparently asks too much from the millions whose ignorance and inertia never fail to deliver them into the clutches of powerful and unscrupulous actors who promise to provide them the pittance of bread and a feast of circuses. The bio-pic genre is usually thin gruel, but this film has an important story to tell and will certainly do some good, just as the director and his team with Johnny Depp hope.
Jtsnose
This was a tragic incident, and I remember seeing photos of it in the Life magazine as a child . . . it is important for people outside of Japan to know of it . . . .
stormcrow
Excellent idea to make a movie about Minamata. Where greed and corruption meet.
This is a topic that most Japanese don't discuss so often if at all. As human beings, it's questionable about how much economic development is good and when does it go insane as it did in Minamata. It also reminds me of the problem in Flint, Michigan and their toxic water problems. It's a serious problem that isn't just history but one that's very much still with us, and often it's the politicians who are covering it up, as in Flint, Michigan.
ian
As Depp said this has happened and is happening all over the world.
The greed of corporations is a given. Profits over lives.
But the bigger tragedy is that those who are supposed to protect the people, the government, turning their backs on those they should be protecting
dan
Profits over people's health.
Greed over openness and truth.
This is the face capitalist ( communist) endless need for greed over human and environmental health.
Humans will never learn.
casadeoctane
That's how to get un-canceled. Make something the woke brigade simply can't criticize. Hats off!
kwatt
In 1960s factories dumped as much polluted/poison water as into river and sea. There were no pollution laws at that time. Locals were suffered from minamata disease by water pollution there. That was a disgrace for Japan.
Kobe White Bar Owner
“"I studied about Minamata disease last year in history class, but the movie was so real. The problem is far more serious than I thought," said Mami Matsukawa, 15, who was among some 180 students who watched the film at the public Kojimachi Junior High School.”
yup people should question more about what they have been taught about historical events!
Kobe White Bar Owner
Was the government planning to dump something in the sea soon up at fukashima? History repeats itself.
kwatt
All nuclear reactor power plants sitting nearby river/river all over the world are dumping diluted tritium water (by IAEA guide line) from the plants into river/sea because they use a lot of water to cool nuclear reactors and dump the water into river/sea finally.
kwatt
correction: .........sitting nearby river/sea all over the world...........
ShinkansenCaboose
What is next? Love Canal, Flint, Three Mile Island?
This immoral hands on other people should retire.
ShinkansenCaboose
It is called Minamata disease and everyone around the world contaminated with Mercury knows the name and why it is named.
Enjoy your bluefin tonight for dinner.
Pukey2
Sounds like another 'white man saves the locals' movie.
Antiquesaving
Pukey2Today 10:12 am JST
It is more like a foreign investigative journalist!
He may have happened to be white but could have been any colour but had to be a foreign journalist.
As we are seeing right now in the present health crisis, as we saw with tainted blood, HIV and hepatitis C, etc... The government did what it could to withhold information, downplay the situation, and the Japanese Media just continued to publish and repeat the official government line not once questioning it, not once taking the risk and going deeper and investigating.
It took over 10 year after acknowledging Minamata for the government to admit it knew the source, it took longer to find out part of who kept the information from the people, Tainted blood took the same 10 year then 20 years for the documents to show up that showed the government knew all along. Hepatitis C the same, etc...
What is next? Fukushima, Covid,.....?
If this shows one thing, it is time for the Japanese journalists and new organisations to stand up and do their job and get to the bottom of the story, get the facts and question the government's "official" line.
nandakandamanda
Itai-itai byō, the ouch-ouch sickness.
Just terrible.
Laguna
My hometown of Los Angeles has a similar problem with PCBs spread over the seabed. They're still cleaning it up. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bayer-lawsuit-los-angeles-idUSKCN1T02DJ
jeancolmar
Here is something else. Thugs were hired to beat up Eugene Smith. He was blinded until brought back by surgery. This is how dirty Japanese capitalism could get to hide the truth.
Kumagaijin
Depp is an amazing actor. Looking forward to watching this when its released. September 23rd is my birthday too. Stoked!
Ego Sum Lux Mundi
The LDP-Keidanren-Kokkakomuin nexus is sure gonna be hopping mad about this movie. Probably accuse it of being financed by the Chinese government.
WA4TKG
Wow…
Alfie Noakes
In 1972 Smith went with a group of plaintiffs in the case to attend a meeting with Chisso executives at a factory in Chiba. They were attacked by a group of thugs and Smith was beaten unconscious, nearly losing an eye. He never really recovered and died a few years later in Arizona aged 59.
Jonathan Prin
When I was 15, we watched at school The List of Schindler and photos of what a corrupted nation coud do as ultimate harm.
At that age, you should be reminded with all facts. That is education.
I am European and I see that in Asia they don't know their history at all.
Minamata should be an on going topic discussed regularly.
Japanese tend not to be able to criticize at all obvious human done catastrophes by fear of governement. My Japanese educated colleagues never discussed any thing of the past Japan.
I wonder if actress Minami is fearing for her career has not to give her last name.
Covid 19, will be another story to unfold in the future for Japan by a gaikokujin.
Jonathan Prin
Johny Depp if a formidable actor by the way, starting from 21 Jump street.
igfklin
You mean "itai-itai byo"?
"Itai-itai disease (Itai-itai byo)" and "Minamata disease (Minamata byo)" are two different pollution diseases.
"Ittai-ittai byo" is a disease that occurred in Toyama, and "Minamata disease" is a disease that occurred in Kumamoto.
Please study more.
igfklin
Do foreigners think that "Itai-itai disease (Itai-itai byo)" and "Minamata disease (Minamata byo)" are the same disease?
igfklin
Itai-itai disease - toyama 1910
Minamata disease - kumamoto 1956
Bob Fosse
Errr. No.
igfklin
Why did "garymalmgren" think that "Itai-itai disease" and "Minamata disease" were the same disease?
And there was no one to correct the mistake except me.
igfklin
What are you talking about?
"Minami" is her stage name. It's also her real name.
https://www.instagram.com/minamimanim/
Helix
This film is the only way the japanese public will really learn about Minamata. I wonder how many will watch it though.
Antiquesaving
Minamata is just the most well known internationally of the Corporate/government collusion in covering up pollution and health crisises.
Toyama cadmium, the Yokkaichi sulfur dioxide, the tainted blood for both hepatitis C and HIV, all of which the ministry of health has some form of knowledge of the causes but either took no action or actively helped cover things up for decades.
More recently we have Fukushima and Covid, both situations the government claims everything is just fine despite signs all is not fine in either case.
This has been a clear pattern by the LDP and industry in Japan, so take what the government claims with a very big grain of salt.
snowymountainhell
Nice to see some ‘balance’ of ‘perspectives’ @Antiquesavings is back in these threads:
BackpackingNepal
60s to 90s, foreign films were praising all about Japan and now they are making anything that is a problem in Japan but this Earth itself has problem everywhere whether by nature or people.
Anyway, no matter what they say or what they show, i love Japan, it will always be my Top 5 Country in the world.
Antiquesaving
snowymountainhellToday 03:25 pm JST
Thanks, family emergency, made more difficult by the fact, hospitals are in a mess and getting my son into his regular hospital was a nightmare due to covid.
If as the government says things are getting better, why is it so hard to get a chronicly ill person into the hospital that has been going to since he was a very young child and where his surgeons are?
Minamata was the most publicised but not the only one and I doubt we have seen the end of similar situations,
Here we are decades later and again Japanese journalists are saying nothing, they are not asking questions and the only journalist that are asking the hard questions are foreign news outlets again!
albaleo
I've read that he went with a group of activists to meet Chisso trade unionists.
My understanding of Smith's role in the Minamata thing was in creating international interest. It had been an ongoing thing in Japan for a long time before, and many Japanese activists, scientists, journalists, etc. had helped to get things resolved (perhaps not the best word considering those who continued to suffer).
commanteer
It has mostly positive reviews from the critics, even more from the audience - so I don't know where your information comes from.
Ah_so
You've really got a bee in your bonnet on this topic.
And while your question is insincere, I am happy to have a go at answering it.
The cases are typically covered together in literature about Japan that covers the great industrial pollution cases in Japan, so it is hardly surprising that people might confuse the two.
I am not sure why you are making such a big deal about this.
kyushubill
Homeboy has not aged well at all.
Dude you played Hunter S. Thompson as a character, let it go already bro.
garypen
Incorrect.
The movie has an IMDB rating of 7.8 out of 10; a Rotten Tomatoes critic's score of 73%; and, an RT audience score of 92%.
From out of thin air, it seems.
jeancolmar
This is one of best threads JT has had for some time. Please keep it going for a while more.
Wolfpack
This is a movie based on historical fact. Is it not possible for you to believe that such men (you know, white) to do good things for people unlike themselves?
bokuda
Just watched it.
Great movie.
I realized that Japan hasn't changed much since post-war.
MilesTeg
We can see even on this thread that some Japanese are unable to accept and acknowledge anything negative about their country even if it's an undeniable fact. Their oversensitivity, nationalistic education system, and pride even extends to their own citizens. Many victims of Minamata Byo have been criticized, insulted, and even attacked for demanding recognition and compensation. They side with the gov't and Chisso corp over people who are clearly victims of a massive attempt at a coverup.
sunfunbun
Minimata is another example of Japan's culture leading to non transparency, and it allows for hiding things the people of Japan should know and acknowledge. This pervades to the population and it's tough to watch society have lies and secrets which if they don't acknowledge, gets swept under the genkan.
Actually, the lack of integrity and truth is detrimental to their humanity and souls, as it were. Far too many people believe it's fine to not have reasoning on a daily basis in lieu of rules and following orders. For the free nation of Japan, it is unfortunate the people are often self shackled in doubt and ignorance, with shame they don't understand, but know it is there.
It ultimately is a lack of courage and self worth to lie, and the Japanese know it, but then won't buck the lies, they'll live them, as a rule.
Danielsan
It would be nice if Mr. Depp could also make a movie about the millions of folks in America and other countries who have been slowly, subtly, poisoned by the disposal of industrial waste in freshwater reservoirs used for drinking water under the guise of "dental health."
OssanAmerica
Absolutely correct. Itai Itai Disease was cadmium poisoning in the early 1912. Minamata Disease was Mercury poisoning in the 1956.
Don't know how old you are but the "Japanese public" has known about Minamata for over 6 decades. Maybe you are talking about 20 year olds who don't know anything about anything. Minamata is one of the reasons many Japanese find the "mercury" argument by anti-whaling fanatics that the j-govt is allowing mercury tainted meat to be sold.
ReynardFox
Are you talking about water fluoridation?? You mean that thing they’ve been doing for decades? That thing the medial community the world over agrees is a powerful tool to help fend off tooth decay with no measurable downside?
Do you want them to stop iodizing salt, too?
Tom San
The next one might be a collaboration with Michael Moore.
Sanjinosebleed
Could have been modelled on Fukushima today….not much has changed really…