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Abortion training under threat for U.S. med students, residents

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By LINDSEY TANNER

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Very glad to hear this. Abortion is killing a life thats growing.

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Abortion should only be an absolute last resort when the mother's life is in danger or in other, rare exceptions. Abortion for convenience is murder.

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I do not understand Americans, they do not think twice about going to other countries and murdering people by the thousands, but throw their hands up in horror over something that is not even a proper person yet.

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Why is it just "a medical procedure" to mutilate an innocent baby in agony? I am OK with abortion as long as it is done early before the baby has nerves.

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Disgraceful. Inadequately trained doctors lead to risks for the patient.

abortion is a woman’s personal choice, it is for no one else to decide.

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abortion is a woman’s personal choice, it is for no one else to decide

Does the baby get a say in whether it lives or dies?

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This is just killing another person who does not yet have a voice to say: Please don't kill me.

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Do you know why the baby doesn't get a say in whether it lives or dies?

Because it's not yet a baby.

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Women should absolutely have the right to do what they want to their own body, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.

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Because it's not yet a baby.

So when is the cut-off point where you think it's acceptable to kill an unborn fetus?

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@prionking: Define 'for convenience' - Absolutely a womans choice with no exceptions.

Not giving the necessary training to doctors is an extremely bad omen for the future. The US is simply going backwards on so many issues.

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@prionking: Define 'for convenience' - Absolutely a womans choice with no exceptions.

Nowadays too few people are willing to take responsibility for their actions, and instead opt for the easy way out. Get pregnant after a fling? Hey, just abort. Outside of r@pe, the act of sex takes two consenting people, and those two people must take responsibility for the consequences of their fun if contraception fails or they didn't use any.

There are loads of people out there who would love to adopt a child if the mother doesn't want to keep the baby. It's a disgusting insult to those who can't naturally conceive when those who can just toss away a life because they got drunk one night or had an affair or a baby would get in the way of their career, and a baby is just too inconvenient for them.

Then they have to put it on a doctor to perform a medical procedure that many doctors find abhorrent but in some places are legally prevented from refusing to do. It also carries health risks, may prevent future pregnancy and can be psychologically harrowing for the women themselves, with many deeply regretting the decision afterwards.

That doesn't absolve the man of any blame, either. The world is full of deadbeats who bolt at the first sign of responsibility, so I can appreciate women not wanting to keep a baby made with such a loser. But outside of r@pe the woman still has the choice not to sleep with the loser anyway. Life is about choices, and we can't always expect someone to bail us out when we screw up, especially when there's a new life involved. Ultimately its women who choose, so they need to choose wisely or buckle down and carry the baby to term and then raise it themselves or offer it for adoption.

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@Hello Kitty 321 You don't understand Americans because you are not an American, but no matter where you go you want the status quo to accept your ideology. Your post seem to point the fact that "ALL AMERICANS" don't think twice!! Your voice is not the voice of "ALL AMERICANS" I would have respected your post more if you said "SOME AMERICANS". TO make it clear ALL AMERICANS don't go to other countries to murder people by the so "call thousands". As a matter of fact I don't know of one American that goes abroad just murder someone". Your logic is very biased!!! I will admit that I do know Americans who have had abortions and I know A LOT of female FOREIGNERS who have come to America and have received abortions. This is a big world and I understand SOME PEOPLE world is only what they read and what is in front of their computer screen and not what they actually EXPERIENCE. You are excused!

I do not understand Americans, they do not think twice about going to other countries and murdering people by the thousands, but throw their hands up in horror over something that is not even a proper person yet.

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Oliver Wendell Holmes noted, “Certitude is not the test of certainty. We have been cocksure of many things that were not so.” Hot-button issues tend to show folks as being completely wrong about the issues. Education is meant to make people think and experience different situations to "think outside of the box." School is not meant to make folks comfortable and remain in their homogeneous established set of believes and values - that's what remaining isolated in your village accomplishes.

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People should mind their own business. I'd throw the bible back in their faces.

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Algernon LaCroix

@prionking: Define 'for convenience' - Absolutely a womans choice with no exceptions.

Nowadays too few people are willing to take responsibility for their actions, and instead opt for the easy way out. Get pregnant after a fling? Hey, just abort. Outside of r@pe, the act of sex takes two consenting people, and those two people must take responsibility for the consequences of their fun if contraception fails or they didn't use any.

So why would you limit the range of options for people taking responsibility for their actions? One of the options is aborting the fetus. You don't have to take responsibility for other people's actions, so let them choose the course of action that they wish to pursue. It has nothing to do with you.

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You don't have to take responsibility for other people's actions, so let them choose the course of action that they wish to pursue. It has nothing to do with you.

You're missing the point. Of course what another person does has nothing to do with me, but it does relate directly to the people it affects. That includes an unborn child. Because in practice it's impossible to pinpoint the moment a blastocyst becomes a fetus, it's fair and reasonable to consider conception as the moment a new life begins and therefore should be carried to term. Outside of a few exceptions such as medical emergencies and r@pe, abortion is both avoiding responsibility for one's actions and killing for convenience. I recognise there are some grey areas, but they're the exception rather than the rule.

We could go on and on about this, but that's my position that I've come to after a lot of thought. It's not even specifically based on religion, although that informs my opinion to a certain extent. It's simply a moral and ethical result of the non-aggression principle.

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prionking

You don't have to take responsibility for other people's actions, so let them choose the course of action that they wish to pursue. It has nothing to do with you.

You're missing the point. Of course what another person does has nothing to do with me, but it does relate directly to the people it affects. That includes an unborn child.

No there isn't. There is a fetus.

"it's fair and reasonable to consider conception as the moment a new life begins and therefore should be carried to term."

No, it isn't fair and reasonable, which is why US law and in most countries, abortion is legal until a fetus is viable without the mother.

abortion is both avoiding responsibility for one's actions and killing for convenience.

Absolutely not. Having an abortion is taking responsibility, and it isn't convenient.

We could go on and on about this, but that's my position that I've come to after a lot of thought. 

Sure, and I would say that you keep to your position. Just don't expect others to uphold your position.

 It's simply a moral and ethical result of the non-aggression principle.

According to your morals. But different people have different morals, and you can't expect them to follow your morals.

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It really is quite infuriating when Christians insist that not only is their religion THE religion, but that everyone else must also follow its edicts.

They don't seem able to grasp that the US is not a theocracy and continue to push for more power.

This is why I'm not just atheist, but anti-theist.

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Abortion is a complicated ethical issue even without any religious involvement because it deal with something that can't be so easily decided (what makes a life human).

But that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the medical procedure can be essential to save lives and that a medical professional requires training and practice to do it safely, the article makes it painfully clear that doctors that do not want to do it are not obliged, but if those that have no problem with learning the techniques can't do it that increases the risk for the patients and lives can be lost, even if the gestation is already over and there is no other life to save.

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