Roger Waters says Nazi outfit at Berlin concert was anti-fascist

Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters said he was opposing fascism and bigotry when he wore a Nazi-style uniform on stage at a concert in Berlin that led German police to launch an investigation into the British musician.

Bureaucratic, narrow minds don't get irony and satire.

dagon

Nor do the woke warriors who want the poor man and cancelled. The world s going backwards as far as understand and free speech are concerned, it’s a very sad state of affairs for intelligent people who are brave enough to not follow the vocal minority.

Nor do the woke warriors who want the poor man and cancelled. The world s going backwards as far as understand and free speech are concerned, it’s a very sad state of affairs for intelligent people who are brave enough to not follow the vocal minority.

I totally agree.

bass4funk

You are normally an outspoken supporter of Israel and against the Palestinians and Hamas. So now do you support Roger Waters's stance against Israel and his support for the Palestinians?

Nazi uniforms, flags, and other symbols are banned in Germany, but police said Waters is being investigated under a separate law of "incitement of the people." Once the investigation is concluded, police will hand the findings to Berlin prosecutors who will decide whether to pursue any charges.

On Saturday, Waters hit back at controversy surrounding his stage act, describing it as politically motivated.

"My recent performance in Berlin has attracted bad faith attacks from those who want to smear and silence me because they disagree with my political views and moral principles," he said in the statement that was posted on his Twitter account.

So now do you support Roger Waters's stance against Israel and his support for the Palestinians?

Yes, I support Waters, he has the absolute right to support whatever cause he wants. I think this entire thing has been blown out of proportion, the man is a master at bringing attention to causes he champions and deeply believes in, he believes the Israeli government are acting like Nazis in their treatment of the Palestinians, if he believes that, and many people do and he feels wearing a Nazi symbol will get people’s attention, then he was brilliantly right in his calculation because we are all talking about it, so good on him, he got what he wanted whether the idea was good or bad is irrelevant.

bass4funk

so you are not willing to commit yourself. Do you support Waters in his cause for the Palestinians and do you support the Palestinian cause?

The Israeli government has spoken out against Waters. Does that make woke too?

Was it right to wear a Nazi uniform in Germany where they are banned?

The weaponisation of antisemitism to herd-smear those critical of the world's last apartheid state doesn't wash any more. Fans of Pink Floyd's 1979 album The Wall, those who saw the movie made from it or followers of modern popular culture in general, all know it was an anti-fascist, anti-totalitarian statement.

There's a petition at Change.org to support Waters, for those concerned by this latest outrageous attempts to stifle free speech and artistic freedom.

https://www.change.org/p/let-pink-floyd-s-roger-waters-perform-in-frankfurt-germany

so you are not willing to commit yourself.

I gave you an answer

Do you support Waters in his cause for the Palestinians and do you support the Palestinian cause?

I’m an Israeli supporter, but if Waters is a supporter for the Palestinian movement, that’s his right.

The Israeli government has spoken out against Waters. Does that make woke too?

Woke?? What?

Was it right to wear a Nazi uniform in Germany where they are banned?

I don’t think it’s right, but if you want to ask me in him doing this was it a brilliant idea? I think it was. Again, it brought attention to his cause.

The Azov Regiment of 2022 bears little relation to the ragtag militia the Azov Battalion of 2014, formed from a few dozen football hooligans, and – yes – far-right extremists.

https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2022/08/19/1384992/much-azov-about-nothing-how-the-ukrainian-neo-nazis-canard-fooled-the-world

bass4funk

   so you are not willing to commit yourself.

> I gave you an answer

You merely said you support Roger Waters without saying whether you support his Palestinian anti-zionist cause.

   Do you support Waters in his cause for the Palestinians and do you support the Palestinian cause?

I’m an Israeli supporter, but if Waters is a supporter for the Palestinian movement, that’s his right.

As I thought, you remain anti-Palestinian and oppose their cause. You are always outspoken on posts about Israel against those supporting the Palestinian cause. So, with Roger Waters, you make an exception.

   The Israeli government has spoken out against Waters. Does that make woke too?

> Woke?? What?

You agreed with FFS about people being woke and since Israel opposed Waters concerts are they woke then?

   Was it right to wear a Nazi uniform in Germany where they are banned?

> I don’t think it’s right, but if you want to ask me in him doing this was it a brilliant idea? I think it was. Again, it brought attention to his cause.

So you now think he was wrong wearing a Nazi uniform. Attention to a cause you will never support.

bass4funk

so you are not willing to commit yourself. Do you support Waters in his cause for the Palestinians and do you support the Palestinian cause?

This is unfair, a person can reasonably defend someone’s right to freedom of expression in principle without having to endorse every single idea they’ve ever expressed.

I’m not a fan of Waters, and I recognize that a lot of this controversy turns on Germany’s very specific rules on the display of Nazi related stuff, but I’m of the opinion that he should be able to do performances like this free from fear of prosecution.

You merely said you support Roger Waters without saying whether you support his Palestinian anti-zionist cause.

I don’t need to say it because you should know already that I support Israel, said it a thousand times.

As I thought, you remain anti-Palestinian and oppose their cause. You are always outspoken on posts about Israel against those supporting the Palestinian cause. So, with Roger Waters, you make an exception.

No, I just I support “his right” to oppose or condemn the Israeli government, doesn’t mean I agree with him.

You agreed with FFS about people being woke and since Israel opposed Waters concerts are they woke then?

That is just a dumb question, seriously!

So you now think he was wrong wearing a Nazi uniform. Attention to a cause you will never support.

Yes, and yes.

bass4funk

you also supported Alex Jones's freedom of speech.

When I have posted support for the Palestinian cause on Israeli posts you always criticize those comments.

I do not think it was wrong of Waters to wear a Nazi uniform but it was unwise given Berlin was the capital of Nazism.

Nor do the woke warriors who want the poor man and cancelled.

Nothing about the manufactured outrage against "wokeism" that benefits rightist corporate masters.

It is certain influential groups conflating and confusing the issues of anti-Zionism and opposing Israeli rightist policies with antisemitism.

bass4funk

No, I just I support “his right” to oppose or condemn the Israeli government, doesn’t mean I agree with him.

So I expect when I criticize or condemn the Israeli government you will be giving me your support because it is my "right" I wait and see.

That is just a dumb question, seriously!

Not really since you said you supported FFS comment on woke.

   So you now think he was wrong wearing a Nazi uniform. Attention to a cause you will never support.

Yes, and yes.

you also supported Alex Jones's freedom of speech.

Absolutely, I do.

When I have posted support for the Palestinian cause on Israeli posts you always criticize those comments.

Yes, the way you’re criticizing mine. I’m a committed person when it comes to freedom of speech and the first amendment. Even if I think your arguments are weak and devoid of all rational logic, and disagree with you, you have the right to say what want.

I do not think it was wrong of Waters to wear a Nazi uniform but it was unwise given Berlin was the capital of Nazism.

Well, I agree as well, but again, he got the outcome he wanted, he knew full well that doing this stunt would get the attention of the German government and authorities. Putting aside the racist, traumatic and hurtful message they project, it was done for one reason and the man knew the result of his actions putting it out there. Absolutely brilliant when you look at it from a political PR move.

So I expect when I criticize or condemn the Israeli government you will be giving me your support because it is my "right" I wait and see.

Why wouldn’t I? Say whatever you want, I just don’t have to agree with you.

Not really since you said you supported FFS comment on woke.

Again, it’s a dumb question.

Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters said he was opposing fascism and bigotry when he wore a Nazi-style uniform on stage at a concert in Berlin that led German police to launch an investigation into the British musician.

The Wall has always been an anti-war/anti-fascism piece of music and visual statement. His life was affected to a degree by his grandfather's death in war in WWI, and the Wall is famous for its stance against a Hitler like regime. In his 2014 film, he had the uniform in question on, and the entire film is about breaking the wall of oppression. The uniform is strictly a satirical piece of theatre, and silly for Germany to make it an issue. Absolutely ridiculous.

That's why the wall comes down, symbolically taking down the Berlin Wall, the symbol of oppression, before the wall actually came down. Roger Waters co wrote the Wall which came out by Pink Floyd in 1979. The Berlin Wall was dismantled in 1989.

"I was determined that it should be less specifically about my predicament and my story and my journey," Waters says of the film's theme, "and more a general look at what it means to those of us who become victims to what seems to be an insatiable desire by those with the reins of power in their hands to wage war on others to further whatever their aims might be."

Use some common sense.

Have you seen the video? Use the common sense yourself! Besides disgusting Nazi regalia he is also accused of disturbing the public peace.

It takes a truckload of approvals and bureaucracy until anyone can request an exemption to these laws for movies, etc. In pretty sure he didn't have them.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-probe-roger-waters-over-nazi-style-uniform-at-concert/a-65748661

Germany bans displaying Nazi symbols - but the country's laws allow exceptions for artistic or educational reasons.

Police said Waters is being investigated under a separate law of "incitement of the people."

Have you seen the video? Use the common sense yourself! Besides disgusting Nazi regalia he is also accused of disturbing the public peace.

Have you ever seen a musician protest? Like John Lennon and Yoko Ono in the nude? It's theater to present a point of view, and to think Waters is some terrorist making a statement for nazis is just stupid.

All these offended people surely must've been offended in 1979 when the Wall was released. All those Nazi uniforms and images. Only they weren't and the message was clearly and obviously anti-fascist. But because Waters now opposes some Israeli government policies, it's now anti--semitic. It's questionable if the uniform he wears is even Nazi. There isn't a single swastika, SS insignia, or German cross on it. Combine that with the actual message he's conveying and it's much ado about nothing...as usual.

Police said Waters is being investigated under a separate law of "incitement of the people."

Yeah, but nothing will happen, he’ll probably get a warning, fine and a lecture and that’s it.

The irony of this issue is the police of Germany is stifling a creative staged satire created a long time ago. It's an act of fascism.

Nothing will happen to Roger Waters.

He might be sent to the dominatrix for a whipping session.

sunfunbunToday  11:21 am JST

The irony of this issue is the police of Germany is stifling a creative staged satire created a long time ago. It's an act of fascism.

That's usually the end result. Look at the 'documentary' of Cleopatra where she's now black when every historical account of her is that she was Greek. The producers of that fiasco are actually being racist claiming without one bit of actual evidence that Cleopatra was black. Yet they accuse Egypt and Egyptians of being racist. Oh the irony.

All these offended people surely must've been offended in 1979

I doubt the offended understood then, nor bother to critically think this issue thru, now. If they look at the evidence and information, it's obvious this is a nothing burger, except it is a nuisance for Waters. Objectively, offenders should research things before spewing lack of knowledge opinions.

I doubt the offended understood then, nor bother to critically think this issue thru, now. If they look at the evidence and information, it's obvious this is a nothing burger, except it is a nuisance for Waters. Objectively, offenders should research things before spewing lack of knowledge opinions.

I agree.

Israel did not consider it a nothing burger.

Interesting discussion and worthy of a deeper dive, too bad half of it so far was reading Wallace man crushing on Bass4funk and following him around like a jilted ex.

You know, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the cities’ authorities that initially refused his gigs, only to “allow” him after complaints, were in cahoots to then get him prosecuted/sued because of these “Nazi uniforms.”

And as for “Pink Floyd” not wanting anything to do with his politics, don’t get me started. They wouldn’t be Pink Floyd without Waters’ politics. They would’ve been consigned to the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame of Also-Rans. (See anything post-Waters split for evidence of such mediocrity.)

Waters got in big trouble by openly taking position that US would invade Canada or Mexico if some great power like China or Russia was setting up shop there, similar to US NATO involvement In Ukraine for all these years.

Waters often references 1962 US Baby of Pigs, Cuban/Russian Missile Crisis by way example.

Backstory behind this matter, but then again President Xi & Prime Minister Modi have same position as Waters; US and NATO destabilizing entire world by being so heavily involved in Ukraine for all these years, thus current war.

Well done, go Waters!!..

Who are the fascists?