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Superheroes vs cinema? Debate continues over Scorsese remarks

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They lack something essential to cinema: the unifying vision of an individual artist," Scorsese added, fueling a controversy he initiated in a magazine interview last month.Fellow luminaries such as Francis Ford Coppola, Ken Loach and Fernando Meirelles have backed Scorsese, with Coppola even calling the record-breaking Marvel franchise "despicable."

These comments come AFTER the sad passing of Stan Lee who conveniently is unable to defend Marvel and his creations. I would call Scorsese and Coppola despicable.

Their work in my view is trash suited to narrow niche audiences. Just as I do not watch their rubbish, if they chose not to watch Marvel movies that is their right. It is all cinema, the good, the bad and the ugly.

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He is right... Disney - Marvel garbage..

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I think the most cutting edge Marvel output was on the telly. Legion is not like anything that's gone before (at least on the screen) it's more David Lynch than Stan Lee (no offense to either).

It's easy, of course, to dismiss Marvel films as the same old same old etc. But it's a genre and usually, it does what it says on the tin. I'm no film snob and I'll get my escapism hits from wherever and whoever. FFC has provided some classics but also some lesser films. Think of the taut, tense and paranoid The Conversation and then skip forward to Bram Stoker's Dracula. Ham sliced thickly, I believe. That said, I enjoyed both. Even though the latter is more comic book.

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Marvel films are "market-researched, audience-tested, vetted, modified, revetted and remodified until they're ready for consumption," wrote the "Goodfellas" director.

Agree with this 100%. They're not bad and they're not good; they're all just exactly the same.

I think the most cutting edge Marvel output was on the telly. Legion is not like anything that's gone before (at least on the screen) it's more David Lynch than Stan Lee (no offense to either).

Wow, somebody else who like Legion! I've never met anyone else who even watched it. Series 1 was fantastic, absolutely mindbending stuff but I got stuck halfway through 2 and didn't finish it. I should go back and rewatch it.

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Wow, somebody else who like Legion! I've never met anyone else who even watched it. Series 1 was fantastic, absolutely mindbending stuff but I got stuck halfway through 2 and didn't finish it. I should go back and rewatch it.

Just started it (S2) the other day - as you say; mindbending stuff. Made even more awesome by Aubrey Plaza & Jemaine Clement. Not one, I'd imagine, for the average Marvel fan who just wants 2 hours in the cinema and nothing overly challenging (and nothing wrong with that).

As mentioned before, the other superhero genre series I'm currently loving is The Boys. A very different beast & not one for the feint of heart.

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Films are entertainment, a diversion.

It used to be done with song and dance, a great story and acting,

now it's also done with special effects and super heroes...

I'll choose what works for me.

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I get Scorsese's point, but why single out Marvel all of a sudden ?

The Marvel movies are a cultural phenomenon right now, but there has been movies like this before.

If he wants to talk about films that are "not cinema", there's plenty to chose, from Transformers to Saw, or 90% of comedies, horror, action or martial arts movies. "Movies were better before" is a myth. There has been terrible movies before, and there are great movies nowadays.

And you can enjoy both entertainment movies and serious ones, just like you can enjoy both classic music and heavy metal, or both 19th century literature and cartoons.

Just enjoy what you enjoy and be done with it !

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And you can enjoy both entertainment movies and serious ones, just like you can enjoy both classic music and heavy metal, or both 19th century literature and cartoons.

Exactly, I don't get it when there are complaints that "decent" music/film/literature doesn't exist anymore. Of course it does, if one looks for it. And if the thought of early 21st century entertainment repulses so much; there's centuries of art to discover/re-discover.

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