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Revealing an actor's age is illegal? IMDb website sues California

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Political correctness run amok.

If you want more roles for older women, then write them! Is it any wonder why men get all the good roles? Because men are writing them and producing them. This is not sexism. This is men expressing what they think is interesting, and what they think audiences want to see.

There was a recent article revealing that men rated so-called "TV dramas and movies for women" lower than women rated so-called "TV dramas and movies for men." This was of immediately pronounced more evidence of sexism by the PC police, without even giving the slightest thought to the fact that maybe, just maybe, there is something lacking in the quality of programming "for women" that just doesn't appeal to men.

Being half of the population, and with a number of multi-million dollar female stars behind the cause, you would think that this is an issue that women could take care of on their own without having to legislate what people can or cannot see.

Open a female-focused studio!

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Sourpuss, wholly agree.

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I have a female friend who is... or rather was an actress. She did quite well for herself in her 20s, but stopped acting in her 30s. I asked her why, and she said there are almost no roles for women between early 30s and mid-40s. You get young girls, the mothers, then grown women, with a big blank spot in the middle.

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and she said there are almost no roles for women between early 30s and mid-40s

So? What does that have to do with a law that prevents a website from publishing a true fact?

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Miko O - agree.

A film / actor database that produces profiles on "stars" is hardly ageist by mentioning date of birth in their profiles. And as for it being sexist, well that's weird.

How people use such information to discriminate to match their own mindsets, is not determined by sites such as IMBd.

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There's no way this law will be found constitutional if challenged.

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Some one said if you want roles for older woman write them...do you know who many roles WERE written for older woman and Hollywood producers and studio heads changes the age to someone much younger. Take for instance Joy, the movie was about a woman inventor who was in her forties...who did they hire to play Joy...Jennifer Lawrence, age 26.

See how they do it...so go ahead and write those "Older Lady Roles"...the powers that be will just hire younger actresses.

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Am I missing something here? Most celebrities have Wiki pages that state their date of birth along with other personal information...

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So? What does that have to do with a law that prevents a website from publishing a true fact?

It shows why actresses would want to hide their ages.

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How exactly should publishing someone's age without their consent be protected under "freedom of speech"...? they're publishing people's personal identifying information that they do not want made public. And there can be a lot more at stake than just the risk of being on the receiving end of ageism when you can't control which of your own private information becomes publicly accessible. Posting people's personal identifying info on the internet without consent, for your own profit nonetheless, is not "freedom of speech," it's a violation of their privacy.

And as someone who has done some minor acting roles before, I can personally vouch that there are situations in which you can get flat out turned down before even auditioning if they know your real age, regardless of whether or not your appearance and voice can pass for being someone of the age of the role.

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Posting people's personal identifying info on the internet without consent, for your own profit nonetheless, is not "freedom of speech," it's a violation of their privacy.

It is not personal identifying information and it doesn't violate their privacy. Birth records are PUBLIC records (at least in the US) that anyone can access.

I can personally vouch that there are situations in which you can get flat out turned down before even auditioning if they know your real age

And why does that mean there should be a law restricting access to public information? I am sure there are situations where an actors name seemed to indicate a certain ethnicity and so they weren't even called for an audition. Should IMDB not publish actors names?

It shows why actresses would want to hide their ages.

Again, What does that have to do with a law that prevents a website from publishing a true fact?

So actresses want to hide their age. I am sure there are other people who want to hide their age and that there is other information that actresses may want to hide. It STILL doesn't mean a law should exist to stop IMDB from publishing factual information.

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It shows why actresses would want to hide their ages.

Again, What does that have to do with a law that prevents a website from publishing a true fact?

Um, you really don't see it? Wow.

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“By the time you’re 28, you’re expired, you’re playing mommy roles,” actress Zoe Saldana, now 38 and female lead of the blockbuster film “Guardians of the Galaxy,” told The Telegraph in 2014.

"You're expired and playing mommy roles by the time you're 28", yet she's 38 and playing a non-mommy lead role? What exactly am I missing here?

Also, this law makes no sense. Are you telling me that whoever casts actors doesn't already have access to their CVs which would presumably include their birth date? They instead have to rely on IMDB for that information?

IMDB was spot on in their statement, “AB 1687 is an unconstitutional law that does not advance, much less achieve, that goal”.

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Um, you really don't see it? Wow.

Restricting the publishing of factual information that can be obtained from public records is censorship and violates free speech rights. And um, you really don't see it? Wow.

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Restricting the publishing of factual information that can be obtained from public records is censorship and violates free speech rights. And um, you really don't see it? Wow.

I haven't made any comments on the law whatsoever, so I'm not sure how you have managed to determine that these are my beliefs.

Seems more like you are fantasizing that they are my beliefs.

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Stranger - what exactly is it that Mike O doesn't see?

Seriously I mean. Because I'm not getting it either.

As I understand and Otacon stated - all aspiring actors info would be available on documented CVs of some form or another. Or as has been suggested, from wiki, Fan sites, public records etc.

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Stranger - what exactly is it that Mike O doesn't see?

He (and I guess you) aren't seeing how this:

there are almost no roles for women between early 30s and mid-40s. You get young girls, the mothers, then grown women, with a big blank spot in the middle.

Is the answer to this:

So? What does that have to do with a law that prevents a website from publishing a true fact?

So to connect the dots, many actresses don't want their ages posted because at a certain age their are very few roles for women of that age group, and a site that posts their age would allow for discrimination before they've even had a chance to audition for the role, limiting their ability to work, and therefore a law that disallows the posting of their ages would be beneficial to them.

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Thanks Stranger.

I think we're aware of a possible dearth of quality roles for actors in their 30s ~ 40s. (Altho 2 of my most favourites - Cate Blanchett and Natalie Portman appear to get good roles - but that is by the way)

The problem exists NOT just with the knowledge of someones age. Auditioning, casting, playing in the fickle world of film is surely a public "outiing" if there ever was one. By it's nature it is bared. Who on earth would believe that their age would not be known in such an industry???

So if there is discrimination it appears more likely to be in the minds and actions of script writers, producers, casters, directors etc that they knowingly don't create roles for women of the stated ages for whatever reasons. And that is not neccessarily a good thing at all.

But that is a different problem to knowing someones DOB - which, in the highly exposed world of filmdom, hardly strikes me as stuff stamped "top secret".

With the vociferously viral media of today, if your publicly known age concerns you, then best to avoid careers in popular entertainment - no matter how justified you feel, coz they'll eat you.

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Stranger and Mike are both correct. Stranger is explaining why the actress would want the law (without commenting on whether the law is a good idea). Mike is explaining how such a law violates free speech.

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So to connect the dots, many actresses don't want their ages posted because at a certain age their are very few roles for women of that age group

And I am sure there are other facts actors and actresses often don't want in the public realm because it could affect the roles they might be offered or even if they are offered any roles. Things like religion, sexual orientation, marital status, weight, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. But not wanting the information published and having a law making it illegal are two completely different things.

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And I am sure there are other facts actors and actresses often don't want in the public realm because it could affect the roles they might be offered or even if they are offered any roles. Things like religion, sexual orientation, marital status, weight, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. But not wanting the information published and having a law making it illegal are two completely different things.

Where did I claim otherwise?

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@Mike O'Brien

So, would you have no problem with some website publishing stuff like your real full name, social security number, your home address, phone number, workplace, credit card info, browser history, and list of internet aliases? Because those are all factual information as well.

And yes I know some people choose to make such information public but there are plenty who don't want to for a whole lot of reasons.

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@dicktatertots Apples and oranges. SS numbers can be abused by criminals and addresses etc can be used by stalkers.

Since you're making such an extreme example, why don't we mosaic all actors faces on screen and put their voices through filters so we can't identify them at all?

I noticed that you haven't been able to answer the point that if older women want more roles for them, they should write and produce them themselves.The sense of entitlement these actresses have here is palpable. "I deserve more roles! Write them for me!" Another reason why it's called La-la-land. Lol

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Typical Hollywood whiners. How about singers? And street performers? Get over yourselves already, snowfwakes.

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Wikipedia usually includes the actor's full name and birthdate in their articles. Are they also "breaking" California law?

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So, would you have no problem with some website publishing stuff like your real full name, social security number, your home address, phone number, workplace, credit card info, browser history, and list of internet aliases? Because those are all factual information as well.

A number of those things are already protected by existing Federal law for legitimate reasons. But as to the others, publish away. Although I don't know why anyone would be interested in that info.

And yes I know some people choose to make such information public but there are plenty who don't want to for a whole lot of reasons.

So then why was the law written to only cover entertainers? And why only sites that charge a fee? Why not make the law apply to EVERY California resident and EVERY website?

Wikipedia usually includes the actor's full name and birthdate in their articles. Are they also "breaking" California law?

No. California carefully crafted their law to not cover Wikipedia, and many other sources of actors ages. Basically to fall under this law a website has to charge (some people) a subscription fee. And although IMDB offers a lot of information (including age) in their FREE section, they do have a premium service that offers more information, although mostly about movies and not actors.

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It's just paranoia. You don't get passed over for being 38 you get passed over in the audition for looking old.

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