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Rolling Stones warn Trump of legal action over song use

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I think he should use Creep by Radiohead:

But I'm a creep

I'm a weirdo

What the hell am I doing here?

I don't belong here

Can anyone come up with a better suggestion?

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That’s a good suggestion... but Radiohead probably wouldn’t want to be associated with him either.

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@ Ah_so

Good choice. But it's also such a good song it would be ruined by association ;-)

I'd go for Hurt (Johnny Cash cover). Chorus and 1st couple of lines of 2nd verse are so apt....

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I'd go for Hurt (Johnny Cash cover). Chorus and 1st couple of lines of 2nd verse are so apt....

Good choice:

And you could have it all

My empire of dirt

I will let you down

I will make you hurt

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Just to make it clear, this is just the latest in a long line of attempts by the Stones to stop Trump using their song at rallies. From the Variety report on this:

“This could be the last time President Donald Trump uses Stones songs,” reads the headline to a release sent out by the Stones’ reps. “Despite cease & desist directives to Donald Trump in the past, the Rolling Stones are taking further steps to exclude him using their songs at any of his future political campaigning."

https://variety.com/2020/music/news/rolling-stones-trump-rallies-bmi-stop-use-cant-always-get-what-you-want-1234692381/

0 ( +5 / -5 )

'Lump' - The Presidents of the United States of America.

And 'Lump' can be replaced with 'Trump' in the song to great effect!

Lump sat alone in a boggy marsh

Totally emotionless except for her (his) heart...

Lump lingered last in line for brains

And the one she (he) got was sorta rotten and insane...

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

Trump should write his own songs. I know he would love to write a song about himself.

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Why even the need to play music at a political rally?

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

They said the exact same thing 4 years ago.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

American Idiot, obvs

1 ( +9 / -8 )

Bad Romance, by Lady Gaga.

Some choice lyrics from the song:

I want your ugly

I want your disease

I want your everything

As long as it’s free

I want your love

I want your horror

I want your design

‘Cuz you’re a criminal

As long as you’re mine

I'M A FREE BTCH BABY*

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

However, I don't think Gaga likes the man-child, so he probably wouldn't get permission. Anyway.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

OK, how about some lyrics from You Can't Always Get What You Want itself, one of the many lines from the song I'll bet they don't play (or can't hear) at Trump's rallies?

"I went down to the demonstration... to get my fair share of abuse..."

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Trump keeps stealing music. Refuses to stop. I'd like to see a 2 BILLION dollar settlement.

Remember those huge fines people were getting over file sharing? The GOP has exempted themselves. The rule of law does not apply to them.

VOTE BLUE

0 ( +11 / -11 )

Samurai blue.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

Good luck with that. Just Google the topic and you will soon see The Rolling Stones are just blowing hot air (through their bad teeth)....

-6 ( +10 / -16 )

Jonny Rotten’s “My Way”?

but can kind of understand the choice of The Rolling Stones. White, redneck, middle aged men love them.

-10 ( +1 / -11 )

you can't always get what you want

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but can kind of understand the choice of The Rolling Stones. White, redneck, middle aged men love them.

I think you're presenting an inaccurate picture of their fan base. The photo of the crowd at a Trump rally the other day in JT didn't have many middle-aged rednecks in it. They seemed to be mainly young, both sexes. Just one mask between the lot of them.

Whatever, it doesn't seem like the Rolling Stones love Donald Trump, or his misuse of their music.

And btw, it wasn't Johnny Rotten who did a version of My Way. It was Sid Vicious.

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you can't always get what you want

Beat me to it, geronimo!

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

@bigyen

thanks, my age is catching up.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Mick Jagger probably loves Trump...I think Trump rented an apartment to him at his Trump tower when he was living in NY.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

"Can anyone come up with a better suggestion?"

Wecome to my Nightmare?

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Bon Jovi's "Bad Medicine".

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Beck’s “I’m a Loser”

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'Loser' by the Plastiscenes

'Traitor' by Motorhead

'Fascist Groove Thing' by Heaven 13

'World Leader Pretend' by REM

'Criminal' by Fiona Apple

There's plenty of other themes for him, some of them obscene.

Here's a Rolling Stones song for Trumptreason - 'Sweet Neo-Con'.

And here's one from RUSH. 'Big Money', got no soul!!!!!!!!!

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Haaa NemuiToday  01:02 pm JST

Beck’s “I’m a Loser”

I was thinking the same thing!!

The refrain, why don't you kill me, is a little much though.

The forces of evil in a bozo nightmare

Ban all the music with the phony gas chamber

'Cause one's got a weasel and the other's got a flag

One's on the pole, shove the other in a bag

With the rerun shows and the cocaine nose-job

The daytime crap of the folksinger slob

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Or, Just How Low by Robert Cray

Why you wanna pull us down and separate

We come with all kinds of customs and colors and features

That's what makes this country great

United, do you know what that means?

Why you wanna go around from town to town

Dousing us with gasoline

One never knows

Just how low

Someone might go

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viking68

Yeah I agree, that part is too much. I almost didn’t post it because of that.

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I think he should use Creep by Radiohead:

I think "I'm still standing" by Elton John or "Never Surrender" by Corey Hart would be better choices.

But we also have:

ABC-Many happy returns

Adam Ant-Stand and deliver

Boo Yaa Tribe-Retaliate

Bootsy Collins-Body Slam

The Brothers Johnson-Stomp!

Bruce Hornsby-The way it is

Chicago-Alive again

The Clash-Clampdown

E-40-Can't stop the boss!

The Who-Won't get fooled again

These are all songs that would without a doubt move his base.

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They've been previously sending Trump cease-and-desist notifications, but he didn't stop using their song

The threat of lawsuit is just the last legal resort

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They've been previously sending Trump cease-and-desist notifications, but he didn't stop using their song

The threat of lawsuit is just the last legal resort

But to be fair to Trump, it's not him deciding and taking these songs, it's his campaign staff and they should know better. They can't just use music from another artist without approval and royalty fees, they should have absolutely known better. If I were Trump, someone would get fired.

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Just find music made by someone who doesn’t despise the idea of being associated with him.

It certainly narrows the field down incredibly but it’s more decent.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

It certainly narrows the field down incredibly but it’s more decent.

You don't know that, but for the crazy Hollywood liberal moonbats, it does.

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GoodlucktoyouToday 12:03 pm JST

@bigyen

thanks, my age is catching up.

Don't worry about it, sport, happens to me all the time. Anyway, you know what they say - if you can remember the 70s (or the 60s) you weren't really there. :)

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Talking Heads - Burning Down the House

Ah

Watch out, you might get what you're after

Cool, babies! Strange but not a stranger

I'm an ordinary guy

Burning down the house

Hold tight, wait 'til the party's over

Hold tight, we're in for nasty weather

There has got to be a way

Burning down the house

Here's your ticket, pack your bag, it's time for jumping overboard

The transportation is here

Close enough but not too far, maybe you know where you are

Fighting fire with fire, ah!

All wet, here, you might need a raincoat

Shakedown, dreams walking in broad daylight

Three hundred sixty-five degrees

Burning down the house

It was once upon a place, sometimes I listen to myself

Gonna come in first place

People on their way to work say, “Baby, what did you expect?”

Gonna burst into flame, ah!

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It certainly narrows the field down incredibly but it’s more decent.

You don't know that, but for the crazy Hollywood liberal moonbats, it does.

The Stones are a British rock band. What have they got to do ‘with crazy Hollywood liberal moonbats’? ‘Sir Mick’ has certainly lost his anti-establishment credentials.

Get Ted Nugent. His songs are crap but he’s a MAGA type.

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Pence could sing 'Kissing a fool'.

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The Stones do not have a legal leg to stand on. The venue pays the music rights, not the event renting the venue. The baseball stadium pays for the music, not the team. Trump is not using the music, the venue is.

If the Stones don't want their music played, they need to take it off the market which means it will not be played on radio stations either.

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

Get Ted Nugent. His songs are crap but he’s a MAGA type.

Draft dodging pedo, yeah sounds about right.

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Very good !!, sue the fascist clown !!..

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@Kentarogaijin

Sue him for what? The maker of a suit cannot ban a criminal from wearing it in court, the maker of a car cannot sue the bank robber for driving it. The maker of N95 masks cannot stop an abortion doctor from using them.

The only way to stop people you don't like from using your product is to stop selling the product.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

@proxy

The key there is the licensing of the product. Without license to use the product it’s theft. A criminal wearing a suit in court can’t be stopped from wearing the suit if they’ve legally purchased it but can be done for it if the the suit is stolen.

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Sue him for what? The maker of a suit cannot ban a criminal from wearing it in court, the maker of a car cannot sue the bank robber for driving it. The maker of N95 masks cannot stop an abortion doctor from using them.

Ok, none of these have any relevance to IP laws. Why are you bringing up useless information that is entirely irrelevant to the conversation? Are you going to start telling us what you ate for lunch next?

Or, maybe we could keep it on topic instead.

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Never could understand the rational behind using that song. Oh wait... I might not WANT a kick in the ass...

He has no more privilege to use that song, than I have to name and market a strain of pot 'TRUMP'. My target audience, by the way, those that can no longer think for themselves, but only of themselves.

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Ok, none of these have any relevance to IP laws. Why are you bringing up useless information that is entirely irrelevant to the conversation?

Those examples are not entirely irrelevant. Virtually every music act in the world signs with a label, and they agree to various licensing & distribution deals by doing so. Any group, including political campaigns, can pay a licensing fee to use any song from a large catalog at a public event. The Rolling Stones, like any other act, is in that catalog. They don't retain exclusive control over when and where their songs are played.

For decades, this political posturing has played like a broken record. Such-and-such artist complains about such-and-such politician playing a song at rallies. The act blusters about it in the media with threats of lawyers. In the end, everybody knows that a lawsuit to prevent use of the song stands zero chance of success. The Stones, like other musicians before them, are milking the publicity. They get their names in the news. They get to distance themselves from a politician they don't like, and that they presume their fans don't like. They effectively make a free campaign donation against that candidate through the negative publicity. They know the campaign won't roll over and give up the right to play the song, but the longer the band can make a stink about it, the more they think it will hurt the candidate and help the band.

There's no evidence that this is politically effective--it didn't stop Bush from being reelected, and it didn't stop Trump from being elected--but it repeats without fail every presidential election cycle.

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These are all songs that would without a doubt move his base.

best theme song for Trump:

*Im an a*hole: Denis Leary

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The Stones are a British rock band. What have they got to do ‘with crazy Hollywood liberal moonbats’?

They associate with them a lot, so by default.

‘Sir Mick’ has certainly lost his anti-establishment credentials.*

Is that significant? 

Get Ted Nugent. His songs are crap but he’s a MAGA type.

Yeah and liberals get James Taylor, yaaawn....lol

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Or another for Trumps handling of the pandemic

let the bodies hit the floor: Drowning Pool

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He’ll get a warning, but becoming a convicted individual....impossible.

he already been convicted and fined for charity fraud/theft

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Trump should keep using it. The Supreme Court legalized illegal immigration. The Stones don't stand a chance in court.

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bass4funk

   The Stones are a British rock band. What have they got to do ‘with crazy Hollywood liberal moonbats’?

They associate with them a lot, so by default.

You don't know that, and if you did you would know that it's incorrect

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@Strangerland Trump is not using their music, the venue is. The stones have licensed their music through ASCAP or other and the venue pays ASCAP. If the Stones want to pick who can use their music they needed to have had that in their agreement to whoever they sold their music license to. The Stones are getting paid. It is all above board. The maker of a suit does have IP. It is very similar. The IP holder of the suit design could certainly require anyone purchasing their suit sign a form saying that they will not wear it in a court.

Most buildings have IP. You cannot take a photo of the Eiffel Tower or Tokyo tower and sell it without a lisence. But if the owners of the Eiffelt tower sell a license of an image to be used on t-shirts, they have no recourse if a stripper buys a licensed t-shirt and uses it as part of her show. The only option the owner of the Eiffel tower IP has is to stop selling licenses or when they do, include a clause that the maker of the t-shirts has everyone buying a t-shirt to agree not to use it in a strip show.

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@Haaa Nemui

The venue does have a license and the Rolling Stones are actually getting paid.

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he already been convicted

And acquitted twice.

You don't know that, and if you did you would know that it's incorrect.

No, I’m not wrong, been part of Hollywood and still do business with them, of course the Stones are deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine, always have been since they’ve been in the US and music scene.

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No, I’m not wrong, been part of Hollywood and still do business with them

Me too and I am the official agent for Tom Cruise

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No, I’m not wrong, been part of Hollywood and still do business with them, of course the Stones are deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine, always have been since they’ve been in the US and music scene

An explanation of the Stones being ‘deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine’ would be useful.

Which ‘liberal moonbats’ do the Stones associate with?

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An explanation of the Stones being ‘deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine’ would be useful. 

Their largest fan base is in the US, they own property in the US, they deal with businesses in the US, their kids, the list goes on and on, of course they’re deeply entrenched with.

Which ‘liberal moonbats’ do the Stones associate with?

Take your pick.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

No, I’m not wrong, been part of Hollywood and still do business with them, of course the Stones are deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine, always have been since they’ve been in the US and music scene.

You don't know that. Charlie Watts when not touring spends all his time on his SW England horse farm, except when making music with his Jazz band. Keith Richards spends his time at his home. Ron Woods is mainly in the UK. Jagger spends most of his time in Europe. None of them have any time for politics.

So you only have personal speculations not facts.

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You don't know that.

I actually do.

Charlie Watts when not touring spends all his time on his SW England horse farm,

I wasn’t just talking about Watts.

Keith Richards spends his time at his home.

As well as doing a lot of side business dealings and investments in the States.

Jagger spends most of his time in Europe.

As well as having homes in the US where he also spends a lot of time in.

None of them have any time for politics.

That’s not true.

So you only have personal speculations not facts

Not speculation.

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An explanation of the Stones being ‘deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine’ would be useful. 

Their largest fan base is in the US, they own property in the US, they deal with businesses in the US, their kids, the list goes on and on, of course they’re deeply entrenched with.

Nothing about the liberal Hollywood machine here.

None of them have any time for politics.

That’s not true

Tell us about how they are involved in politics.

Which ‘liberal moonbats’ do the Stones associate with?

Take your pick

I don’t know who qualifies as a ‘liberal moonbat’. Tell me what that means and give me some names.

Bass, you do realize you have offered absolutely nothing concrete in support of your assertions here, don’t you?

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wtfjapanToday  01:28 am JST

Or another for Trumps handling of the pandemic

let the bodies hit the floor: Drowning Pool

'Spreading the Disease' by Queensryche

'Little Tin God' by Don Henley

'Cruel' by Bryan Ferry

'Man With No Soul' by Lucinda Williams (it truly IS about him!)

'Pigs' by Pink Floyd

'Sick Boy' by Social Distortion

'Mothers of the Disappeared' by U2 (for all the ethnic kids he snatched and caged)

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An explanation of the Stones being ‘deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine’ would be useful.

Indeed.

Their largest fan base is in the US, they own property in the US, they deal with businesses in the US, their kids, the list goes on and on, of course they’re deeply entrenched with.

I see. That could describe a lot of people.

largest (only?) fan base is in the US -Trump - check

owns property in the US -Trump - check

deals with businesses in the US -Trump - check

kids -Trump - check

Trump is deeply connected to the liberal Hollywood insider machine??

Really??

Invalid CSRF

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@proxy

@Haaa Nemui

The venue does have a license and the Rolling Stones are actually getting paid.

That still doesn't mean the campaign has the right to use the music.

https://www.ascap.com/~/media/files/pdf/advocacy-legislation/political_campaign.pdf

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Music has always been present in or at American political rally's, political events. Since the birth of politics.

It is an interesting topic to study.

I remember talking to a guy once that went to Woodstock the whole things political he said. I asked him what did he take away from Woodstock? He said and understanding of capitalism and electric Kool-Aid laced with LSD.

ln mild protest here if I may. Jagger and Stones have been around forever. Allot of the music older than the hills and twice as dusty. It should have n expiration date on it.

Brian May of Queen has asked the President to stop using Queen songs. Host of others. Neil Young. Go home and cry to Mama! Remember William Jefferson (Slick Willy) Clinton used Fleetwood Macs track. Don't stop. Obama used a few too. Its music. Its put out there and meant to be shared. I think for Mick this is a means to stay revilement possibly? I never listened to the Stones. Not my vibe. Lets not forget Bill Clinton took a 1977 hit song that peaked at number three on the Billboard charts and repurposed it as his own, going so far as to convince the long-disbanded Fleetwood Mac to reunite for a special performance at his 1993 inaugural ball. Which is cool. Don't Stop proved to be such a malleable theme song that Clinton still uses it regularly; he plays it at fundraisers and speeches, he name-checked it at the 2000 Democratic National Convention and this year in Denver, he walked on stage to the track in 2020. You know what. Who cares. The world is to sensitive.

Are you not entertained? Gladiator!

Pretty soon were all going to be living in bubbles/pods like the Matrix. Where me make our own reality and own little world. Its coming!

Wake up!

Wake up!

Wake up!

Come on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg

I think I heard a shot!

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Slickdrifter

Remember William Jefferson (Slick Willy) Clinton used Fleetwood Macs track. Don't stop

The Clintons named their daughter Chelsea after 'Chelsea Morning', a piece of Muzak. And Tipper Gore digs that FMac so much. She's the loudmouth that tried to censor and ban music she don't like and is too stupid to understand - she lipped off about Prince, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Rush, Def Leppard, even John Denver. She initiated Congressional hearings over music and lyrics. Started the PMRC.

The Clintons and the Gores have a taste for uninspired pop pap and Muzak - that's why they used it for their rallies. And they still use 'Don't Stop' now. Not my vibe.

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Start using classical music!

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