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PaulToday 02:02 pm JST

She seems to be doing her best to attract men's attention and using her figure as part of the show.

Are you implying that this makes her deserving of sexual assault?

Someone sure lacks moral standards - and I'm not talking about DJ Soda.

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BlacksamuraiToday 03:43 pm JST

Can't believe a female poster here blames men for the assault on DJ Soda when a woman specifically groped her. That takes some real twisted logic.

I did not say that.

Sexual assault is sexual assault.

I agree with this.

With female 'advocate' friends like this, it's clear somebody has a lot of growing up to do as well as a long hard look at their lack of moral honesty.

When someone must misrepresent what another person has said, that means that person needs to take a hard look at their lack of moral honesty.

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Redtail SwiftToday 03:44 pm JST

This has a lot to do with what she was wearing. She likes to be revealing.

So if a woman wears revealing clothes, it means she deserves to be sexually assaulted?

What if a man wears revealing clothing? Would it then be okay to sexually assault him?

Look at this situation. Even Japantoday wouldn't post a picture of what she was wearing.

Most of the major outlets had no issues with posting pics because what she was wearing was actually not that revealing. One would see more than that on the beach.

I rest my case. You know it's true. Go to work and set your desktop wallpaper to DJ Soda.

You don't have "a case." You have misogynistic ramblings.

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JohnToday 01:09 pm JST

Koreans are over exaggerating japanese woman’s friendly touch.

Grabbing someone's breast, hard, is a "friendly touch"?

If your body is yours, please keep it to yourself and don’t reveal your body in front of a crowd.

Are you saying that if someone wears revealing clothes, then their body becomes, well, public property? Does this mean that I can go to the beach and grab the crotch of any attractive man I see? Hm.

Even if it was a man who touched her, there is no crime. It’s normal in the situation to assume she wants to be touched when she gets close to other people without properly covering up her body. I would assume the same

You are saying that when a woman wears revealing clothes, it is safe to assume she wants to be touched by anyone and everyone.

Well, as a woman if a man touches me without my permission, I take that as an invitation that he wants me to give him a swift and heavy kick to the groin. You know, a "friendly touch".

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This has a lot to do with what she was wearing. She likes to be revealing.

Look at this situation. Even Japantoday wouldn't post a picture of what she was wearing.

I rest my case. You know it's true. Go to work and set your desktop wallpaper to DJ Soda.

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Can't believe a female poster here blames men for the assault on DJ Soda when a woman specifically groped her. That takes some real twisted logic. Sexual assault is sexual assault. Stop using the excuse of 'exceptionalism', heard it for years 'Oh women don't do that'.

Yes they do although it obviously occurs less than male instances. With female 'advocate' friends like this, it's clear somebody has a lot of growing up to do as well as a long hard look at their lack of moral honesty.

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She seems to be doing her best to attract men's attention and using her figure as part of the show.

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 you want to parse my assertion that harassment had happened before

You quoted my comment saying "this is not the first time", then referenced things very different from what happened now, there is no rational way to interpret being groped by the public as being the same as being touched appropriately and without causing her any discomfort, much less being harassed verbally. That is simply not the same, which do not require being exactly the same in every single detail. It simply require for the supposed previous examples to be of the same kind of abuse, which they were not.

She never said this was her first experience with harassment (or being touched) she is obviously making a reference to this specific kind of sexual violence.

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*She said this had never happened to her, you have not proved otherwise as you claimed.*

Thanks for the highlighting and let me counter your claim in this case like Bill Clinton though I am personally not in any way involved.

If you want to parse my assertion that harassment had happened before; but in Japan at a music event in Osaka, by a mob composed of men and women,that degree of physical contact had never happened before to the personage known as DJ Soda then I suppose then that would be true in her assertion.

The fact is harassment claims are a part of her social media feed and if you delve into it is apparent.

It does not take away from the circumstances of this particular instance.

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Koreans are over exaggerating japanese woman’s friendly touch. If your body is yours, please keep it to yourself and don’t reveal your body in front of a crowd. Even if it was a man who touched her, there is no crime. It’s normal in the situation to assume she wants to be touched when she gets close to other people without properly covering up her body. I would assume the same.

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TryHard Japan, the organizer of the event, on Tuesday released a statement on its official Instagram account condemning the "criminal acts," saying it intended to seek damages and file complaints against the individuals involved.

At this stage, no criminal charges have been filed and no criminal complaint has been made.

"While providing maximum support to DJ Soda, who was victimized, we intend to identify the individuals responsible for this despicable crime and take legal measures, both civil and criminal," the company wrote.

Japanese police should be contacted so they can try and identify the suspects who committed the alleged acts.

DJ Soda in her posts included photos of fans reaching across security fencing and appearing to touch her arms and chest. In the commotion, she said, it was a woman who grabbed her breasts harder than any of the other festivalgoers.

DJ Soda also got into a highly publicized dispute with American Airlines, because of obscenity laced pants she was wearing when trying to board a flight.

She doesn't seem to mind the publicity.

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Look but don't touch!

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Not refuting her claims but the fact remains she has been involved in cases of harassment.

The main point is that she was NOT involved in something like what happened, so claiming it was not the first time as she said ends up being invalid unless you can actually provide evidence of the contrary.

She did not say she has never been touched in a way she felt appropiate.

She did not say she was never harassed verbally.

She said this had never happened to her, you have not proved otherwise as you claimed.

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Not refuting her claims but the fact remains she has been involved in cases of harassment. To what degree is her own interpretation.

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as a former DJ myself this is not the first time, the statement may be an misinterpretation but she has called out harassers frequently.

Your first reference is about a man grabbing her arm without her complaining about it.

The second is about another DJ making vulgar comments about her.

None of those events could be represented as similar to what happened this time. There is a huge difference between touching her in the arm in a way that she did not find negative and groping her and making her complain about it. Your personal occupation is not an argument that can refute her claims either.

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What? Grabbed? In Japan? OMG!

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DJ Soda has been molested numerous times at multiple venues around the world, usually by males, and it is wrong.

She stated this had never happened to her before.

Girl in Tokyo and virusrex, as a former DJ myself this is not the first time, the statement may be an misinterpretation but she has called out harassers frequently.

https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/dj-soda-allegedly-groped-by-local-man-during-thai-songkran-festival-fans-express-displeasure/

https://nextshark.com/dj-soda-harassed

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dagonToday 08:42 am JST

DJ Soda has been molested numerous times at multiple venues around the world, usually by males, and it is wrong.

She stated this had never happened to her before.

My point was that non-consensual contact also occurs in the lesbian context, which is often observable in the club setting

And .... ?? Why do you feel this needs to be brought up, as if I didn't know?

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I think any larger exciting crowd is kanda dangerous. Any famous/important people keep proper distance. If Soda is very famous performer in the world, she should have kept distance even if it never happend to her before. Probably she learned something now. She might be lucky. If a crazy fan stabbed her in crowd, she would have died there.

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This shall be a federal case!

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She should have kept proper distance from her exciting fans. I wonder Soda or her manager did not think her action was very dangerous.

According to the article she had "never ever experienced anything like this" in a decade of performing. Which means it can be done safely in many countries around the world, apparently not in Japan.

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It seems that you don't understand the difference between a club environment where women go to meet other women and invite one another to consenually touch, and a club enviornment where a DJ is groped against her will by a crowd when she least expected it to happen.

DJ Soda has been molested numerous times at multiple venues around the world, usually by males, and it is wrong.

My point was that non-consensual contact also occurs in the lesbian context, which is often observable in the club setting.

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There are a lot of sexual molesters who try to touch the body of women often in Japan, especially in trains/buses. Audiences/her fans were very exciting at that time about her performance and her half naked body. She should have kept proper distance from her exciting fans. I wonder Soda or her manager did not think her action was very dangerous.

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miss_oikawaAug. 16 08:14 pm JST

This is ludicrous.

She jumped into a crowd. People touched her. What a surprise. Has anyone here been to a gig.

Being touched and grabbed does not equal sexual assault.

What is ludicrous is that you misrepresent what actually happened in order to downplay sexual assault.

DJ Soda in her posts included photos of fans reaching across security fencing and appearing to touch her arms and chest. In the commotion, she said, it was a woman who grabbed her breasts harder than any of the other festivalgoers.

She said she was behind a security fence and came close to the fence to meet with fans. The fans then reached across the fence to grope her violently. She was not "touched and grabbed" in the usual way that stars might expect fans to touch and grab them, e.g., grabbing her outstretched hand or arm. Instead they grabbed her breasts.

And, as she did not consent to, nor did she expect, to have her breasts violently groped, it was not consensual. That makes it sexual assault.

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dagonAug. 16 08:09 pm JST

Not to belabor the point, but if you have ever been to a lesbian club or event you will find lesbian women also cross boundaries and engage in physical contact with women outside of a relationship

Especially in a club setting and when intoxicants are involved.

I'm bisexual and have been to many, many women-only events.

It seems that you don't understand the difference between a club environment where women go to meet other women and invite one another to consenually touch, and a club enviornment where a DJ is groped against her will by a crowd when she least expected it to happen.

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miss_oikawaAug. 16 08:48 pm JST

@John

Exactly. I used to love it when I would go dancing, take my top off and girls would have their hands all over my chest. But that isn't even the point, like you say it's a pretty logical conclusion in the situation that if one removes their clothing and approaches other people, those people might think it's acceptable or even an invitation to touch them, and not even in a sexual way. It's as bizarre as walking outside naked and then shouting at others when they dare to look at you.

She did not "remove her clothing".

She also did not enjoy what was happening to her.

She also did not give her consent.

Are you going to back off this contention, or do you honestly believe that people deserve to be groped against their will?

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Capuchin Aug. 16 11:38 pm JST

I agree with Garypen. You're really not doing yourself any favours. Just admit you either didn't read the article properly, jumped to conclusions or simply let your personal biases and agenda override the article being commenting.

I already said that I didn't read the article properly and that once I understood what had happened, I changed my mind and explained why. I thought that was clear.

Every single time sexual assault is discussed in this comment section I'm accused of having a bias and an agenda.

And the reason I get these accusations is because I talk back to the posters who, each and every time, accuse the female victim of lying about sexual assault, lying for attention, money, or LOLs, and then victim-blame her, calling her stupid, careless, or even worse. This even happens even when the victim is a teenage girl who was kidnapped raped by an older man, and there is never any real evidence that the female victim is lying. And these posters never back down, never admit they may be wrong, never change their minds though discussion even when facts are presented to them - so tell me again exactly who has a bias and an agenda?

The clear bias against female victims of sexual assault is well and truly disgusting, yet barely anyone says a word to the posters doing it, much less accuses them of bias or of having an agenda.

So it does not surprise me at all that when I misread something and though discussion come to a new conclusion,. and then say so, I'm treated as if I'm the bad guy. Yeah, nah.

"not doing myself any favors" do you think I care what the lot of you think of me, when you behave this way? Take a wild guess at my level of concern here.

You are absolutely right when you say that the majority of sexual assaults are carried out by men but then when confronted with the fact that in this case it was a women you then claim that women sexually assaulting someone is not the same as when men do it and then claim that sexual assault by women has nothing to do with the article.

With respect, that is not what I meant.

What I meant was that I was not addressing the fact that women joined in the groping because at the time I thought it was a separate issue, and at the time I wrote it that was what I honestly believed. And since then, I have changed my mind and addressed the issue. I thought that was clear.

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Misogyny by women against women.

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The audience was all Koreans

Any source for this claim? it is not believable that one event of this magnitude, that includes many different artists was attended exclusively by Koreans.

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Lots of Korean events in Japan these past couple years. This event was promoted heavily in Korea. The audience was all Koreans. Sadly Korean women face sexual assault by Korea men all over the world.

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You obviously have never been to a gig, or she's never performed outside Seoul

If an artists have performed without problems for more than a decade in several countries of Asia and Europe only to get groped for the first time in Japan then the problem is not the artist or "gigs" in general but the place where the assault happened.

You thinking otherwise indicates more about the type of events you attend than about her claim. Even if it seems hard for you to accept it is perfectly possible and even common for artists to mix with their public without being groped.

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Capuchin: "Just admit you either didn't read the article properly, jumped to conclusions or simply let your personal biases and agenda override the article being commenting."

But she has already resorted to the "You're all against me!" argument when she said as much.

Wesley: "And how do we know the gropers were actually Japanese?"

Oh, my sweet lord. And here they come!

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And how do we know the gropers were actually Japanese?

What with so many students coming here from nearby Asian countries.

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Not sure what mistake you think I've made?

I honestly didn't even notice that the article stated women were involved,

That would be the mistake.

. . .since what most of commenters wanted to do was to try to nitpick my comment (as per usual).

I agree with Garypen. You're really not doing yourself any favours. Just admit you either didn't read the article properly, jumped to conclusions or simply let your personal biases and agenda override the article being commenting.

You are absolutely right when you say that the majority of sexual assaults are carried out by men but then when confronted with the fact that in this case it was a women you then claim that women sexually assaulting someone is not the same as when men do it and then claim that sexual assault by women has nothing to do with the article.

I honestly don't get it. If anything you're doing a great disservice to any valid points you're trying to make.

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"In response to some users who blamed her for wearing skimpy clothes..."

Ah, the usual rapists' defense. Unfortunately, it often works with men in power handing down judgements, and with a South Korean perfomer being groped by Japanese? whew... I can already see no one being punished as the judge says, "We understand the people are guilty, but we cannot find them guilty. The defendent will, however, receive ¥20,000 compensation for her suffering as we realize this was a terrible act that cannot be forgiven and may damage the entertainment industry".

I mean, come on... what is Japan's leading entertainment industry for singers/actors? Johnny's. How much did he suffer in the end for what he did? What do you think these people will get, honestly?

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Of course the internet blamed her clothing. Her clothing took control of their synapses and made them grope her.

Crazy how defensive Japanese internet gets when they get accused... and caught red handed on camera no less, that it was somehow her fault. Even going far enough to search through her various appearances to try to contradict this incident. Japan still can't handle sexual assault acusations like adults... Trying to use what about isms instead of a simple, "yeah go after the criminals!" like a normal person.

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This was a culture shock for DJSoda, since she's Korean and and something like this almost never happens in Korea, heck it's a crime to take photo of women in swimsuits at the beach without her explicit consent in Korea, I am not talking about upskirt stuff but just plain street photo as the result of Korea's world famous feminist movement.

This is the reason why young men under 30 voted for Yoon the last election because they were sick and tired of being oppressed by women and Lee who promoted women's rights and equality. Of course they came to their senses and are now voting for the Democratic party like any other age block.

But the point is that groping almost never happens in public in Korea unless it's by a drunk who quickly lands in jail.

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@John

Exactly. I used to love it when I would go dancing, take my top off and girls would have their hands all over my chest. But that isn't even the point, like you say it's a pretty logical conclusion in the situation that if one removes their clothing and approaches other people, those people might think it's acceptable or even an invitation to touch them, and not even in a sexual way. It's as bizarre as walking outside naked and then shouting at others when they dare to look at you.

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“My body is mine, not someone else's. I like to wear revealing clothes and I will continue to wear them,"

can i also say the same and wear revealing clothes? Or Would it be considered insanity? The point is that some common sense should be applied for how much revealing is someone wearing.

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You obviously have never been to a gig, or she's never performed outside Seoul. It's common at gigs but doesn't mean it's assault. It's people wanting to grab a piece of an idol, literally and metaphorically.

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She jumped into a crowd. People touched her. What a surprise. Has anyone here been to a gig.

According to her this do not happen when she takes the same actions in other places, meaning is perfectly possible for the public to be close to her without groping anything, there is no justification.

Unfortunately no picture accompanying this article, but if you see her clothing, then you would not be surprised

It should be surprising even if she was nude, because nobody has the right to grope anybody else no matter what they are wearing.

What makes this even not surprising is the huge number of incidents of sexual violence that happen in the country, making these crimes unfortunately anything but unusual.

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Unfortunately no picture accompanying this article, but if you see her clothing, then you would not be surprised.

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This is ludicrous.

She jumped into a crowd. People touched her. What a surprise. Has anyone here been to a gig.

Being touched and grabbed does not equal sexual assault.

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Yep, very cisgendered since we were not in fact talking about lesbian/bisexual women groping their bride/wife/gf.

Not to belabor the point, but if you have ever been to a lesbian club or event you will find lesbian women also cross boundaries and engage in physical contact with women outside of a relationship

Especially in a club setting and when intoxicants are involved.

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@Tony Kaku. The singer might feel that she can wear whatever she wants and sure, that is her right, but she must accept part of the responsibility for what happens as a result and if she can't make that leap, it is only because she is unburdened by any great intellect or the ability to reflect on her self and her actions. 

Victim blaming.

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Also -

As I have said on MANY occasions, I don't hate men as a whole.

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Nihon ToraToday 05:36 pm JST

I'd probably agree with that conclusion, but I observe that you only came to it once you started considering the woman's reason for taking part. When it comes to the actions of men, you seem to have very black and white, strident opinions, but as soon as you consider women, suddenly it's all nuance and shades of grey. That dichotomy is probably the reason your posts don't seem to have gone down too well in this particular thread.

I actually had that thought myself. I had to have a think though it again in order to get my head round the idea and come to the conclusion that I finally did.

I will also say that since we don't know exactly who or what started the cascade of groping, we can't say for sure whether it was a man or a woman or what their motivation was. But I will also say that men groping women is pretty black and white the vast majority of the time.

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dagonToday 06:12 pm JST

This is very cisgendered, and the PDA between my lesbian aunt and her bride at their wedding would speak very much to the opposite.

Yep, very cisgendered since we were not in fact talking about lesbian/bisexual women groping their bride/wife/gf.

FYI I did say later that there likely are times when a woman might get a sexual thrill out of groping another woman, but that it is a phenomena that is rare, by which I mean the situation would be a very specific one.

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garypenToday 04:53 pm JST

@girl-in-tokyo

I'm normally with you 100%. But, your unwillingness to admit your mistake has turned this comment thread into a needless back-and-forth, and probably alienated many men who would otherwise be on your side.

Not sure what mistake you think I've made?

The fact is, when you said "I hope they find the men who did this and prosecute them for sexual assault", you neglected to mention that a woman was also among those responsible. And, when your error was pointed out to you, instead of simply apologizing and correcting your statement, you became defensive and argumentative.

I honestly didn't even notice that the article stated women were involved, and by the time someone pointed it out I didn't feel it was relevant to the particular comments I was addressing. I still don't, since what most of commenters wanted to do was to try to nitpick my comment (as per usual) so they could accuse me of being a misandrist/man-hating whatever, also as usual.

I guarantee the response and tone would have been much different,

Those here who downvote me and argue with me, downvote me and argue with me no matter what I say even when it is a perfectly normal/reasonable response that is in accordance with what others are also saying.

I am more than reasonable (most of the time) and when I change my mind during the course of a discussion I say so forthrightly. In this case, I still don't see any of my comments being "wrong" - I maintain that I was addressing the topic of men groping women. I did later address the topic of women groping women - in a way that I hope made it clear that I don't condone that behavior.

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Frankly, this should come as NO surprise whatsoever.

You need only search Female English Teacher Stories in Korea to see why

(use your own search terminology)

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@garypen

You are not alone.

@girl_in_tokyo

I too suspect "all those involved (including men) got caught up in the moment and it spiraled out of control."

This assault was not about sexual pleasure.

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Women don't grab women for sexual pleasure,

This is very cisgendered, and the PDA between my lesbian aunt and her bride at their wedding would speak very much to the opposite.

Again, this is not the first occurrence.

https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/dj-soda-allegedly-groped-by-local-man-during-thai-songkran-festival-fans-express-displeasure/

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 I think it's more likely all those involved (including men) got caught up in the moment and it spiraled out of control.

I'd probably agree with that conclusion, but I observe that you only came to it once you started considering the woman's reason for taking part. When it comes to the actions of men, you seem to have very black and white, strident opinions, but as soon as you consider women, suddenly it's all nuance and shades of grey. That dichotomy is probably the reason your posts don't seem to have gone down too well in this particular thread.

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@girl-in-tokyo

I'm normally with you 100%. But, your unwillingness to admit your mistake has turned this comment thread into a needless back-and-forth, and probably alienated many men who would otherwise be on your side.

The fact is, when you said "I hope they find the men who did this and prosecute them for sexual assault", you neglected to mention that a woman was also among those responsible. And, when your error was pointed out to you, instead of simply apologizing and correcting your statement, you became defensive and argumentative.

All you had to do was admit your mistake and correct the statement. You could have also pointed out the tremendous disparity between sexual assaults committed by men vs women. But, only after correcting your original statement. I guarantee the response and tone would have been much different, if so.

(Please don't take this as "mansplaining". I'm simply pointing out the way it looks from a usual ally.)

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This is totally unacceptable.

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餓死鬼Today 11:02 am JST

Anyway, you seem absolutely certain the woman mentioned in the article didn’t grope for sexual pleasure or because she felt sexually entitled to the DJ’s body. What is the reasoning behind your certainty (did you ask the woman herself?) and why do you think she did what she did?

I'm not absolutely certain of anything, since I was not there and I don't know these people. But while it's certainly possible that there are women who get a sexual thrill out of sexually assaulting other women, or that they feel somehow entitled to womens' bodies in the way that some men do, it's far more likely the motivation here was not that, since those phenomena are more rare in women than in men. I think it's more likely all those involved (including men) got caught up in the moment and it spiraled out of control.

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@Zeram1 From what I've heard Korea is even worse!

Been groped in my own country by both sexes, followed by men in cars, even as an elementary school student. Had a man drive next to me and my friend while he masturbated in his car etc. Been groped and sexually harassed in China twice. But have never been harassed even once since I came to Japan. Maybe past my sell by date! Have heard it happening to others though.

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CapuchinToday 11:15 am JST

So why do women sexually assault women? I'm curious.

A good question and not one that is easy to answer in one post. But roughly, I'd say that women are just as susceptible to the thrill of power that men are, and when a crowd gets out of control people will do things that they normally would not do. And yes, in this case, I'd imagine that some of these men who groped the DJ are not the kind of guys who would normally grope a woman.

In addition, it is well-known that some women are so afraid of being a victim themselves that they will take part in victim-blaming other women or even aiding men in sexual assault. There are, as you probably know, numerous famous cases where women have aided their male partners in victimizing other women.

But it's complicated, so if you really want a good, comprehensive answer I'd suggest reading up on it more widely.

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Not really surprising, Clubs etc in Japan is basically a anything goes zone. seems like men and women quietly agrees on that what ever happens in there doesn't matter. A normal night at the club in Japan would have police coming and going the whole night in my home country.

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Quo PrimumToday 12:48 pm JST

And don't blame all men for what some men are responsible for.

I have not ever blamed all men for what some men are responsible for.

Your tone, no offence, seems to be that men in general are responsible for inappropriate physical/sexual contact committed by men ... whereas when women do it, to you it just seems like an isolated incident that you're pretty willing to wave off.

No, I don't blame all men for for all sexual assaults committed by men. But I do very often point out that there are men who, while they do not themselves commit sexual assault, nevertheless contribute to the culture of sexual assault by victim-blaming, or downplaying sexual assault, or automatically calling women liars when women report sexual assault. That tends to make those men mad because they like to see themselves as nice guys when they are anything but.

Touching people inappropriately is always wrong no matter who commits it against whom.

I definitely agree.

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Cosplayers get this crap here all the time, too.

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Her problem is that she didn’t expect it, in the country where women are sex objects and not respected. I guess that the Koreans haven’t gotten around to stealing this misogynistic attitude and behavior from Japanese as of yet.

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I really hope this gets viral and becomes the image of Japan for a few weeks, maybe then society will begin to change.

Countless women are victimized in the country by sexual violence, but not being famous the plea to stop the situation is much more easily ignored. Maybe if Japan is now known also as the place where famous artists get groped when getting close to the public the added pressure can finally make people in general do something about this problem.

Unfortunately this is an outcome too good to be realistically expected.

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girl_in_tokyoToday  08:09 am JST

Don't blame women for what men are responsible for.

And don't blame all men for what some men are responsible for.

I wouldn't be caught dead at a DJ Soda performance or any performance like it. But if I was there, I wouldn't touch her. I have too much respect for people and for sexual morality than to do that.

Your tone, no offence, seems to be that men in general are responsible for inappropriate physical/sexual contact committed by men ... whereas when women do it, to you it just seems like an isolated incident that you're pretty willing to wave off.

Touching people inappropriately is always wrong no matter who commits it against whom.

I think that's a simple concept that everyone, be they hard-core vocal feminists or hard-core social conservatives, can easily get on board with.

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DJ Soda is a performer and a very beautiful one, but that does not excuse or give the right to any one to grope her, regardless of what she is wearing. All stage bands wear stage outfits to stand out, it is part of their act, from Blackpink to BST and that is what they do, it would look very strange if all pop artists came on stage in their normal street clothes. As for groping, this happened to me once at Uni at a dance night, I am not that pretty nor am I blessed with a great body, I am only 157cm tall and ultra thin, oh, and gay, but it still happened, I think the boys thought it would be a great joke, until one of the bigger girls with me showed him the error of his ways by raising her knee.....cough! One good thing tho, he stopped me when I was leaving and was deeply apologetic.

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No. I said: "Women don't grab women for sexual pleasure, or because they feel sexually entitled to their body. While what this one lone woman did was wrong, it's an entirely different issue."

So why do women sexually assault women? I'm curious.

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Correction….

relationships = oral six

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And you accuse ME of exaggerating

?

When did I do that?

Anyway, you seem absolutely certain the woman mentioned in the article didn’t grope for sexual pleasure or because she felt sexually entitled to the DJ’s body. What is the reasoning behind your certainty (did you ask the woman herself?) and why do you think she did what she did?

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Anthony Kiedis of the RHCP wrote a memoir called ‘Scar Tissue’. In it he describes how a girl in the audience performed relationships on him when he dived into the audience. In other words, guys can be victims too.

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fatrainfallingintheforestToday 08:35 am JST

Nobody should sexually assault anyone. But to say that women never do is plainly wrong. I've been inappropriately and non-consensually grabbed by several women. Alcohol was usually involved, but that's no excuse.

I winder how many times I will have to say "that is not what I said" before you stop accusing me of saying it.

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Groping? It's the Japanese way. Happens all the time on trains and close spaces.

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This kind of thing was a major problem at Woodstock '99 - women in the crowd getting groped and grabbed. When the conditions are right, someone's going to go for it. There's always someone.

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stormcrowToday 10:13 am JST

You misunderstood what I said. I said I would tell her not to jump into a crowd of people with little on. Did I say it was OK to assault her? No way! I would say that more out of a sense of concern. Wouldn’t you do the same?

I understand. That's fine.

As for myself, I would not tell my adult daughter not to do something since by then she would know what she is and is not okay with, is or is not ready for, and can or can't handle. Telling an adult woman "don't do that" is condescending.

It reminds me of the scenes in the frist Wonder Woman where the love interest character keeps yelling, "Diana, don't!!" and Diana does what the hell Diana wants and kicks butt in the process.

Maybe stop thinking of women as unable to take care of themselves.

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CapuchinToday 09:37 am JST

So if a man gropes a woman it's sexual assault but if a woman does it it's something else?

No. I said: "Women don't grab women for sexual pleasure, or because they feel sexually entitled to their body. While what this one lone woman did was wrong, it's an entirely different issue."

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Tony KakuToday 09:46 am JST

Or for perpetrating sexual stereotypes about men...

It is not a stereotype that straight men statistically commit the majority of the acts of sexual violence against women. It is a fact.

The singer might feel that she can wear whatever she wants and sure, that is her right, but she must accept part of the responsibility for what happens as a result

Again, don't blame women for the acts of sexual violence that men freely and consciously and with purpose commit against women.

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Though any kind of sexual violence is absolutely wrong

See, you started well...

 one must consider if they are in any way responsible for encouraging These days it seems that many young people feel that exposing themselves is about express their empowerment. Knock yourself out if that is what you have chosen. But don't then complain and cry "victim" when people react based on their culture, personality, upbringing and nature. Oh, and I'm betting this didn't worry her. Likely fake outrage and virtue signaling so as to promote herself. Probably a narcissist.

... then you descend into a nasty rant.

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Elvis is hereToday 08:28 am JST

It seems fair enough to me to point out the role-reversal (you managed to avoid it BTW) considering that it is mentioned twice in the article as the victim herself was shocked enough to report it.

I didn't mention it because it was not pertinent to the discussion of male on female sexual violence.

It is also quite safe to say that women don't sexually assault other women for reasons of the misogynist view that they are entitled to womens' bodies.

Considering that she did not feel the need to brush the female sexual assault off or down play it as you are doing suggests you are pushing an unbalanced agenda. People are responsible for their own crimes as you well know.

I clearly did not brush off or downplay female on female sexual assault. It simply is not the issue here, for reasons I stated above.

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餓死鬼Today 08:21 am JST

Assuming random internet posters are men? You are right in my case, though I don’t know about Elvis.

I have been in this forum for ages, and I know which of you are men and which are women, or else have a pretty good idea.

I said:

Women don't grab women for sexual pleasure, or because they feel sexually entitled to their body. While what this one lone woman did was wrong, it's an entirely different issue.

And then you said:

Are you saying women don’t commit sexual assault? Based on...?

Clearly, I did not say women don't ever commit sexual assault. And you accuse ME of exaggerating, and wonder if you can have a rational discussion? Yeah, nah.

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@girl_in_tokyo

You misunderstood what I said. I said I would tell her not to jump into a crowd of people with little on. Did I say it was OK to assault her? No way! I would say that more out of a sense of concern. Wouldn’t you do the same?

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This groping culture has been going on for ages. From crowded trains to walking the streets in Kyoto. It's all so familiar. And the Police doesn't do anything about it.

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Women don't grab women for sexual pleasure, or because they feel sexually entitled to their body. While what this one lone woman did was wrong, it's an entirely different issue.

girl_in_tokyo

So if a man gropes a woman it's sexual assault but if a woman does it it's something else?

Don't blame women for what men are responsible for.

girl_in_tokyo

The article and the victim herself does state that there was a woman who sexually assaulted her.

You called for the perpetrators to be prosecuted. Under your unique double standards what should the woman be prosecuted for? If at all?

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In my experience, some women seem curious about the breasts of other women, especially those of, let's say, ample magnitude. Some even ask. Perhaps the gropers are not so well endowed or just want to know if the target has false ones. A crowded situation makes for an ideal opportunity to get a grope in too.

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 I like to wear revealing clothes and I will continue to wear them," she said.

more power to you!

being groped at Japan event

ahhh yes Japan, keeping it classy.

let’s hope she never does a show in India. That would be at least ten times worse.

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Japan has a developed groping culture. Not surprising.

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It is a sign of the problem when men must jump in to point out that a sinlge woman was involved when the real issue at hand is male sexual 

It seems fair enough to me to point out the role-reversal (you managed to avoid it BTW) considering that it is mentioned twice in the article as the victim herself was shocked enough to report it.

Don't blame women for what men are responsible for.

Considering that she did not feel the need to brush the female sexual assault off or down play it as you are doing suggests you are pushing an unbalanced agenda. People are responsible for their own crimes as you well know.

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It is a sign of the problem when men must jump in to point out that a sinlge woman was involved when the real issue at hand is male sexual violence towards women.

Assuming random internet posters are men? You are right in my case, though I don’t know about Elvis.

Women don't grab women for sexual pleasure, or because they feel sexually entitled to their body. While what this one lone woman did was wrong, it's an entirely different issue.

Are you saying women don’t commit sexual assault? Based on...?

Don't blame women for what men are responsible for.

I feel like having a rational discussion with you might be a little difficult.

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餓死鬼Today 07:46 am JST

I hope they find the men

And woman.

“...unidentified individuals, including a woman, who she said touched and grabbed her breasts when she descended the stage to interact with fans at a music festival in Sennan”

> Elvis is hereToday 07:58 am JST

male sexual violence.

And female sexual violence, as clearly documented in the article.

I once had my "Crown Jewels" groped as a fumbled pass by a woman in my 20s. I thought it was was very inappropriate and at the time? wondered if a man would have been able to get away with it.

It is a sign of the problem when men must jump in to point out that a sinlge woman was involved when the real issue at hand is male sexual violence towards women.

Women don't grab women for sexual pleasure, or because they feel sexually entitled to their body. While what this one lone woman did was wrong, it's an entirely different issue.

And I think you know that. But if you don't? Again, a sign of the problem is men who resist the very notion that the issue of sexual violence against women is a male one.

Don't blame women for what men are responsible for.

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male sexual violence.

And female sexual violence, as clearly documented in the article.

I once had my "Crown Jewels" groped as a fumbled pass by a woman in my 20s. I thought it was was very inappropriate and at the time? wondered if a man would have been able to get away with it.

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I hope they find the men

And woman.

“...unidentified individuals, including a woman, who she said touched and grabbed her breasts when she descended the stage to interact with fans at a music festival in Sennan”

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Groping has been a serious problem at music venues for a very very long time, and it's about time it was taken more seriously. I hope they find the men who did this and prosecute them for sexual assault.

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stormcrowToday 07:34 am JST

If she was my daughter dressed in skimpy clothes, I’d tell her not to jump into a crowd of people. This could’ve happened anywhere.

As the woman said, no matter what she is wearing there is no excuse for perpetrating sexual violence upon a woman. Instead of shaming women and blaming them for the man's actions, you should be supporting women and advocating for harsher punishments for male sexual violence.

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If she was my daughter dressed in skimpy clothes, I’d tell her not to jump into a crowd of people. This could’ve happened anywhere.

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This is Japan, famous entertainment figure being stalked and sometimes being victim of violance

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/02/28/national/crime-legal/stalker-gets-14-year-prison-term-stabbing-pop-idol/

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"My body is mine, not someone else's. I like to wear revealing clothes and I will continue to wear them," she said.

Not only in Japan and Osaka, but this has happened numerous times on DJ Soda's world tours. She has a brand image and maybe she needs to work out a better security arrangement at the venues.

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That's quite shocking.

In the commotion, she said, it was a woman who grabbed her breasts harder than any of the other festivalgoers.

This could be a one-off or suggest a certain lack of social empathy regarding groping in general.

I hope it's the former as I have high moral standards you see.

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