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Plant-based meat alternatives are trying to exit culture wars – an impossible task?

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Why do vegetarians want something that looks and tastes like meat? This baffles me. Eat vegetables. You're a vegetarian. Or eat meat. You're an omnivore. If meat is what they want then why don't they just give in and eat it once in a while. As an omnivore, when I eat vegetables I eat vegetables and not meat that looks like vegetables. What's the point of being a vegetarian who eats vegetables that look like meat?

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Gene, I was just about to write a similar comment. Before coming to Japan, I was vegetarian. I wanted my food to be as natural as possible. Making chemical concoctions that look and bleed like dead flesh just doesn't do it. Soy products are high in protein and don't need to imitate meat. Enjoy them for what they are. Ultra processed food is killing people. We need less of this, not more.

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In some cases, conservatives have attached even more meaning to plant-based meat substitutes. Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson, for example, produced a documentary in 2022 featuring the Raw Egg Nationalist, a prominent far-right influencer, who said that Impossible, Beyond and other plant-based companies are part of a “soy globalist” conspiracy to criminalize meat consumption and weaken citizens through poisoned food. The Raw Egg Nationalist also wrote in 2022 that plant-based meat substitutes and eggs are “perverted” products pushed by elites to bring civilization to “the brink of madness.”

It is hard to argue with that (logic?).

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Plant-based meat

This is NOT meat.

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Meat-based food has a much larger impact on global resources than plant-based, as you are growing crops to feed animals to process into food, rather than just eating the crops directly. So far more forest is cleared for a meat diet. Fishing is particularly destructive (in open waters) and polluting (fish farming). Battery farming is cruel.

Vegetarian/vegan meatalike food is a lower impact product that tastes similar to meat, to give meat-eaters a less damaging option. vegetarians/vegans sometimes eat it because it is convenient and recognisable food product without meat.

quote: 44% of Republicans actively believe that there is a “movement in the U.S. to ban red meat.

44% of Republicans most likely believe in an American God, that Europe is a country, that the moon landings were fake, that Elvis is alive and that the Earth is flat. Some things are too broken to be fixed.

There is no point in trying to force food products on people who don't want to eat them. And logic/science doesn't work on Trump supporters.

Government manipulation by price increases (energy costs, currency downgrades, vehicle fines, farming regulations) and other means (vet costs, export restrictions, abattoir restrictions, planning blocks, disease issues) have already been established as the way to go in such areas. They would lose too many votes by more direct actions. And they care more about votes than climate change or anything else.

As a vegan I don't care what you all eat. Just be honest enough to accept responsibility for any extra impact you are causing - emissions, animal suffering, pollution and deforestation.

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Why do vegetarians want something that looks and tastes like meat? This baffles me. Eat vegetables. You're a vegetarian. Or eat meat. You're an omnivore. If meat is what they want then why don't they just give in and eat it once in a while. As an omnivore, when I eat vegetables I eat vegetables and not meat that looks like vegetables. What's the point of being a vegetarian who eats vegetables that look like meat?

I think you are missing something. I believe the whole point of vegetable based meat is not to appeal to vegans or vegetarians, but to appeal to dedicated meat eaters who understand that red meat isn't the healthiest thing in the world to eat, but still crave it. This gives them an alternative that satisfies the meat craving while providing some of the benefits of a vegetarian diet. Make sense now?

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Those fake meats are just a concoction of chemicals. Eat meat or just eat your veggies lol

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These ultra processed foods are higher in sodium and other substances that accumulate damage over time. Insufficient testing over a lifetime of use on a limited number of people to determine safety of this new processed food group exists. The first generation to consume such foods long term will provide vital information.

This is not the time for mass release or for companies to try to make their fortune.

Cigarettes were first sold as a medical solution for nerves, to calm people down. We now know how dangerous that is.

I wont be consuming these products. Real meat in moderation is fine for me.

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Meat-based food has a much larger impact on global resources than plant-based, as you are growing crops to feed animals to process into food, rather than just eating the crops directly. So far more forest is cleared for a meat diet. Fishing is particularly destructive (in open waters) and polluting (fish farming). Battery farming is cruel.

Good, more fish for me.

Vegetarian/vegan meatalike food is a lower impact product that tastes similar to meat, to give meat-eaters a less damaging option. vegetarians/vegans sometimes eat it because it is convenient and recognisable food product without meat.

They can have all the carrots and lettuce they want

quote: 44% of Republicans actively believe that there is a “movement in the U.S. to ban red meat.

56% of Republicans/Conservatives know that will never be allowed to happen.

44% of Republicans most likely believe in an American God, that Europe is a country, that the moon landings were fake, that Elvis is alive and that the Earth is flat. Some things are too broken to be fixed.

I think 56% of liberals need to stop believing all of this crazy fantasy garbage

There is no point in trying to force food products on people who don't want to eat them. And logic/science doesn't work on Trump supporters.

Logic and science most definitely work, I will give you an example: Science-Salt and Pepper is all you need to have a good and decent steak.

Logic- If I don't consume beef, someone else or some other nation will eat it.

That was too easy.

Government manipulation by price increases (energy costs, currency downgrades, vehicle fines, farming regulations) and other means (vet costs, export restrictions, abattoir restrictions, planning blocks, disease issues) have already been established as the way to go in such areas. They would lose too many votes by more direct actions. And they care more about votes than climate change or anything else.

What? Anyway, this is spot on.

https://youtu.be/NhrBm7PgqXA?si=W9jyIP6Sdjsm_jnH

As a vegan I don't care what you all eat. Just be honest enough to accept responsibility for any extra impact you are causing - emissions, animal suffering, pollution and deforestation.

And that note, I will go back to my grill and eat some BBQ-pulled pork

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bass4funkToday 01:35 am JST

Vegetarian/vegan meatalike food is a lower impact product that tastes similar to meat, to give meat-eaters a less damaging option. vegetarians/vegans sometimes eat it because it is convenient and recognisable food product without meat.

They can have all the carrots and lettuce they want

They can also have all of the meat substitutes they want because this is still a free country.

Logic- If I don't consume beef, someone else or some other nation will eat it.

No product has a fixed demand, let along a perishable one.

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They can also have all of the meat substitutes they want because this is still a free country.

I never said that they couldn't.

No product has a fixed demand, let along a perishable one.

Meat is always in demand, meat protein especially.

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