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All for the "freedom" and "democracy" of the world !!!..

The same pathetic excuse..

Thanks US..

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The US condemned the Japanese for 731 lab experiments on humans then basically said, “thanks we’ll take over from here” and used them in Vietnam.

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Russia and Putin are thought to be evil. America is no different. America is evil, too.

I have been to Vietnam. I was surprised by the number of people who appeared to be suffering from birth defects. There were still a lot.

I went up to the mountains when they were still building the Ho Chi Minh Highway. That was hilltribe country. It must have required enormous amounts of chemicals to destroy trees there. On one of my visits to Vietnam, maybe 2005, in one hilltribe village I saw a lady who had quite recently suffered an injury from an unexploded weapon.

Search for photographs by Philip Jones Griffiths. I went to a lecture in Tokyo given by him and arranged by a friend of mine. He showed many horrific photos of the effects of Agent Orange. He photographed Vietnam during the war there and went back to take more photos of the after-effects of the war.

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first at all Vietnam war was an american agression.

they brought there war,killed many innocent civilinas,used agent orange to destroy people lives...

all time same sad story...how many wars after 1945 were started by americans and how many people they have killed for its own interests?

will this stop at some point one day???

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EastmanToday  11:45 am JST

first at all Vietnam war was an american agression.

they brought there war,killed many innocent civilinas,used agent orange to destroy people lives...

Except for the fact it was French aggression, who bought the war and killed many civilians.

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The dropping of Agent Orange was very evil.

"Some 4.8 million Vietnamese are estimated to have been exposed to Agent Orange, while 3 million people are believed to suffer illnesses as a result, experts say. The toxic defoliant also impacted the health of U.S. servicepeople."

Estimates for the number of North Vietnamese civilian deaths resulting from US bombing range from 30,000–65,000.

The French have advanced the rough figure of 500,000 Vietnamese killed during the Indochina War, apparently including civilians. More methodically sound estimations put the number at 300,000.

The Vietnam VETS were madly treated when they returned home. They mainly noticed that people seemed uncomfortable around them and did not appear interested in hearing about their wartime experiences.

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@ Painkiller

It may have been the French who started it, but after they were defeated it was America that took over and did carried out the bulk of the killing.

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Hello Kitty 321Today  02:13 pm JST

It may have been the French who started it, but after they were defeated it was America that took over and did carried out the bulk of the killing.

As to my point, it was the French who started the war.

And about 100 years early the French had waged war in Vietnam, which gave rise to the Vietnam war.

And the US did not takeover and carry out the bulk of the killing. The US was supporting the Vietnam forces in the south--it had turned into a full-blown civil war. French killed Vietnamese. The US killed Vietnamese. The Vietnamese killed Vietnamese.

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And about 100 years early the French had waged war in Vietnam, which gave rise to the Vietnam war.

???

The First Indochina War began in French Indochina on December 19, 1946, and lasted until July 20, 1954. 

 The US Vietnam War was a conflict in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from 1 November 1955 to the fall of Saigon on 30 April 1975.

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As to my point, it was the French who started the war.

And it was the Americans who put the French there after the Japanese were defeated. Vietnamese, including Ho Chi Minh, helped the Allied forces fight the Japanese. Once victorious, Ho Chi Minh sought independence and even alliance with the US (he quoted Lincoln). Instead, the US (Truman) handed the country back to France, as though it was their property to trade. Decades of war and death could have been avoided had the US given Vietnam even basic consideration.

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commanteerToday  02:48 pm JST

And it was the Americans who put the French there after the Japanese were defeated. Vietnamese, including Ho Chi Minh, helped the Allied forces fight the Japanese.

You sure about that?

On June 6, 1884, Treaty of Huế was signed, dividing Vietnam into three regions: Tonkin, Annam and Cochinchina, each under three different separate regimes. Cochinchina was a French colony, while Tonkin and Annam were protectorates, and the Nguyễn court was put under French supervision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_conquest_of_Vietnam#:~:text=Having%20consolidated%20their%20power%20in%20Cochinchina%2C%20the%20French,their%20sphere%20of%20influence%20and%20sent%20troops%20there.

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wallaceToday  02:38 pm JST

???

Read the above for the answer.

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Read the above for the answer.

This does not change the fact you are incorrect

And about 100 years early the French had waged war in Vietnam,

The First Indochina War began in French Indochina on December 19, 1946, and lasted until July 20, 1954.

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wallaceToday  03:40 pm JST

This does not change the fact you are incorrect

It reinforces the fact you are incorrect.

And about 100 years early the French had waged war in Vietnam,

The First Indochina War began in French Indochina on December 19, 1946, and lasted until July 20, 1954.

So? This is unrelated to the fact the French waged war in Vietnam in the 1800s.

Here you go:

On June 6, 1884, Treaty of Huế was signed, dividing Vietnam into three regions: Tonkin, Annam and Cochinchina, each under three different separate regimes. Cochinchina was a French colony, while Tonkin and Annam were protectorates, and the Nguyễn court was put under French supervision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_conquest_of_Vietnam#:~:text=Having%20consolidated%20their%20power%20in%20Cochinchina%2C%20the%20French,their%20sphere%20of%20influence%20and%20sent%20troops%20there.

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Back on topic please.

It was the United States, with minor assistance from its allies, which enabled, prosecuted and escalated the war in Vietnam to include mass bombings of cities, the bombing of Laos and Cambodia, and the use of chemical weapons such as Agent Orange and napalm. It was the United States which was primarily physically and morally responsible for a death toll of between 1 and 2 million people, maybe more, and it is the United States which in the decades since the war ended has steadfastly refused to apologise for any of the death and destruction for which it was responsible, and neither has it paid any reparations. The US attitude towards Vietnam is a long, long way from the Marshall Plan, or the reconstruction of Japan. I guess the mistake the North Vietnamese made was to win the war.

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BigYenToday  04:59 pm JST

It was the United States, with minor assistance from its allies, which enabled, prosecuted and escalated the war in Vietnam to include mass bombings of cities

Yes, and no. With over half a million Vietnamese killed by the French, the war had already reached escalation.

The US was assisting the South Vietnamese government to defend their country; just as the French assisted the American colonies against Britain.

And the use of chemical agents at the time saved Vietnamese lives.

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painkiller:

Mainly no.

Reached escalation”

Meaningless. No matter how escalated, a war can always be escalated further. As we see with the use of chemical weapons such as Agent Orange and napalm, the use of heavy bombers against cities, and the spreading of the war into neighbouring countries.

The US was assisting

The US was continuing its crusade against Communism, no matter what the cost in lives to the native population.

the use of chemical agents at the time saved Vietnamese lives

It cost Vietnamese lives. It continues to cost Vietnamese lives. Read the article.

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I got an email from the VA yesterday, August 17, 2022, almost 50 years to the day I returned from Vietnam.

”The PACT Act is now law. This expands presumptive disabilities, VA care, and benefits to Veterans suffering from more than 20 toxic exposure-related conditions. Learn more about the PACT Act by visiting VA.gov/PACT”

It only took half a century.

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BigYenToday  07:52 pm JST

Mainly no.

Meaningless. No matter how escalated, a war can always be escalated further. As we see with the use of chemical weapons such as Agent Orange and napalm, the use of heavy bombers against cities, and the spreading of the war into neighbouring countries.

The US was continuing its crusade against Communism, no matter what the cost in lives to the native population. 

It cost Vietnamese lives. It continues to cost Vietnamese lives. Read the article.

So intriguing why anytime the US is involved in something, if another country also had some involvement, the goal is to disregard entirely that other country, and focus just on the US.

Read up some history, and you will see how the French conquered not just Vietnam but several other neighboring countries.

Incredible someone can discount 500,000 lives of the Vietnamese killed by the French.

Regardless of what crusade you believe the US was on, the fact is that the South Vietnam government was fighting against the North---I guess they were on a crusade against communism.

The US was supporting the South Vietnamese and by doing so saved hundreds of thousands of lives from the more brutal North VC.

And the country that takes in more Vietnamese immigrants that any other country? The USA.

Seems like the Vietnamese who got out of Vietnam are grateful to the US

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The United States has always been paranoid about communism and its war in Vietnam had nothing to do with saving the lives of the South Vietnamese and more to do with commies under the bed. McCarthyism was a national sickness.

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the duopoly fascist regime of UsA had caused miseries and sufferings wherever it goes. I wonder why the current Japanese regime still inviting this demon to be partner in so many military alliances like Quad, AKSUS.....to counter an imaginary enemy. UsA is a warmonger, instigator and war provocateur!!

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General Westmoreland can be famously heard and seen on video during the war explaining that life is cheap in the Orient because life is plentiful, and they don’t have the same respect for life as “we” do. It’s on YouTube. Check it out.

That explains a lot.

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So intriguing why anytime the US is involved in something, if another country also had some involvement, the goal is to disregard entirely that other country, and focus just on the US.

So intriguing why when the US is involved in war crimes, its apologists will do and say anything rather than admit to it. Why is it that the US supports the prosecution of war criminals from other countries, but absolutely refuses not only to allow itself to be judged by the same standards, but even to admit responsibility for what it's done?

Read up some history, and you will see how the French conquered not just Vietnam but several other neighboring countries.

One of the many items I've read on the subject is Stanley Karnow's Vietnam. Read it for an unbiased account, including some things I found uncomfortable reading from my perspective.

Incredible someone can discount 500,000 lives of the Vietnamese killed by the French.

All too believable that when weighing up the balance, US apologists can ignore the two million-plus lives that that the US-Vietnam war cost, not to mention the collateral damage of bombing and the use of chemical weapons, the fallout from which continues to this day and which is the main subject of this article. Did you even read it?

And the country that takes in more Vietnamese immigrants that any other country? The USA.

Seems like the Vietnamese who got out of Vietnam are grateful to the US

There are 185,000 Vietnamese refugees in Australia, 1.4 million in the US. I'd say per head of population, that puts Australia ahead, not that it's a competition. The Vietnamese diaspora in Australia is one of the best things that ever happened to this country, but then considering the role that the US and its ally/lackey Australia played in the Vietnam War, it's only right that both countries should have provided refuge for those who found themselves on the wrong side of history.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/vietnamese-immigrants-united-states

https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/vietnamese-refugees-boat-arrival

The US was supporting the South Vietnamese and by doing so saved hundreds of thousands of lives from the more brutal North VC.

How? By killing millions more? Do the (brutal) math.

the fact is that the South Vietnam government was fighting against the North---I guess they were on a crusade against communism.

Sure. Names like Diem, Thieu and Ky weren't really bywords for corruption, they were paragons of democracy as we know it. (Sarcasm off).

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