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dagon
Seems like a cromulent analogy about mechanized systems of oppression and death to young people and right up Water's alley.
Alfie Noakes
Interesting timing. The US State Department has clambered aboard the herd-smearing bandwagon of the lifelong anti-war, anti-Nazi musician Roger Waters just as the New York Times has admitted that the US is supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
Waters is receiving exactly the same treatment as did the politician Jeremy Corbyn, another lifelong anti-racist who was smeared as an anti-Semite in order to destroy Labour's chances to win the 2019 UK general election.
It seems being anti-war, anti-totalitarian and critical of the world's last remaining apartheid country is unacceptable to the US and its vassal states. This latest attack on Waters is straight up McCarthyism and an extremely disturbing portent for the future. The "west" is hurtling face first into a brick wall of fascism.
starpunk
I am and always will be a Pink Floyd fan. They are the Kings of Psychedelic Rock. And in late 1979 the 'Wall' came out and it is a masterpiece, one of the greatest of all time. The movie that came out a few years later also is wonderful. I remember taking GFs to it (one of them couldn't believe Toni Tenille is listed in the credits as 'bkg vocals'! I was amused/stunned to notice that too. Seeing Bruce Johnson of the Beach Boys listed as such didn't surprise me, however.). And in the Navy at the midnight cult classic showings at a local cinema in Orlando I saw it with some fellow squid cohorts. Sometimes we were trashed, sometimes not.
And as I got older the well-made seamless garment of the stresses of musicians' careers, alienation, bad family upbringings, marital infidelity, war, dictatorship, totalitarianism, etc. became even more clear to me. The maturity of this work of art grew even more apparent. And it still does. I'm now 57 and it's a huge cultural monument not just of the 80s, not just of my Generation X, not even just of rock'n'roll itself but of all time. Similar to the impact of Prince in a way.
In 1985 Roger Waters quit Pink Floyd and went solo. I saw Pink Floyd itself at my university in 1994. 16 years later as an alumnus I saw Rog's complete 'Wall' tour also at my alma mater. Like PF, it was hard to get tix, I had to go solo but I didn't mind. It was just the 'Wall' 'rock opera', nothing more or less. I experienced (mentally) my entire life that night; good, bad, ugly.
And the props! However, even in 2010 during the playing of 'Where Should We Go From Here?', a commentary of the shallowness of materialism there were the expected icons projected on the fake wall: $, UK pound sign, Shell Oil logo, Cadillac logo, et al and a JEWISH STAR OF DAVID. That drew a few gasps from the audience but it was brief, all the imagers quickly vanished.
Rolling Stone magazine printed an article about that back then. The tour was a huge success regardless and some stops even featured Roger's fellow ex-Pinkies guesting at the shows. Nice. Rog at the time sheepishly claimed that the Jewish star was a 'slip up' and supposed removed it from his shows. That was in 2010-2011.
Sad to say he has gone more extreme with it. While I agree that Israel (the political state) has been treating the Gazan and West Bank Palestinians badly, it is a political issue, not a religious one. Israel is not Jidaism. And Israel itself is NOT a fascist or an apartheid state as RW has been saying for so many years. He has sassed off the mouth to rockers who have toured there like Bon Jovi and Paul McCartney. Even worse he has ranted some really 'looney toon' theories about Israel controlling everything in the world from communications to even the evil Donald Trump. He hysterically ranted in a video interview with an Arab language media outlet about American cops flying over to Israel to learn techniques about killing Black Americans - like the ugly 'George Floyd' arrest/murder. He shriekingly claims that Israeli soldiers and police do that abusive crap all the time and that they are proud of it. And yes, Virginia he has referred to the 'cabal', the 'cartel' and that hideously ugly 'Z-word' ('Zionism').
And yet while ranting about that he says nothing as much about the real human rights abuses openly practiced by say Russia. He keeps on rapping with this 'Israel this and Israel that' crapola. And ex-Pinkie Dave Gilmour and his wife have said that RW is 'antisemitic to the rotten core;. Roger himself has lipped off about Dave and the deceased Rick as being subpar musicians 'with nothing to say, so blah'.
'So blah', Roger? PF was a sum off all its parts, not just one person's vision. The lyrical themes he explored and wrote about in all those PF albums are pure genius. That's one aspect that puts the Floyd over the others in uts genre. But his solo work does not have the PF musicality that makes the PF discography so grand.
Recently RW has put out an EP of at home reworking of PF + solo songs he recorded during lockdown but out of principal I will not buy it. I don't want to fill the pockets of some stark raving antisemite. I will never go to his shows ever again and I won't buy any more of his CDs. Just like Kayne West/Ye, a stand must be made. Roger's true colors are visible now and I want nothing to do with his Jew-bashing attitude. Enough is enough.
Mr Kipling
Anyone who speaks against the policies of the Zionist government is instantly branded an anti-Semite by the Zionists and the press who are do their bidding. Roger Walters is in good company. Keep fighting the good fight, history will be on your side.
TokyoLiving
US goverment think they are so intelligent but they do not know how to interpret sarcasm..
Pathetic circus, lol..
u_s__reamer
I can't claim I can get inside RW's head, but it doesn't require a high IQ to get that he's just saying the "unmentionable", that the jackboot is now on the other foot, that the egregiously disproportionate violence of the Israeli state in its treatment of the native Arab population, generic to all authoritarian governments, is, in the case of Israel, a means to establish a Jewish Nation-State, the vision of a land for Jews only, dreamt by a nationalistic right-wing leadership. Rocker-mocker, Waters, is unsubtly dialing up the reverb of history's ironic echo of the unspeakable, that only the obtuse and willfully blind for reasons of self-interest refuse to listen to.
Yrral
Blinken so insecure,he gave into Republicans,that threatened him with contempt of Congress,it enough racist trash in America,maybe start cleaning up your in first
Yrral
Who cares about the insecure State Department,they have no say in free speech in America
CPTOMO
U.S. calls rock singer Roger Waters 'anti-Semitic' after Nazi costume furor
Well, yeah, he is an anti-semite, as are his supporters.
Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorists.
Israel treats its Arab citizens better than the Arab nations in the ME treat their own.
Go back to the UK Roger.
u_s__reamer
Blinken, as head of an organization notorious for its blindness to human rights, has naturally no qualms about meeting with MBS, the Saudi butcher-prince: bizness ueber alles as usual, I suppose.
bass4funk
To sum all of that up, Rogers seems to have gotten the attention he wanted, Israel has the absolute right to exist in their own country and the right to root out terrorism to its core, and the left has a problem with that, oh, well.
100% agreed!
TaiwanIsNotChina
You do know that Saudi is the guest of honor at the BRICS genocide summit in August, right? Seems you won't have this line to use anymore very soon.
Fredrik
Long coat with armbands: BAD!
Rising Sun Imperial flag: GOOD?
starpunk
I have no problem whatsoever with the state of Israel, it has every right to exist but it is nothing but a political entity with an old Biblical days name. It was formed in 1948 from a struggle against British imperialists. It is not Judaism itself. At the same time I do not support or endorse in any way the terrorist organizations that are so hung up on destroying Israel either. And none of those groups have an 'Islamic' bone in their bodies. Nonetheless, all the crap from both sides there is purely political, not religious.
At the same time, Israel treats the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank like trash. It's wrong. It's not 'apartheid' as RW puts it but it's still an illegal occupation. Either give it back to the Palestinians or integrate them with full and equal Israeli citizenship. For everyone. It's been nearly 60 years of occupation there. Way too long.
In the mid 90s there was a brief flicker of hope. Israeli PM Rabin got a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in having a 'Palestinian Authority' govern the West Bank region. Things were looking to be in a positive direction, maybe. But soon afterward as Rabin stepped out of a jet that landed at Jerusalem airport, he got offed. It wasn't a Palestinian or a Muslim fanatic that did it either. It was a member of the outlawed Jewish fanatic terror group Kach. All religions have their true practitioners and their fanatics who spoil everything. Needless to say, what chance of a stable and permanent peace in the region went down the tubes after that. Fast.
The current Israeli PM Nutty Yahoo is corrupt to the core. He is rotten, always diverting attention from his crimes by launching stupid missile wars against Palestinians. And as long people like him are around, AND the Arab terrorists in surrounding regions have their excuses - nothing will ever get accomplished politically over there. Zilch.
It must be brought to mind that RW is equating Israel to the European fascist regimes of WW2 and up to around 1975 when it ended in Spain. Not to mention Serbia-Montenegro in the 90s under Milosevic. His bashing of Jews (6 million of whom where exterminated in a 12-year period in Europe!) and by wearing pseudo-fascist getup on stage + pretending to shoot a machine gun is bringing some very bad vibes in Europe, esp. in Germany itself. Fascism and antisemitism has made a horrible scar on history there. And his crazy rants about 'Israeli domination' and that 'Z' word is only stirring up the pot even more. He has repeatedly and increasingly over the past decade been hysterical and shrieking about that, and by placing that 'Star of David' along with other things on that pig balloon during his shows. That only makes things uglier.
Equating Israel to European fascism, esp. Nazi Germany is 'projectionism', a policy bullies use to label others. It's always someone else who's the 'problem', not them. Abusive parents do that to their children, making them feel 'guilty' with mind games. And on a wider scale the immature boor Donald Trump uses projectionism, labelling everyone to be as rotten, criminal, etc. that he is **himself. **
And RW has been talking Jew-bashing trash, with all the signs of antisemitism. Just like Ye.
Talks like, it reflects 'thinks like'.
Acts like.
Labels the subject of hatred to be like.
IS.
Roger Waters is an antisemite, a Jew-hater. And we don't need or want that kind of attitude causing more problems for others.
John-San
They label Waters as anti semite yet he has never been charged with hate speech crime. It a disgust term to tag an innocent person with. What would one expect from Israel who are known to harbor and protect child abusers One Malka Leifer. Fact.
Alfie Noakes
Waters talking about the disgraceful herd-smearing he's being subjected to right now. Nearly 80 years old and still burning with a passion for truth and justice. Fantastic stuff.
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2023/june/6/roger-waters-explosive-interview
Also, as Waters is British and this concert was in Germany, WTF has it to do with the US government?
John-San
Alfie. Three words, the Epstein Taps. That why USA got involved. Epstein started in the early 90,s about the same time Israel started going heavy on the West Bank and Gaza. I have study Israel since that Bridge collapse with all those Athletes on it. Engineers do make mistake like that. That what spark my interest in Israel honesty. So when I heard this article of lies of Roger Waters being Tag again as anti semite ( Israel go to word if you disagree with the Jewish Government ) and the USA involvement my though was Epstein Taps.
Yrral
Majority of American know the State Department is a creature of lies,that why as an American,I promote the values of liberty, equality and justice for all,this why we as American citizen should promote the truth, instead the creature of lies
Yrral
Blinken is insecure,this is been sponsored by AIPAC,a pro Israel lobbying group,they should made to register under FARA as foreign agents act,the struggle with Palestinian, should be the same struggle as blacks and other oppress people in America and around the world Google AIPAC Fara
starpunk
Pink Floyd is anything but a 'hatemonger' band. Sad to say there is a hate group in my home state called 'Hammerskins' that use the exact same crossed hammers image from the 'Wall' album and film. They've been coming out from under a rock and causing some crap in the MidWest during the recent trump dictatorship. But those scumpots formed in the late 80s.
wallace
starpunk
my first PF concert was the The Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music in 1970 in Somerset England. It also included Led Zeppelin, Frank Zappa, and Jefferson Airplane, many others.
https://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bA1.html
I am in this photo
https://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Bath-Festival-front-stage-9.jpg
FizzBit
Waters is spilling the truth about Ukraine and Russia and UK and the US. This news post is just pushing the needle in a little more. Who’s buying this crap but a Bucha robots. Idiocracy lives
bass4funk
Don't even go there, you make it seem as if the Palestinians are law-abiding peaceful people, sure there are some that want real peace, but the majority of them want the Jewish people to leave their land, not going to happen, if the Palestinians want real and lasting peace then they have to recognize the Jewish nation as it exists.
He said that he wasn't. I prefer to give the guy the benifit
Well, people will always have their opinions and no one wants to see this never-ending conflict. Again, Isreali government should do whatever it takes to protect their nation.
Yrral
Bass4,you wonder why people of Israel are reaping,what they sowed among themselves,and are at war with themselves ,what Israel is doing too the people of Palestine,is the same White people tried to do too black people,it did not work out too well
CPTOMO
Very well put, and great insights.
Gareth Myles
@Alfie Noakes
You have made two observations that need to be commented upon.
Jeremy Corbyn was suspended by his own political party because of anti-semitism. You claim he is an anti-racist so cannot be anti-semitic. Don't forget that Diane Abbott - his close colleague and ex-lover - was subsequently suspended for publishing a letter in a leading newspaper arguing that Jews could not be the subject of racism. Under this abhorrent perspective it is possible to claim to be anti-racist whilst actively being anti-semitic.
Why has the US State Department got involved? As the article states: Roger Waters is a resident of New York so therefore must hold a US visa and hence falls under their jurisdiction.
falseflagsteve
What vulgar an idiotic ríes we live in. The irony of it all, pure double speak. He can’t x;rests his views artistically, an no he’s nit a Nazi, lol. To think that defies belief, mind you who knows what people think these days
if he went on stage, fully bearded wearing a dress and said my name is Rogina and I am now they/them and am a woman it would be fine. If an audience member shouted out Roger you’ve gone mad, they may likely be arrested for a hate crime. For this is the world we live in now and many support it until the facists come for them too.
RKL
So wrong.
Israel is not committing a Holocaust against anyone.
Waters "has a long track record of using anti-Semitic tropes to denigrate Jewish people,"
And he expresses a:
"despicable Holocaust distortion."
To even suggest Israel is engaging in anything remotely connected to the Holocaust is textbook anti-semitism.
John-San
RKL VERY VERY wrong. Do your research because Waters has never been charge in any hate speech crimes. Yet you tag him as the biggest hate speaker against Jews. Your statement is pure Israeli propaganda. You are guilty of Hate speak by referring a disgusting term on Waters character as anti semite and there are laws to protect those falsely accused. I remind you again Water has never be charge with Hate Speech Crimes. But Israel is guilty of harbouring and protecting child sex abusers refusing to extradite MALKA LEIFER for 12 years even after breaking bail and fleeing from Australia. But it seem child sex abuser get pass in your Israeli world. The world come out and helps Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe. But the world will never back or helped out Israel with their conflicts. That alone tell you what the world really thinks of Israel and they brought all this bad feeling onto themself.
RKL
I researched the article which we are commenting on.
That is where I got my quotes.
The statements I quoted are from the US government.
The Holocaust is Israeli propaganda?
He is an anti-semite.
What Hate Speech Crimes are you talking about?
John-San
Is Holocaust you’re going to word when you don’t agree with people when mentioning Israel post war atrocities. Israel was not even a country until post war. I am referring to Israel. It seem you got a religious movement confuse with the government of Israel you know that country to run to after committing child sex abuse because Israel will protect them with all the political might. One Malka Leifer a Convicted child sex abuser protected For 12 years . 12 years those poor children had to wait for justice because Israel refusal to give up the Convicted pedifiles even after government corruption was proven is a Israel court of protecting this convicted child sex abuser and still refuse to give her up. That is only one of many child sex abuser Israel is protecting. So you are saying because of the holocaust Israel get a pass on government Corruption practices post war. Israel is known and named as a bad world citizen. That the reason why government will sale military equipment to the Saudi but will never supply Israel. Because Israel is being a bad world citizen not one country will help them with because of their discriminative nature of any race in the Middle East. Wars against Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon Syria and the list goes on. just face it RKK Israel is not like at all by not one nation in the UN because of the racist over tone and continuity waring in the middle killing unarmed female journalists. What a Hero nation. No mate no allies no will sale them weapons and the whole world know this except you.
bass4funk
No, very different, blacks did not bomb or tried to destroy the US or denounced it.
wallace
bass4funk
Many Black people have denounced the US and the Black Panthers.
RKL
It's the word the US government used, as reflected in the article:
who condemned the rocker's "despicable Holocaust distortion."
Well, the founder of the State of Israel at the establishment of Israel seemed to mix the two:
*‘By virtue of the natural and historic right of the Jewish people and by resolution of the General Assembly of the United Nations, we hereby proclaim the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine to be called Israel’*
starpunk
'Jackboot' is term right-wing extremists in America have been using to describe the US government, es[. the cops. Blabbermouth loonies on AM radio have been spouting bullcrap about 'jackboot thug cops gonna take your guns away so shoot them in the head when they break down your door'. That's a 'dead giveaway' term, a red flag right there.
No it is not. Israeli is engaged in an illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, treating the locals like trash. But it is not a campaign of corralling people of a certain classification and herding them into concentration camps to be abused and exterminated en masse. The Nazi holocaust murdered 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews. It happened again on a much smaller scale in ex-Yugoslavia, against Muslims. Israel is not doing any of that or anything close to it. Gaza and the West Bank are under an illegal occupation but that's all it is. Israel is not a fascist or apartheid state in the least. They are not exterminating anyone or anything. Not with the methods or on the scale the Nazis used. Not even close.
RW keeps ranting about Israel wanting to create a 'Greater Israel' just like the Nazis made a 'Anschluss' Germany and Milosevic in the 90s tried to create a 'Greater Serbia' out of the self-destructing Yugoslavia. And he claims that Israel controls the US media, the US government and even the evil Donald Trump. That's the 'Elders and Protocols of Zion' talking right there. He's used the terms 'cartel' and 'cabal' as well. That is antisemitic rhetoric terminology as well. The 'Jewish cartel/conspiracy' crap. And he has repeatedly used that 'Z' word too. All the evidence is there, it's in his terminology, it's in his speech and it's in his mannerisms and demeanor. A classic cookie cutter example if there ever was one.
Yes it is. It's called 'projectionism', shoving one's insecurities on others and blaming others for the things they do. Saying that Israel is fascist and committing a holocaust or a genocide is projectionism and a tool antisemites use all the time. Yes, the political state of Israel's treatment of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is wrong but it's pure politics and is not 'religious'. And it's certainly not even light-years close to a holocaust or a genocide. Saying that it is one is cheapening the severity, horror and ugliness of the genuine Holocaust against Jews (and others) during the 30s and 40s.
John-San
RKL
Europe as a long long memory when come to Jewish history. They remember how The Jews financed both Spain and the Moors in their waring ( Muslins of Spain ). When Spain found out of the double cross all Jew and decendents were expel or killed in the late 1400,s but the Moors who Spain were waring with ( The enemy ) where allow to stay as long has they denounce the religious and became Christian. This privilege was not allowed to the Jews because of the double cross so they disburse throughout Europe and once settle always causing political problem for their host nation. This is why Jews built such distrust throughout Europe for the last 600 years. The reason why the Jews were given a bit of Palestine is because Europe just have a gut full of this problematic people. This is the reason why Israel have no Allies deny any purchase military equipment. Plus Europe remember IMI act. IMI were established in 1933 but IMI refuse to supply any nation at war with the Nazi any weapons or ammunition. Fact. I told the forum that I have study Israel since the False flag walk bridge collapse and consider myself an expert on Jewish history in Europe. I have a book load of truth on the Jewish community to unload if you still want debate moor on the subject.
RKL
Yes, the Jews have been persecuted throughout history in Europe. It culminated in the Holocaust.
Right, the seeds of the "Jewish Conspiracy".
And their historical attachment to the land. Incidentally, the Palestinian Arabs rejected the creation of a land for their people, and they instead invaded Israel, along with 5 other Arab countries.
Israel defended itself and won.
Back to the main point, according to the US government, Roger Waters "has a long track record of using anti-Semitic tropes to denigrate Jewish people," .
nukkuheddo
I think Roger Waters has become uncomfortably dumb
But I'd rather have a Roger Waters in this world than a Vladimir Putin or Benjamin Netanyahu
RKL
First, Waters is accusing Putin.
Second, you'd rather have an anti-semite, the very type of people who made the Holocaust possible, which tried to eliminate all Jews, instead of the leader of Israel whose prime aim is to preserve the country and its Jewish people.
RKL
First, Waters is accusing Putin.
Correction--accusing Ukraine of provoking Putin.
nukkuheddo
Don't believe anyone has ever died over anything RW has said or done.
Don't believe RW is or has ever been investigated for corruption (or his wife for that matter)...
Judge a tree by it's fruits - not it's opinions
RKL
Interesting reveal--millions of German citizens did did not play an active role in Jewish persecution in during the Holocaust. They are absolved from responsibility?
That type of defense is classic anti-semite trope.
Don't believe Netanyahu ever dressed up as a Nazi, or belittled the Holocaust.
John-San
RKL there you go again, your go to word, Now you're saying Europe cause the killing of Jews LOL. No wrong, Nazi were the only political group going around killing Jews. It was the Nazi not any other racal group or political group in Europe that you have accused such a vile act which that rolls of your tongue so easy. But that is what I to expect from a bigoted race. From the time after the mass killing of Jews, Jews first action is always claim to be the victim. The whole world know that the Israel is always the first to instigate the situation then claim victim. Always creating false flag ( suicide bombers) operation to instigation victimhood. I notice you completely ignore the facts I present about Israeli Military Industries complete refusal to supply military equipment and ammo to the Allies cause during the war against the Nazi. That in their M.O. to have a bet each way or double cross, As history show that with the Spanish v Moors war of the 1400,s where the Jew were financing both sides.
As for mass killing, the so call killing of the Jew was a spit in the ocean when when compare number to the 25 million plus Russian slaughtered.
So the next time, and there always will be a next time of you start streaming Holocaust which take precedence over any other larger mass killing, that in it self racist and bigoted.