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Are doctors and teachers confusing immaturity and attention deficit?

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I know the medications, doses, and diagnosis. 

Of what. Again, too general to have any meaning.

I didn't know oatmeal was such a threat to someone's worldview that they would rather children suffer instead. 

Brilliant logic.

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I know the medications, doses, and diagnosis. Decades of dealing with the issue from doctors. And I merely am sharing what allowed me to leave Big Pharma forever

I didn't know oatmeal was such a threat to someone's worldview that they would rather children suffer instead. Yikes

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Doctors don't know how to manage something dietary in nature. They don't receive dietary training. Ask them. They're good for diseases, as that's their training

Too general to mean anything.

This is important for those that are at wits end. Since this doesn't concern you it isn't your business

If you have private business to conduct, take it to a private space. There's no reason why this public space has to be a one-way bulletin board for you to promote antiscientific drivel.

I'm sharing what works, is that ok? No doubt you will have further complaints

You went much further than that. Saying that people in a company being on medication is "unnecessary" is not sharing what works, it's baseless opinionizing by someone wholly ignorant of reality. You can't possibly judge what their medical needs are individually, let alone en masse. You don't know what their medical history is, you don't have the tests and data at your disposal, you don't have the medical knowledge to make a diagnosis or recommend a treatment.

You could hardly be at a greater disadvantage for deciding who should and who shouldn't be on medication. Not knowing what you're talking about is not a qualification, it's a character flaw.

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wipeout

steel cut oats is also rolled oats. It's just a branding term of the type of oatmeal in the bag. Only oats, not any added sugars or ingredients. 1 ingredient in a bag

If you use cronometer website, (its free) you can put 1.5 cups of oatmeal in the listing and see the astounding nutrient quality of such a simple food. B vitamin powerhouse plus zinc. Add walnuts/flaxseed meal for the omega 3s. Add soy milk for a bit more nutrient punch. For all the negative things in Japan diets of late, the continued prevalence of soy foods is keeping it healthy so I don't think I need to defend it.

You don't have to be totally vegan to benefit from such a breakfast but it helps and maximizes reduction of inflammation and reactions.

What I have found is that Zinc calms the active brain down, so that we can handle stresses better and not overreact. The omega3s help focus. I need both. One or the other left out and it doesn't work. What food combinations you use are up to you

I had chronic insomnia as a kid. This made it sometimes physically impossible to go to school. I found that plant based life has meant I have more restful sleep and an overactive mind can find rest.

I'm sharing what works, is that ok? No doubt you will have further complaints

Ah-so

The condition can also affect girls but it is mainly boys. The phys-ed approach has worked in some school districts where kids exercise just before class

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ADHD diagnoses are often totally unnecessary. The reasons children, especially boys, aren't paying attention in class might be the following:

They are boys.

We shouldn't classify what often seems to be very natural behaviour as a medical disorder.

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don't know what to say. I found it to be a dietary disease and by fixing diet it was manageable. It's a condition we make for ourselves and it is a real effect but it can be managed. This is important for those that are at wits end. Since this doesn't concern you it isn't your business

Doctors don't know how to manage something dietary in nature. They don't receive dietary training. Ask them. They're good for diseases, as that's their training

it doesn't 'make all the difference'.

Yeah it really does. Calms you down when you have 2 exams in one day, nosy parents, and personal doubts. ADHD kids fail a lot. Change of diet leads to honours students. Big difference. But you have to live it to know that.

If you don't know the suffering people go through how you can comment is a mystery

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It's all the nutrients, but most notably the hard to come by Zinc that makes all the difference

Nonsense, it is easy to eat enough zinc and it doesn't 'make all the difference'.

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Ah I see I missed that. Add Oatmeal to my food list in the first post.

With or without oatmeal, the first post simply outlines a faddy diet - and a vegan one by the look of it - that supposedly cures ADHD.

Now you might be tempted to backtrack and say you never mentioned a cure, but by post 3, you sound excessively confident: "for the kids very easy. Normal steel cut oatmeal with nothing added, for the zinc magnesium Flaxseed meal or walnuts for the omega 3s. Add it as is with soy milk and cinnamon and it's quick. Pills or oatmeal, that is the question"

I was tempted to asked WTF about the steel-cut thing, and is this supposed to be a contributor to ADHD, but I'm hesitant to open the door to further raving.

I understand from your writing that science is something to be disregarded as an irritating inconvenience, and would be better replaced by enthusiastic gushing.

What a reader can take away from your posts is the following:

You imagine that you know better than doctors. ("In one company half the staff were on medication. It's scary. And unnecessary.") No examination of the patient, no medical degree, no medical experience, no knowledge of anatomy, pathology, or pharmacology. Just "medication unnecessary".

For conditions that have been extensively studied for half a century or more, you prefer to ignore all the data, all the work, and all the progress. ("How sad is it that we reach for the pills rather than study the problem?")

You think an immensely challenging issue can be boiled down to a completely phony dichotomy: "Pills or oatmeal, that is the question".

You believe that a condition which specialists say is complicated even to treat is actually easy to cure. (There's nothing new about that, it's called quackery.)
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The strange this about oatmeal this discussion oatmeal us that no one seems to oatmeal have actually noticed the strength of the oatmeal findings in that 34% in oatmeal diagnosis was literally for no other oatmeal reason, other than if the child's birthday was in oatmeal August or September, in other words "age in class ! "

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wipeout Dec. 5  09:02 pm JST

Pills or oatmeal, that is the question

On the contrary, that's just a way of irrelevantly shoehorning the word "oatmeal" into a topic, on the assumption that people will be too witless to notice that it's suddenly appeared there.

Ah I see I missed that. Add Oatmeal to my food list in the first post. I had put it in but apparently mis-typed it out. Oatmeal Oatmeal Oatmeal!

It's all the nutrients, but most notably the hard to come by Zinc that makes all the difference

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The amygdala organ in the brain switches on the body's fight or flight physical arousal in life threatening emergencies. In children up to the age of around 5 it also narrows the child's awareness by dissociating from consciousness much of the sensory inputs and feelings and thoughts about what is happening so the child is only aware of doing what is necessary to survive. Because of this partial amnesia for what happened, the child's brain does not realize the emergency is over, so the mind/body remains in a chronic state of emergency arousal. Healing can only happen when the dissociated parts of the experience come into consciousness in a safe way so the child fully understands what happened and the mind/body knows it is finally over and can stand down from the chronic state of emergency arousal. The failure to recognize and properly help such children who are suffering the chronic PTSD effects of overwhelming trauma is the principal cause of most mental and emotional illness in later life as well. Such children and adults need the help of caring people to understand and heal themselves, not to be labelled as having some incurable illness that will require drugs for the rest of their lives.

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I have long held the belief (which I've not seen discussed anywhere) that some of ADHD is a direct result of children not having enough to do in terms of work that contributes to the family and society in which they live.

In non-technological societies children can function as adults as soon as they master the technology which can be as early as age 10. They can hunt by setting snares, gather, fetch water, look after younger siblings and so on.

In evolutionary terms a child's life of sitting in school from 3 to 18 and beyond is very recent. Even 100 years ago many children went to school from ages 6 to 12 and then went to work out of economic necessity. Before going to school they had to fill the wood box, care for the animals they owned, do regular chores and walk many miles to get anywhere. They were not sitting in a desk and pushing pencils or exercising their thumbs on a gaming device.

I think part of the problem with ADHD diagnoses (in addition to diet which sf2k mentions) is that the human mind and body are not designed for the world we live in now. Big pharma, however, loves it.

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Pills or oatmeal, that is the question

On the contrary, that's just a way of irrelevantly shoehorning the word "oatmeal" into a topic, on the assumption that people will be too witless to notice that it's suddenly appeared there.

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ADHD is such a made-up condition.

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ADHD diagnoses are often totally unnecessary. The reasons children, especially boys, aren't paying attention in class might be the following:

They are bored with the content

They feel 'lost' in a crowd of 30 or more students

Tiredness due to lack of sleep, which might be due to several causes

Emotional or disciplinary issues

Lack of exercise

Etc.

Drugging them should very rarely or never be the answer. Of course that means less money for the medical system......

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for the kids very easy. Normal steel cut oatmeal with nothing added, for the zinc magnesium Flaxseed meal or walnuts for the omega 3s. Add it as is with soy milk and cinnamon and it's quick

Pills or oatmeal, that is the question

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It's becoming a lot like THX1138

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I got off that medication ages ago by changing diet. That they are prescribing psychotropic drugs at such a young age is just terrible.

For me it was a dietary deficiency, and given the low quality of food and the increasing prevalence of processed food it lines up in my mind that this is a corporate plight inflicted upon us.

Broccoli flaxseed walnuts peanut butter seaweed and others for natural focus on omega3's magnesium and zinc. No pills no supplements. Whole foods. That's all it took.

How sad is it that we reach for the pills rather than study the problem? And that we believe corporations that directly benefit from the sale of pills?

In one company half the staff were on medication. It's scary

And unnecessary

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