World can't 'waste time' trading climate change blame: COP29 hosts

cannot deny the overwhelming influence of the oil and gas industry.-4( +0 / -4 )

Well, of course they can: "I don't wanna hear it so it ain't true."

Cop 29. So you have to ask, what did the first 28 achieve? Very little. It's become a circus. The climate change industry.

Maybe it has to repeat because there are vested interests against the idea of doing something. All the deniers and let's-do-nothings cannot deny the overwhelming influence of the oil and gas industry in the failure. How much subsidy is spent globally on subsidising fossil fuels? It was 7 trillion dollars last year!! Even explicit subsidies were 1.3 trillion dollars. 100 billion dollars is 1/13th of that. I know it makes no difference to point out this gross iniquity and the hypocrisy of many because at root the antipathy that the deniers etc feel to actually doing something comes from emotion, not reason. It's ok, they all won't be around to pay the bills anyway and they couldn't care less about future generations. ("Oh look at the virtue signaller saying he's concerned about the future generations" is the kind of cynical outlook that's on repeat too).

Same old story, volume two. So far they made religious wars, terror, civil wars etc and held the photos of injured or killed babies into all available media cameras to get some 'development' aid money. Of course nothing has been or ever will be developed there. But killing isn't nice for population growth and leads to less and lesser needed and received money or humanitarian aid. So they now have created this nice fairy tale on climate issues. It's more peaceful, widely accepted and ensures big and steady money influx from the so-called richer countries. And again it works fine, effortless billions instead of some own education, development and buildung up an own competitive economy.

@fallaffel

Many? Would you believe all cities build infrastructure related to the climate of the area they are situated in.

I am fairly confident that every city in Japan has straighten the rivers, built dikes and dams and installed pumping stations to reduce the risk of flooding and it was done 70 years ago.

China and India are still building new coal-powered electricity plants. How can we talk about global warming without talking about them?

A waste of time, money, and resources attended by shameless hypocrites and grifters. Like Ricky said, the same circus year after year and paid for by we the suckers while the attendees live high on the hog eating food they tell us is killing the planet.

Good work if you can get it.

Zaphod, the greehouse process is extremely dangerous. The reason for this is the non-linearity of the climate system: A small input might trigger an unbounded output. The Hockey Stick temperature curve that we are experiencing now is dissimilar to any temperature curve of the past.

We possess all the technological means that can lead us away from the calamity.

NB Today 01:57 pm JST

The global warming will lead to the loss of our planet, and this will happen pretty soon.

Understood.

Within the decade there will be no more snows of Kilimanjaro

—Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth (2006)

“within the decade,” i.e. before the end of 2010. Got it.

Snow on Kilimanjaro. Photo report for the year 2021

—https://altezzatravel.com/articles/snow-of-kilimanjaro

Understood.

Cop 29. So you have to ask, what did the first 28 achieve? Very little. It's become a circus. The climate change industry.

NB

The global warming will lead to the loss of our planet, and this will happen pretty soon.

"Loss of our planet"?? The planet has been through countless warming and cooling periods and is still there. If you are worried humankind, you might rather consider nuclear war, which is an increasing possibility in more than one area in the world now.

What do you mean nobody knows? Many cities do climate change risk assessments, and (try to) design their infrastructure to reduce these risks. You will see it in Florida when they rebuild after the recent hurricanes.

In other words, another grab for tax payers money. And the idea that giving money to third world nations would "reduce emissions" is ridiculous. What they mean by "adapt to the future", nobody knows.

The global warming will lead to the loss of our planet, and this will happen pretty soon.

Rich countries most responsible for climate change to date agreed to pay $100 billion a year in "climate finance" so poorer nations can reduce emissions and adapt to the future.

In other words, another grab for tax payers money. And the idea that giving money to third world nations would "reduce emissions" is ridiculous. What they mean by "adapt to the future", nobody knows.

virusrex

When the "hosts" represent the group of people that hold most of the blame for the current situation, the declaration feels more like an appeal to let them avoid the responsibility for their actions

Crude oil producers sell to buyers who want their products. Because they need them. Rather than blaming them, try to live a day without consuming anything the production of which is not based on fossil fuels. So... no food, no clothing, no computer, no electricity, no anything. Good luck.

ianToday 01:18 pm JST

Very hard to cough up money now, need to buy weapons

I agree: Russia should stop making so many weapons.

Very hard to cough up money now, need to buy weapons

Rich countries most responsible for climate change to date agreed to pay $100 billion a year in "climate finance"

They've established the blame long ago

COP29 conference in oil-and-gas-rich Azerbaijan

Shouldn't waste time assigning blame indeed. Maybe because it is clear where the blame lies. What a joke! Dracula is now in charge of the blood bank.

$100 billion a year in "climate finance"

Hell, the oil and gas industry should be paying for this out of their trillion dollar a year (10 times the figure here, for the arithmetically challenged) profits.

Many scientists believe the Unfccc is beyond fixing because of things like this. Oil states have been hosting the recent COPs. They'll try to hyperfocus negotiations on the funding situation rather than emission reduction pledges.

When the "hosts" represent the group of people that hold most of the blame for the current situation, the declaration feels more like an appeal to let them avoid the responsibility for their actions. Those that profit from fossil fuels and have become immensely rich from them have also worked for decades to undermine the efforts to inform the public about the dangers and to put blocks on all kind of measures that would reduce those profits. they should be blamed openly.

World can't 'waste time' trading climate change blame: COP29 hosts

When the "hosts" represent the group of people that hold most of the blame for the current situation, the declaration feels more like an appeal to let them avoid the responsibility for their actions. Those that profit from fossil fuels and have become immensely rich from them have also worked for decades to undermine the efforts to inform the public about the dangers and to put blocks on all kind of measures that would reduce those profits. they should be blamed openly.

"Unlock hundreds of billions of dollars."

Those hundreds of billions of dollars come from taxpayers in other countries.

Stay the heck out of my wallet!