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K-pop group BTS members face possible military conscription

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This is a good way to cause dissention in the rank

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It's not a possible conscription, but a certain conscription.

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Korean boy-bands and girl-groups are characterized as being more mature and sexy compared to the feminine Japanese boy bands and Japanese child-like girl groups. That is the appeal for Japanese fans.

Serving their country is a long term win for their image and the Korean government. The people mostly upset are the record labels trying to make money and the fans wanting more music.

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It's not a possible conscription, but a certain conscription.

The article clearly mentions the possibility of an special exception for people like the members of the group, what argument do you have to consider "certain" that this exception is no longer on the table?

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The article clearly mentions the possibility of an special exception for people like the members of the group, what argument do you have to consider "certain" that this exception is no longer on the table?

Because he read the entire article, which mentioned, among other things:

Lee Ki Sik, commissioner of the Military Manpower Administration, told lawmakers that **it’s “desirable” for BTS members to fulfill their military duties to insure fairness in the country’s military service.**

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Because he read the entire article, which mentioned, among other things:

How can anybody interpret "desirable" as taking out the exception as an option, he is exposing an argument, not a decision made. Opposite arguments are also included in the article, the exceptions until now for people that "enhance national prestige" are also desirable.

Without an explicit mention that this option is no longer considered it is wrong to consider any decision as certain.

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How can anybody interpret "desirable" as taking out the exception as an option, he is exposing an argument, not a decision made.

Because it was said by commissioner of the Military Manpower Administration

Without an explicit mention that this option is no longer considered it is wrong to consider any decision as certain.

Wrong, as anyone with a rudimentary understanding of Asian culture would know.

And this is pretty explicit:

Lee, the defense minister, earlier said he had ordered officials to consider conducting a public survey to help determine whether to grant exemptions to BTS. But the Defense Ministry later said it would not carry out such a survey.

So is this:

In August, Lee said if BTS members join the military, they would likely be allowed to continue practicing and to join other non-serving BTS members in overseas group tours.

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Flight DeckToday  09:39 am JST

From what I understand, they're not asking for an exemption or for special treatment. Which is good, because they shouldn't get it.

If other South Korean men have to serve, they should have to, as well.

Back in the day when the U.S. had mandatory military service, lots of celebrities -- Elvis Presley, Willie Mays, and a whole lot of others -- were drafted into the military at the height of their fame.

It was just a part of life in the States back then. And it is in South Korea today.

Elvis was sent to West Germany which was just next door to the Iron Curtain and anything could've happened there. However, on his free time time he did perform on base bars and in local German pubs. Rock'n'roll was spreading out to Europe and this was one reason why. That's a good thing.

However perhaps they could fend off a military invasion with a performance ?

That would make some good Communist propaganda for detailing the 'shallowness' of SK culture.

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Because it was said by commissioner of the Military Manpower Administration

And it also written in the article that Culture Minister Park Bo Gyoon is still considering whether to recommend the exception or not. Which means this is not a done deal and there is still a possibility of an exception being granted, the same as the delay in the conscription for their case. Not conducting a survey because of clear support of the public and even making an argument of a very lax form of conscription also talk about concessions being considered already.

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That's not fair because one of them might get a scratch or a hang nail or a blister and absolutely no time for makeup and mangrooming .

Worst of all a haircut - 

However perhaps they could fend off a military invasion with a performance ?

Maybe.

Maybe they’ll turn out to be pretty good. Elvis certainly took care of his appearance. I don’t know how good he was in training.

Spent any time in the armed forces yourself?

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Show me your war faces, your physical performances are proof that evolution is a lie.

BTS have so much to look forward to.....then there's the hair cut

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Good, maybe it’ll help them grow a pair, while they watch how others have to protect the country they’re capitalizing on

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BTS have done more for the international image and popularity of South Korea than any politician. They may be responsible for a visible percentage bump in GDP.

Still, if they want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, that is their business.

Conscription is a waste of time. No military commander wants conscripts, they want professional soldiers. Russia is using conscripts. Look how well that is working out.

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"...BTS members to fulfill their military duties to insure[sic] fairness in the country’s military service."

'Insure' is for insurance (automobile, home, etc.), and is applied incorrectly; the correct term is 'ensure.'

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@virusrex

The article clearly mentions the possibility of an special exception for people like the members of the group,

The conscription law is very specific about who can get the exemption, the only possible way is for the parliament to pass a special case exemption law which happened only once, to benefit the 2002 World Cup squad who reached the semifinal because there was a public understanding that they deserved it.

No one in the parliament is talking about granting an exemption to BTS because that's a political suicide.

@GBR48

Still, if they want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, that is their business.

The reason for this is that BTS isn't the only Korean boyband touring the US right now. There are substitutes for BTS, even HIVE has one called TXT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os_6c5j6YiQ

 https://www.kpopmap.com/9-kpop-world-tours-happening-in-2022-twice-ateez-monsta-x-and-more/

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No one in the parliament is talking about granting an exemption to BTS because that's a political suicide.

the poll mentioned in the article indicates otherwise, so are the declarations of Culture Minister Park Bo Gyoon, that clearly say the issue is not decided yet. Also the amendment to the military service act is still pending in the national assembly, you personally thinking is a decided thing is not the same as objectively be able to say so.

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the poll mentioned in the article indicates otherwise, so are the declarations of Culture Minister Park Bo Gyoon, that clearly say the issue is not decided yet. Also the amendment to the military service act is still pending in the national assembly, you personally thinking is a decided thing is not the same as objectively be able to say so.

So you have no source that states that an exemption will be granted. And hanging your hopes on what a Cultural minister says versus what military related officials have stated shows the obvious weakness in your "argument."

And, if you read the article, this is all going against the member:

Under South Korean law, all able-bodied men are required to perform 18-21 months of military service. 

Past moves by the government to possibly exempt BTS have drawn a public backlash.

Lee Ki Sik, commissioner of the Military Manpower Administration, told lawmakers that it’s “desirable” for BTS members to fulfill their military duties to insure fairness in the country’s military service.

Last week, Defense Minister Lee Jong-sup made almost identical comments about BTS

In August, Lee said if BTS members join the military, they would likely be allowed to continue practicing and to join other non-serving BTS members in overseas group tours.

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So you have no source that states that an exemption will be granted.

Which is why the argument is not that this exeption is sure to be granted, but that it is still possible.

And hanging your hopes on what a Cultural minister says versus what military related officials have stated shows the obvious weakness in your "argument."

There is no hope involved, simply correcting a declaration that a decision has been made even when there is clear indication this is not the case.

There are things that are pending, and discussions being made, saying this can be ignored based only on personal feelings is invalid and wrong.

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Non of BTS members should do any military service in my opinion, this article clearly says that the current law excepts celebrities like them, but some Exo members have done military service which I am against. Military work is for loser, great boys of Exos and BTS are too good to join military. I want them to refuse as much as possible, but if they are forced to do so, it is an one and a half years of enlistment, time passes fast do it and take it easy, better to hold a cleaning mop than to hold a killer gun, I don't think these lover boys can kill as soldiers, as I said earlier there is many other jobs in military other than infantry, I have a some military background for me to accept to kill was very difficult, some people can't even kill a chicken, but when you join military you need to prepare to kill other countries soldiers or whoever there maybe and that can be immoral for boys like me, I am 36 years old in the United State and I have passed my military age which is up to 36 years of age to join. They fool young people in to killing each other I am glad that I am older and wiser than to be fooled in to killing or being killed in military.

Again to conclude my message, I am against BTS to join the military, I wish that they all get except, BTS is a holy boy group and too good to join any military.

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K-pop group BTS members face possible military conscription

Note the title is not, " . . .face possible cultural exemption".

These guys are going in. Ooorah!

There is no hope involved, simply correcting a declaration that a decision has been made even when there is clear indication this is not the case.

If you cannot see the clear indication, then that is certainly an indication.

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If you cannot see the clear indication, then that is certainly an indication.

The article clearly indicates a decision has not been made and an exception is possible according to what the Culture Minister says it their official position, saying this is of not importance is simply a personal opinion and not a fact.

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The article clearly indicates a decision has not been made and an exception is possible according to what the Culture Minister says it their official position, saying this is of not importance is simply a personal opinion and not a fact.

No, if it was clear we wouldn't have a headline:

K-pop group BTS members face possible military conscription

It is no big deal that some of the members will be entering the military. They will still be be to perform.

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No, if it was clear we wouldn't have a headline:

K-pop group BTS members face possible military conscription

What is not clear about the world "possible" in the headline? that is precisely an argument that disprove this is in any way something decided but instead it is a possibility.

For the original comment to be right it would be necessary for the headline to say "cerain conscription" (and to substain it in the text) the actual article clearly contradicts this personal opinion.

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What is not clear about the world "possible" in the headline? that is precisely an argument that disprove this is in any way something decided but instead it is a possibility.

You don't understand the context. The eligible members are going into the service.

Lee Ki Sik, commissioner of the Military Manpower Administration, told lawmakers that it’s “desirable” for BTS members to fulfill their military duties to insure fairness in the country’s military service.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

You don't understand the context. The eligible members are going into the service.

No, as you clearly quoted from the title the military conscription is possible, not definitive, even if you want to believe differently by disregarding the whole text of the article that clearly says so

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No, as you clearly quoted from the title the military conscription is possible, not definitive, even if you want to believe differently by disregarding the whole text of the article that clearly says so

Wrong still. and anyone living in Asia would understand this.

Not too difficult to comprehend what is written though. Let's look at more evidence:

In August, Lee said if BTS members join the military, they would likely be allowed to continue practicing and to join other non-serving BTS members in overseas group tours.

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Wrong still. and anyone living in Asia would understand this.

Understand what? that you actually quoted the headline that says clearly, explicitly that the conscription is possible and not certain?

You demonstrated yourself wrong with that quote, not matter your personal feelings about it, none of the quoted text you bring says the conscription is decided already, which means they do not help with your mistaken idea, in fact they contradict completely what you write.

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Agency says BTS members will serve in South Korea's military

https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/agency-says-bts-members-will-serve-in-south-korea's-military

Understand what? that you actually quoted the headline that says clearly, explicitly that the conscription is possible and not certain? 

You demonstrated yourself wrong with that quote, not matter your personal feelings about it, none of the quoted text you bring says the conscription is decided already, which means they do not help with your mistaken idea, in fact they contradict completely what you write.

Pretty easy to understand now.

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Pretty easy to understand now

Yes now, when it has actually been all but decided, not at the time when you mistakenly thought the decision was already made. The fact that the situation changed and now it is considered definitive actually proves that you were mistaken thinking it was this way before, even when you quoted a headline that explicitly contradicted that misunderstanding.

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Yes now, when it has actually been all but decided, not at the time when you mistakenly thought the decision was already made. The fact that the situation changed and now it is considered definitive actually proves that you were mistaken thinking it was this way before, even when you quoted a headline that explicitly contradicted that misunderstanding.

The point is, what I was saying all along was correct.

And you were wrong. Entirely.

Very simple to comprehend for people living here, and understandable for your mistaken train of thought as you are not familiar with the culture in Asia, and thus I could read what was plainly being said in this article.

Which is:

BTS members will serve in South Korea's military

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The point is, what I was saying all along was correct.

No, it is still completely incorrect specially according to your own quote of the headline, the matter was not decided (which is what you said) it only became decided now.

Very simple to comprehend for people living here

Place of residency has absolutely no relevance, the article made it perfectly clear the matter was not decided, even if you mistakenly thought it was, this is so true that when the matter actually got decided it merited another article to report it, this clearly shows that your misunderstanding was never correct.

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No, it is still completely incorrect specially according to your own quote of the headline, the matter was not decided (which is what you said) it only became decided now.

Let's look back at some of my statements I made (which were true then and true now), showing my comprehension of the article and the relationship between context and culture in Asia, when you were in denial:

You don't understand the context. The eligible members are going into the service.

It is no big deal that some of the members will be entering the military.

These guys are going in. Ooorah!

Not too difficult to comprehend what is written though.

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Let's look back at some of my statements I made

Why did you leave out the first comment? is it because it is completely mistaken? that would only show that you understand your correction was unjustified and proved mistaken, no "comprehension" can correct that.

The original comment was

It's not a possible conscription, but a certain conscription

Against which I said "The article clearly mentions the possibility of an special exception"

To which you disagreed saying

ecause he read the entire article, which mentioned, among other things:

Lee Ki Sik, commissioner of the Military Manpower Administration, told lawmakers that ***it’s “desirable” *for BTS members to fulfill their military duties to insure fairness in the country’s military service.**

That is clearly not an argument that refutes the clear possibility, something you even recognized by quoting the title that explicitly includes the word "possible" for the conscription.

This means that at the moment of the comment your corrrection was still unjustifed and mistaken, making a baseless appeal to asian culture does nothing to refute how the situation actually changed and the possibility that was argued disappeared, something that would not have happened if as you mistakenly understood it was already decided.

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The original comment was

It's not a possible conscription, but a certain conscription

Oh, thanks for picking that up. Strengthens my argument even more.

Because as I said above, it was a certain conscription.

And it was.

How come you didn't know that?

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Oh, thanks for picking that up. Strengthens my argument even more.

On the contrary, it proves your position was mistaken, because it was not certain, it was possible up to the point where the own members rejected that possibility.

Because as I said above, it was a certain conscription.

And that is still wrong, because it was not, it was possible, which you clearly demonstrated by quoting the headline of the article which explicitly says "possible". Contradicting yourself only makes it clear you understood at that point your argument was mistaken.

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That's enough, thank you.

Samit BasuOct. 9  08:01 am JST

It's not a possible conscription, but a certain conscription.

Exactly.

Those of us who read the article and comprehended what was written were able to make these conclusive statements, because, facts are facts.

And the facts show, we were right.

On the contrary, it proves your position was mistaken, because it was not certain, it was possible up to the point where the own members rejected that possibility.

And you were wrong.

Beautiful morning today.

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