California air regulators to vote on contentious climate program to cut emissions

California, why not focus on the homeless and the hungry. The open drug use. 

ICE coming soon to shut down your sanctuary cities. 

Round up all them illegals and get them the hell out of Califonia.

Make California Great Again. Then worry about emissions.

Get Butler and Padilla, And Gavin Newsom out of there too.

Five FamiliesToday 05:31 pm JST

ICE coming soon to shut down your sanctuary cities.

Not until you get it past Congress, the Supreme Court, and whatever governors can do with their powers. Going to really tire you out when all is said and done.

California, why not focus on the homeless and the hungry. The open drug use

I haven’t read half of the books ever written on good governance, but it is possible to do more than one thing.

Imagine a California where there are only EVs, and then someone had the idea to introduce internal combustion engines: Twice the range at half the weight, charging in minutes instead of hours, a tank that lasts forever instead of steadily decreasing power, no loss of power on cold days, no sudden combustion into flames that cannot be extinguished with water, half of the wear on roads thanks to the much lower weight, engines made domestically and not in China, no dependence on environmentally disastrous mining of rare earths in China and blood cobalt in the Congo.... I would the think it would be an easy decision.

California has the most Teslas.

Tesla has dominated electric vehicle (EV) sales in California for a long time, holding over 50% of the market in 2024. In 2023, Tesla sold one out of every eight cars in California.

Imagine a California where there are only EVs, and then someone had the idea to introduce internal combustion engines: Twice the range at half the weight, charging in minutes instead of hours, a tank that lasts forever instead of steadily decreasing power, no loss of power on cold days, no sudden combustion into flames that cannot be extinguished with water, half of the wear on roads thanks to the much lower weight, engines made domestically and not in China, no dependence on environmentally disastrous mining of rare earths in China and blood cobalt in the Congo.... I would the think it would be an easy decision

I’d have put my house on you not liking EVs. Full house on the bingo.

Musk will ensure the Chinese EVs are kept out leaving the market for him.

wallace

Musk will ensure the Chinese EVs are kept out leaving the market for him.

Hate to tell you, but Teslas also depend on China, including the toxic rare earths for those ridiculously heavy and dangerous batteries.

Hate to tell you, but Teslas also depend on China, including the toxic rare earths for those ridiculously heavy and dangerous batteries.

That does not mean Musk will not try to keep Chinese EVs out of the US or high tariff rates. Even Trump has changed his tune over EVs because of Musk.

Zaphod

I haven't owned a car, fossil fuels or otherwise, for 50 years. Cut my emissions. How about you?

Imagine a California where there are only EVs, and then someone had the idea to introduce internal combustion engines: Twice the range at half the weight, charging in minutes instead of hours, a tank that lasts forever instead of steadily decreasing power, no loss of power on cold days, no sudden combustion into flames that cannot be extinguished with water, half of the wear on roads thanks to the much lower weight, engines made domestically and not in China, no dependence on environmentally disastrous mining of rare earths in China and blood cobalt in the Congo.... I would the think it would be an easy decision.

What would happen is that people who are anti-EV now, would be anti-internal combustion engines. Anti innovation. Believe every word if the EV lobby. Like they do know of the oil-lobby.

Also EVs are much less likely to catch fire btw.

Are EV the answer? No. The answer is to decrease cars. Radically. For cities a no-brainer, cities are for people, not cars. See "just for bikes" channel on YouTube.

Long distance? Build more trains. High speed trains everywhere.

Great Bird

Also EVs are much less likely to catch fire btw.

Negative. Gasoline tanks do not spontaneously combust, and if they do, the fire can extinguished. Completely different situation from Lithium batteries.

All the other points I mentioned are also true. Weight, range, toxic raw materials etc.

wallace

how many decades have you been polluting with your fossil burning cars?

I do not own a car, and on balance EVs cause more pollution than modern combustion engines. If you want to cut down on emissions, a much better way would be a weight tax on vehicles. See how well your EVs with their bloated batteries do. Remember, that ton of battery has to be shlepped around-.

ZaphodToday 05:48 pm JST

on balance EVs cause more pollution than modern combustion engines.

Only if you live in the dirtiest of power generation areas. This might include Serbia, though.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Only if you live in the dirtiest of power generation areas. This might include Serbia, though.

It is not just the power plants, there is also the whole process of extracting the massive amounts of lithium, rare earths, cobalt, nickel etc. that go into the massive batteries. Then there is the whole infrastructure of getting the power from the plant (or your beloved windmills with their fluctuating output) to the vehicle, with the corresponding transport losses. And then there is the is weight of the lithium battery that has to be dragged around.... in your beloved green Tesla, that is 500 kg that need to be transported constantly. Think that takes no energy and does not cause wear on tires and roads?

The tunnel vision of just looking at the rear of the vehicle and thinking "oh, no exhaust pipe, so that must be green" is amazing.

ZaphodNov. 14 11:07 pm JST

In America the data is quite clear:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/