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'SNL,''Big Little Lies,' 'Handmaid's Tale' rule at Trump-flavored Emmys

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I remember when TV used to be about entertaining, not preaching down to the unwashed masses.

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I remember when TV used to be about entertaining, not preaching down to the unwashed masses.

I'm curious; do you mean the shows are preachy or the stars?

Humour and satire at awards ceremonies - that's been there pretty much from the start.

Anyway; well done SNL. Hasn't been this good for years.

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I guess the winners make sense, The Night Of was actually really good. Sucks Westworld missed out

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That was awesome! Very well done. Didn't agree with all the winners, but the acts were priceless.

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I remember when TV used to be about entertaining, not preaching down to the unwashed masses

I agree. These days it's more about pleasing the PC crowd.

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I agree. These days it's more about pleasing the PC crowd.

Are you referring to the awards ceremonies, the actors or the television shows?

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I always chuckle whenever I see someone complaining about ;pandering to PC.

I have heard good things about Westworld, and am keen to watch it.

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It's ironical that those who claim to be PC are the most un-PC...especially when they disagree with someone.

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Congratulations o Charlie Brooker, the always excellent Black Mirror deserved to win.

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A whole lot of Trumpers seem seriously butt-hurt after this Emmy Awards, which was amazing. Trump probably had a good cry, and will have a massive twitter rant shortly. I think part of what makes Trumpers so absolutely upset about this is that, try as they might, they're not going to stop watching the shows -- or get anyone else to, as we saw by the marvellous "It" backfire -- that roast them. They're kind of like if Spicer got up there as a guest star but honestly meant what he was saying and was not making a joke about how he and others are forced to disgrace themselves for the joke of a president they have.

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It's ironical that those who claim to be PC are the most un-PC...especially when they disagree with someone.

And the awards ceremonies, the actors or the television shows?

Nobody seems willing or able to single out who or what is being preachy and "PC".

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And there you go. I just knew the Emmys were political. Thanks for the admission.

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And there you go. I just knew the Emmys were political. Thanks for the admission.

What showbiz/arts awards show isn't?

It's all part and parcel of the whole experience. Marlon Brando refusing to collect his Oscar, back in the day.

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BeowulfOkami: "And there you go. I just knew the Emmys were political. Thanks for the admission."

First political comment on here was yours, bud.

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Still no replies as to what constitutes preachiness or pc in this latest golden age of television.

Interesting.

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First political comment on here was yours, bud.

Yes, because I am right. The shows are more about being PC than about being entertaining. Others tried to deny it. I didn't.

Still no replies as to what constitutes preachiness or pc in this latest golden age of television

Can't speak about about preachiness but I'd venture to say that PC has a double standard in today's tv. Not a Trump supporter but I see the blatant double standard when it's ok for SNL to mock Trump repeatedly but had the same been done to Obama ( and I don't mean an occasional jab but the constant mockery similar to what is being done about Trump), there'd be shrieks and howls for SNL producers to be crucified.

There's also a great deal of misandry on the shows with women being shown as perpetual victims and white males as the perpetual male oppressors and somehow the female -on-male violence is "justified" because "they had it coming".

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Nobody seems willing or able to single out who or what is being preachy and "PC".

As a Briton I always see PC as Police Constable.

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The shows are more about being PC than about being entertaining

Haha. You honesty think the primary motivation of making a TV show is 'PC'? Poppycock.

but I see the blatant double standard when it's ok for SNL to mock Trump repeatedly but had the same been done to Obama... there'd be shrieks

How is it a double standard? Trump is mocked for the garbage he tweets and his policies. Nothing to do with 'PC'. Obama would also have been mocked if he had also had a stream of constant garbage from his Twitter account.

There's also a great deal of misandry on the shows with women being shown as perpetual victims and white males as the perpetual male oppressors

Our world has a long history of men oppressing women. Enough. Men who cry victim over women who stand up to this (and the men who stand with them) frankly need to man up.

Those who whine about PC fairies without being able to make a coherent point on the subject of political correctness merely show themselves not to have a coherent point to make.

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When Key and Peele repeatedly mocked Obama's refusal to give in to the incessant harassment about (among other things) his place of birth by creating the Anger Translator, Obama reacted by inviting the Anger Translator to the Correspondent's Dinner.

He did not pout or whine or attack those who mocked him. He handled it with maturity and good humour and class. That is why SNL had nothing on him. Whereas the tiny-handed Drumpf...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkAK9QRe4ds

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Sean Spicer, who was routinely made fun of when weighed down under the title of Press Secretary, commented without anger or annoyance about McCarthy's take off of him. It was not a kind impersonation, and he responded in a measured way.

And then appeared at the Emmy's so that he could mock himself and that farce he now calls his previous job a bit more. That was brave. He acknowledges that you can't stop comedy, and that programs like SNL, the Daily Show etc., will always pick at politicians and expose the nonsense and blustering and lies, and quite right too.

Whereas the Donald...

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/sep/17/sean-spicer-2017-emmy-awards-stephen-colbert

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I always do wonder, when people talk about when TV was just 'entertainment' and not 'political,' what age are they talking about?

Do they mean my childhood in the Reagan years, when shows such as the Cosby Show, Silver Spoons, and more would often do 'very special episodes' that dealt with very difficult social issues such as racism, sexism, child molestation, or more?

Do they mean the 70's, where for every Archie Bunker there was a MAS*H that was clearly anti-war?

Do they mean Little House On The Prairie, which had a very pacifist message?

Do they mean the 60's, where Mary Tyler Moore was breaking barriers for women and Star Trek was tackling social issues left and right?

Come on guys, when are you talking about?

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It's creepy that people have any interest at all in watching an industry pat itself on the back, giving itself awards.

It's like cheering that McDonald's won cheeseburger of the year and Moss Burger won best supporting fries.

I guess a bunch of you folks have an awards show for "Jet Teacher of the Year?"

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I tend to tilt more independant for sure, but even I’m burned out on the same old jokes and rants. People tune in to these things for an escape, for enjoyment… 

We have to see the orange julius on our screens and social media feeds 24/7, do we also have to hear about him at every Hollywood event? Do they really think they’re at all cool or clever or helping the cause by talking about him and political issues CONSTANTLY? All they’re doing is turning people off, clearly. Just have one night in celebration of art. If the art is political – then let it speak for itself and be the message. Stop beating a dead horse. Let people have some fun. And not everyone perceives insults and belittlement of those you disagree with as fun. I don’t belittle and attack my republican friends for their beliefs – or we wouldn’t be friends anymore. These people need to learn there’s a time and place. For people who hate the current POTUS with a passion, they sure can’t stop talking about him. 

Is he a problem? IMO, yes. Does endless snark and attack during awards shows help a damn thing or make change? No. And they’re arrogant to think they do.

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Yes, because I am right. The shows are more about being PC than about being entertaining. Others tried to deny it. I didn't.

Which shows, though? The Crown?

Can't speak about about preachiness but I'd venture to say that PC has a double standard in today's tv. Not a Trump supporter but I see the blatant double standard when it's ok for SNL to mock Trump repeatedly but had the same been done to Obama ( and I don't mean an occasional jab but the constant mockery similar to what is being done about Trump), there'd be shrieks and howls for SNL producers to be crucified.

Crucify satirists for doing their job? Oh, if only Spitting Image had transferred to the US back in the day. It would have been like a scene from Spartacus...

There's also a great deal of misandry on the shows with women being shown as perpetual victims and white males as the perpetual male oppressors and somehow the female -on-male violence is "justified" because "they had it coming".

Which shows, though? Master of None?

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Let me help you out with a typical winning Hollywood script:

"Welcome to the Emmy awards, where we are wonderful and the Republicans are, well.. stupid!"

Loud applause and laughter.

"We don't like to call people stupid, because we're nice. But they are also racists, so it's OK to call them stupid."

More applause.

"I have a stupid friend, who is of course, Republican." Snide chuckles from the audience, as their sense of superiority is reaffirmed.

"He asked me why we never attacked Obama this way. Of course, we would have if he wasn't just so gosh darned perfect in every way. Not even one scandal during his administration."

Audience sighs rapturously in agreement.

"Then my friend said that Stalin and Hitler didn't have any scandals either. I mean, how stupid is that? That just shows how hopeless they are."

This goes on for a while, and the entertainment reporters follow up the next day with praise for the brave chances the comedian took with the audience - daring to challenge the Republicans. They all pat themselves on the back and go home to the comfort of their walled estates.

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Anyway; well done SNL. Hasn't been this good for years.

Yes, the Trump skits are funny in the beginning of the show but do you watch the rest of the show? So many cringeworthy skits. From the 70s-90s, you can laugh your butt off from beginning to end. The Weekend Update part has lame hosts, the guests are what make it funny.

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@commanteer

Cool story bro

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commanteerToday  08:56 am JST

Let me help you out with a typical winning Hollywood script:

That you concocted. Do you write Hollywood scripts?

"Welcome to the Emmy awards, where we are wonderful and the Republicans...

That's funny, I don't seem to recall any digs at Republicans from last night, except for Trump and who can say for sure if he's actually a Republican?

YoshitsuneToday  10:40 am JST

@commanteer

Cool story bro

Story with a strong fantasy element.

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who cares what a bunch of thespians think? anyhow trump will laugh all the way to the ballot box becuase any publicity is good publicity

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Entertainment has always been used to comment on politics, especially critically of course, whether openly in a 'free' society, or subtly in oppressive ones. It is one of the most effective forms of subversion there is. Saying that the two are not connected, and demanding that entertainers not comment on politics is a sign of dictatorship.

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@commanteer;

Any actual examples; from when TV was entertaining?

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Great, identity politics over art and entertainment.

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Great, identity politics over art and entertainment.

Any shows in particular?

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Yes, the Trump skits are funny in the beginning of the show but do you watch the rest of the show? So many cringeworthy skits. From the 70s-90s, you can laugh your butt off from beginning to end. The Weekend Update part has lame hosts, the guests are what make it funny.

Would just like to genuinely thank and appreciate DaDude for being the only person to single out an actual show for constructive criticism.

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Do you write Hollywood scripts?

All inquiries go to my agent. I don't enjoy negotiations.

That's funny,

I thought so, too, thank you.

Any actual examples; from when TV was entertaining?

I have to confess I watch almost no TV, unless I'm bored in a hotel room somewhere. Then I usually turn on CNN for the comedy value, until the thought that people actually take it seriously causes me to sink into depression and despair. After that, I raid the hotel fridge for overpriced beer to help put me to sleep. I honestly don't know how anyone can watch US TV regularly and still have a functioning brain after a month.

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commanteerSep. 19  07:08 pm JST

I have to confess I watch almost no TV, unless I'm bored in a hotel room somewhere.

Then it doesn't really sound as if you know what you're talking about.

Then I usually turn on CNN for the comedy value, until the thought that people actually take it seriously causes me to sink into depression and despair. After that, I raid the hotel fridge for overpriced beer to help put me to sleep.

Sounds more like something from a not very good stand-up routine than anything anyone would actually ever do.

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commanteerSep. 19  07:08 pm JST

"That's funny,"

I thought so, too, thank you.

What, you also thought it was strange that you talked about Republicans even though there were only jokes at the Emmys about Trump?

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The better TV nowadays are on subscription services like HBO, Netflix, Amazon, etc.

If ya don't have those, then you're not seeing where TV is going

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I have to confess I watch almost no TV, unless I'm bored in a hotel room somewhere. Then I usually turn on CNN for the comedy value, until the thought that people actually take it seriously causes me to sink into depression and despair. After that, I raid the hotel fridge for overpriced beer to help put me to sleep. I honestly don't know how anyone can watch US TV regularly and still have a functioning brain after a month.

Which negates your other comments on this thread. Thought so.

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At least this thread is amusing. Like CNN, though, some take it as highbrow discussion.

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commanteerSep. 20  09:04 pm JST

At least this thread is amusing. Like CNN, though, some take it as highbrow discussion.

No, we shouldn't take any of the comments too seriously, should we. Like yours, for instance.

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