Netflix removes suicide scene from '13 Reasons Why'

I watched it. Interesting perspectives. Boring at times. Did it help understand suicide, no.

Ah, someone's watched it. Thanks, zichi. Not sure why my question was negatively received.

From my own experience, many factors can lead to a person taking their own life. There's no one particular factor. I'd been told before I lived in Japan, that many of us foreigners suffer from depression here. There certainly seems to be a stigma, admitting one is lonely or the black dog is nipping at one's heels.

It's hard to comprehend. Suicide, that is, not the show.

I hope all of us who have those dark days can show solidarity, whatever our political views might be.

And understand, please, those who have never had those thoughts, that telling someone to "pull themself together" isn't quite the most helpful of responses.

That's a strange conclusion to be drawn by metal health "experts", since they should know that suicide has been a serious problem since well before the television was even invented.

Suicide rates in the US have gone up every year since 1997. This year and last year has been no different. So you can't take a rise in suicide rates since the show has been released as the reason for the rise when the rates have been climbing since 1997.

Suicide rates are highest in the Mid-West, North West, and South West.

post hoc ergo propter hoc. Your quote from the article is insufficient to establish direct causality between a tv show and a rise in suicides among youths.

That's fine, but your latin quote doesn't apply to everything. This isn't someone assuming because a rooster crows at sunrise that the rooster's crow causes the sun to rise. Two seperate studies were conducted and both showed the same results. A show aimed at teens that dramatizes teen suicide coincides with a rise in teen suicides, the logical conclusion is that it may these two things might actually be connected. In a case of teen suicides, I would rather err on the side of caution, wouldn't you?

when you're depressed, a tv show (or a song, or a novel) may be a trigger to a suicide attempt, but it's rarely a cause.

A show who's sole focus is about a teen committing suicide very well could put the idea in an impressionable person's head that suicide is an option to solve their problems when it wasn't one previously. Trigger or cause, it's still not a good thing.

extanker, post hoc ergo propter hoc. Your quote from the article is insufficient to establish direct causality between a tv show and a rise in suicides among youths. I don't think Fox Sora Winters missed that statement. FSW's post raises another question that's worth considering: from a first person perspective, when you're depressed, a tv show (or a song, or a novel) may be a trigger to a suicide attempt, but it's rarely a cause. If you focus too much on the former, you may be missing the latter.

That's a strange conclusion to be drawn by metal health "experts", since they should know that suicide has been a serious problem since well before the television was even invented.

Well, maybe you missed this:

Two studies published in May found that suicides among U.S. youths rose significantly in the months following the popular show's release.

The show may be trying to present an understanding of why suicide happens, but it is also detailing it as an option.

I don't want the show taken off the air, I'm not one of those "I don't like it so it shouldn't exist" types, but to me, the show is a really bad idea for impressionable teens that area already under enough pressure.

Netflix has removed a graphic suicide scene from season one of the hit show "13 Reasons Why" following concern from mental health experts who fear it glorifies suicide.

That's a strange conclusion to be drawn by metal health "experts", since they should know that suicide has been a serious problem since well before the television was even invented. So how do they explain all the suicides that are committed by people who have never even heard of this? Don't blame one series for suicide. Blame the lack of understanding of depression, and the lack of support for those suffering from it. "13 Reasons Why" was never about glorifying suicide. It was intended as a means of highlighting the mentality of it, giving one (fictional) case to demonstrate how and why some people end up taking their own lives, the reasons that lead them to such a decision.

I've been through suicidal depression myself. Even tried to take my own life on two occasions, long before "13 Reasons Why" ever existed. I wasn't "inspired" or "influenced" by anything at all. I was trapped in a horrible situation with no support, no-one that I could trust to confide in. I understand that hell quite a bit better than many of the people who criticise this series, I'd be willing to bet on that. I don't exactly condone "13 Reasons Why" but I understand it well enough to know that blaming it for suicide and trying to say that it glorifies suicide is wrong. It completely misses the point. Censoring the show won't help. Support will. What people affected by depression need isn't a nanny-state, but someone who genuinely cares.

Back to the mentality of blaming heavy metal music and video games.

I burned that book after I finished reading it. It needs to be taken off the air not come out with season 3.

So showing rpe and bloody violence is ok, but not suicide? Nice priorities

Suicide is the leading cause of death for men under 40 in the west so anything that can reduce the risk must be a good thing. Don't own a TV as always felt its more like and indoctrination devise than a entertaining devise.

What? The whole damn show glorifies suicide!

Can't say I've seen it. Is it worth watching?

following concern from mental health experts who fear it glorifies suicide.

What? The whole damn show glorifies suicide!