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Swift, Cardi B and Missy Elliott bring girl power to Video Music Awards show

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'Girl power'? What a joke, there are plenty of talented female musicians out there - Lindsey Sterling, Kimbra, Frankie Rose, Lucy Wainright Roche, Joan Jett, and all-female acts like Heart, the Plastiscenes, the Courtneys, Courtney Barnet, Hatchie, Shonen Knife and more. These ladies have talent.

These VMA 'winners' have nothing and don't hold a candle to the other ladies I listed above. Check them out instead.

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They are women.

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Hate to pile on...but if men had dominated, would they have called it "boy power?"

How old are these "girls?"

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Missy Elliot is back! A true innovator. Her duet with Lizzo is great fun.

These VMA 'winners' have nothing and don't hold a candle to the other ladies I listed above. Check them out instead.

Musical snobbery is so passe.

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Cardi B's "music" is pure junk. Nothing to celebrate there!

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@Joe Blow

Is Taylor Swift’s music any better? Eventually she will run out of ex boyfriends and songs to make about them.

@Toasted Heretic

Missy never left. She just shifted her focus behind the scenes.

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Taylor Swift is good. I can’t say I’ve heard anything from the others. I’m a bit out of touch these days.

@Starpunk

Can’t people just be allowed to like what they like without being ‘educated’ on what they should be listening to?

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Is Taylor Swift’s music any better? Eventually she will run out of ex boyfriends and songs to make about them.

Breakup songs are the basis for so many songs.

Look at Dylan's Blood on the Tracks, Amy Winehouse's Back to Black, Beck's Sea Change, Joni Mitchell's Blue, Fleetwood Mac's Rumours.

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Sorry, meant albums but yeah, love/breakups are a staple ingredient of so many songs.

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I don’t think taylor swift is break up music. I think it’s ranting over someone she just needs to get over and move on from. It’s not about reminiscing. Her songs are more about bad mouthing them.

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Can’t people just be allowed to like what they like without being ‘educated’ on what they should be listening to?

Well said. My Half Man Half Biscuit albums sit contentedly aside my Thin Lizzys, ABBAs, Iron Maidens, Marvin Gayes and Beyonces etc, etc.

It's all personal taste.

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Well said. My Half Man Half Biscuit albums sit contentedly aside my Thin Lizzys, ABBAs, Iron Maidens, Marvin Gayes and Beyonces etc, etc.

Half Man Half Biscuit could sit alongside Shakespeare, Keats and Tolstoy as well as those fine people you mentioned.

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Well said. My Half Man Half Biscuit albums sit contentedly aside my Thin Lizzys, ABBAs, Iron Maidens, Marvin Gayes and Beyonces etc, etc.

Got any Queen or Meat Loaf on that shelf?

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I don’t think taylor swift is break up music. I think it’s ranting over someone she just needs to get over and move on from. It’s not about reminiscing. Her songs are more about bad mouthing them.

She's back to her cheery songs again, like when she was country, She's patched up with Katy Perry and have forgiven Kanye West. Incidentally, she's also by far Forbes Highest-Paid Woman In Music 2019:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2019/08/26/the-worlds-highest-paid-women-in-music-2019-taylor-swift-doubles-up-no-2-beyonc/

1) Taylor Swift - $185 million

2) Beyonce - $81 million

3) Rihanna - $62 million

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nice bod!

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Toasted HereticToday 03:54 pm JSTMissy Elliot is back! A true innovator. Her duet with Lizzo is great fun.

These VMA 'winners' have nothing and don't hold a candle to the other ladies I listed above. Check them out instead.

Musical snobbery is so passe.

My goof. I forgot Missy Elliot. She's got more musicality and talent than the others put together. She's got more class than the other VMA 'winners'.

She's back to her cheery songs again, like when she was country, She's patched up with Katy Perry and have forgiven Kanye West. Incidentally, she's also by far Forbes Highest-Paid Woman In Music 2019:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2019/08/26/the-worlds-highest-paid-women-in-music-2019-taylor-swift-doubles-up-no-2-beyonc/

1) Taylor Swift - $185 million

2) Beyonce - $81 million

3) Rihanna - $62 million

Numbers don't mean anything. DJs and programmers and media gods shove the garbage on the sheep public of America. Just because you make millions doesn't mean you're good, let alone an 'artist'.

JimizoToday 05:29 pm JSTTaylor Swift is good. I can’t say I’ve heard anything from the others. I’m a bit out of touch these days.

@Starpunk

Can’t people just be allowed to like what they like without being ‘educated’ on what they should be listening to?

Just suggesting. I like women musicians who write their songs, sing them, play instruments. Is that too much to ask for in a musician? Sorry, but these overchoriographed types who just strut around, lip-sync and flaunt sexuality are a joke. I don't care how good any of them look. I just can't take these posers (or the 'boy bands' either) as serious musical artists. I just can't.

The lady artists I listed in my post above are serious about their work and it's just the tip of the iceberg and that's why I listed them. Talent should take precedence over looks.

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Toasted HereticToday 05:49 pm JSTCan’t people just be allowed to like what they like without being ‘educated’ on what they should be listening to?

Well said. My Half Man Half Biscuit albums sit contentedly aside my Thin Lizzys, ABBAs, Iron Maidens, Marvin Gayes and Beyonces etc, etc.

It's all personal taste.

Very well said. ABBA, Marvin Gaye, Iron Maiden, Duran Duran, Bangles, INXS, Midnight Oil, AC/DC, ELO, Phil Collins, Bryan Ferry, REM, Kenny Rogers, Ziggy Marley, Pink Floyd, Little River Band, Grateful Dead, U2, Apples In Stereo, Dan Fogelberg, RUSH. All that and more in my CD collection. My tastes, not what's dictated to me.

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Lots of hate here.

Lighten up, Francis

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BabyMetal is girl power.

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It's too bad all the men that Cardi B drugged and ripped off when she was a stripper won't come forward. Funny how she can still work after admitting that. I guess it's 'girl power' for a woman to do it to a man.

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Got any Queen or Meat Loaf on that shelf?

For sure. Music going back to Robert Johnson all the way up to Missy and everything in between...

Currently listening to Kojaque and Fontaine's DC.

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Is Taylor Swift’s music any better? Eventually she will run out of ex boyfriends and songs to make about them.

At least Swift can sing. Cardi B just mumbles and in this horrible, ratchet voice too.

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 I guess it's 'girl power' for a woman to do it to a man.

That's just being a revengeful sour shrew. Nobody likes that. Real 'girl power' is where a woman can stand on her own 2 feet and do things her way and not take any crap from anyone. IOW, it's like what that Aretha Franklin and Eurythmics song says. 'Girl power' means not standing behind anyone. She is her own woman.

Many figures thruout history - from Florence Nightingale, Joan of Arc, Susan Anthony, Yoko Ono, Oprah, the above listed women musicians I listed in the above post and more. Strong independent intelligent women.

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extankerToday 01:36 am JSTIt's too bad all the men that Cardi B drugged and ripped off when she was a stripper won't come forward. Funny how she can still work after admitting that.

I remember reading something about that. And I saw a video clip on Rolling Stone magazine's website where Cardi B started a ruckus with Nicki Minus (sp?), calling her obscene names and acting like a juvenile 10-year-old. 'Girl power'? God help us.

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I've never listened to Cardi-B's music but I do have several very nice cardigans I enjoy wearing when the temperature allows. So I do feel somewhat sympathetic to her for that reason alone.

Half Man Half Biscuit

Now you're talking.

Several of my old mates are musicians/producers and general music business types. They all rate Taylor Swift and some are absolutely nuts about her. I've never really listened to her music but I bow to their much superior knowledge there.

This week I've enjoyed the new 808 State stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htYHQ5agIdc

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starpunk,

you lost me with yoko ono and oprah.

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KestrelToday 11:11 am JSTstarpunk,

you lost me with yoko ono and oprah.

they are both women who became notorious and successful because of their intelligence, on their own merit and not because of any association with a man. We know about Oprah's rise to fame and notoriety. As for Yoko Ono, she already was well known, notorious and respected in Greenwich Village, NYC art circles due to her performance art - long before she met John Lennon. Of course she gets unfairly blamed for the Beatles' breakup but she is an independent-minded woman of her own right. She does things her own way and she is a 'feminist' icon because of that. Paul McCartney said it best when he said, 'I like Yoko. Yoko is Yoko.'

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Janelle Monae is also someone I have a lot of respect for, in the pop world. Very creative. But I wouldn't say she's better or worse than any other artist. Yoko Ono is a fan and vice versa.

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Just suggesting. I like women musicians who write their songs, sing them, play instruments. Is that too much to ask for in a musician?

Swift got started writing songs and playing guitar while she was a pre-teen. Then, when she was just 14 years old, the whole family relocated to Nashville where she paid her dues as a country performer working at bars and restaurants. After a few bumps in the road, Swift signed on with Big Machine Records. It took 3 years after signing on for the first album.

Here's a video of her performing guitar of her early hit song she wrote for her high school freshman talent show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGFr6yRAtzQ

Wrote the song - check

Sings the song - check

Plays the instrument - check

Is that still asking too much?

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It’s weird watching people disparage Swift. Her music is not my style whatsoever, but I’ve had a few of her songs stuck in my head multiple times over the years. And look at how popular she is. It’s silly to think that she’s not obviously an extremely talented musician.

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That's just being a revengeful sour shrew. Nobody likes that. Real 'girl power' is where a woman can stand on her own 2 feet and do things her way and not take any crap from anyone. IOW, it's like what that Aretha Franklin and Eurythmics song says. 'Girl power' means not standing behind anyone. She is her own woman.

Cardi B admits to having drugged and assaulted multiple men, yet is being held up as an example of 'girl power' right here in this article. Not sure where you are seeing the disconnect, I am pointing out that she is only a couple steps away from what Bill Cosby did, but is still being looked at as some kind of obscene role model.

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@Starpunk,

Yoko Ono would be nothing more than a minor footnote if she hadnt hooked upwith and married John Lennon.

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Lennon promised her early on that he would advance her career. She always blamed him because she never became anything more than what she always was - a second rate scammer of the "art" world.

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they are both women who became notorious and successful because of their intelligence, on their own merit and not because of any association with a man. We know about Oprah's rise to fame and notoriety.

Please don’t compare Oprah to Swift or Ono....

As for Yoko Ono, she already was well known, notorious and respected in Greenwich Village, NYC art circles due to her performance art -

YES in that particular and odd circle.

Of course she gets unfairly blamed for the Beatles' breakup

I think Paul McCartney would disagree vehemently.

but she is an independent-minded woman of her own right. She does things her own way and she is a 'feminist' icon because of that. Paul McCartney said it best when he said, 'I like Yoko. Yoko is Yoko.

Also Paul said things to keep the peace which I understand given him and John’s relationship, but they definitely don’t care for each other.

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