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Can healthy people who eat right and exercise skip the COVID-19 vaccine?

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Diet and exercise alone will not protect you from Covid

9 ( +30 / -21 )

when it comes to COVID-19, this thought process is abandoned by some who believe that a healthy lifestyle will substitute for the vaccine, without seriously considering what the vaccine actually does to provide protection against the virus – something that a healthy lifestyle alone simply cannot do.

Many people have claimed they exercise and are healthy, therefore don't need the vaccine. I drink so little that I almost don't drink, I eat healthy, I exercise nearly daily, and I commute by cycle. So I really want it to be true, that my health level will be enough to protect me against Covid.

Unfortunately my conclusion through a good bit of research is supported by this article - being in good health is a good thing, but isn't enough to protect you from Covid.

17 ( +35 / -18 )

I don't want to read craps like this.

-6 ( +24 / -30 )

That type of vaccination is not about "your little case", you get vaccinated to stop propagating a virus. Period. Only valid reason for skipping vaccination is that you have a health condition that prevents it.

being in good health is a good thing, but isn't enough to protect you from Covid.

Plus you never really know if your health is that good, you may have something hidden.

Your physical body belongs to you and you only.

Your freedom stops where others' freedom starts. Others have the right of not being contaminated by you or your belongings.

4 ( +24 / -20 )

We eat a whole food diet and visit the gym but we also had the vaccination. Covid and Corona are the same. COVID-19 is a novel strain of coronavirus. The vaccination should give us 90% protection against infection. Our wholewheat bread and brown rice will not do that. If we become infected we will suffer less and reduce the possibility of passing it to another by more than 50%. Our chances of infections and passing them on are greatly reduced.

We are required to take a range of vaccinations to prevent infections and also passing them on. Measles, polio, smallpox, yellow fever, rubella, Those vaccinations are compulsory in many countries for children before attending schools.

People have the choice to not be vaccinated but what about when they infect other people?

People could have underlying conditions without knowing it.

The vaccination programs have greatly reduced the cases and deaths but we are winning a battle but still have not won the war.

5 ( +24 / -19 )

Just out of interest @Burning Bush, have you had any vaccinations in your life?

What did you have and why did you have it?

Yes it’s your body etc but if vaccination helps prevent serious illness what is the issue?

5 ( +19 / -14 )

No, they should not.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

I’m not afraid of my neighbors giving me an infection so I have no need to isolate.

It is sad that it needs to be said, but the world do not centers in any single person, including yourself.

If it can be proved scientifically that not-vaccinating increased the risks not only for the person refusing the vaccines but also for everybody else this person is in contact with, that would mean isolating is the appropriate action to take to make up for that increase.

But of course this would be only if the person is at least a little bit rational, have consideration for others and can think outside of his own personal profit, which unfortunately do not apply for everybody. It is the same as people that refuse to have manners, shower or wash their hands after going to the toilet just because it is not against the law.

0 ( +17 / -17 )

Thousands of young and healthy people have become infected and died when the vaccinations would have saved them. Many on their death beds begging for the vaccination but too late.

For those people, if approved maybe the new Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics’ oral antiviral treatment Molnupiravir will help reduce those deaths.

0 ( +12 / -12 )

Can vaccinated people skip eating right and exercise skip the COVID-19 vaccine?

Yes it’s your body etc but if vaccination helps prevent serious illness what is the issue?

Indeed, it will confer a reduction in symptoms for a few months, but every time you get the vaccine, there is a chance of serious side effects (including death). There are other safer ways to reduce the symptoms...

What I don't like about the article is that they do not mention vitamin D and zinc. And also their focus on the vegan diet, though it is better than the standard American diet...

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BurningBush

Have you been exposed to covid? How many tests have you had?

0 ( +12 / -12 )

Oooops, I messed up my 1st sentence:

Can vaccinated people skip eating right and exercise?

3 ( +9 / -6 )

If you fear your neighbors, the onus is on you to isolate yourself from.

Do you live in a cave isolated from everyone all the time and never have contact any with the outside world? I doubt it. We all inhabit communities where we have frequent contact with others shopping, working and traveling places. And that is how a pandemic spreads. Human contact. Doesn't have to be your neighbor. Do you know every person you encounter every day and know their personal health situations? No, and don't try to tell us you do. You could be sick and not know it also. No shortage of documented cases of this, making you possibly a silent carrier of someone else's suffering. Everyone, every single person, must do their part to stop the spread of the pandemic. If enough people refuse vaccinations, mask wearing and social distancing, we will never stop the pandemic and hundreds of thousands more people will die. Being stubborn and refusing to wear masks and be vaccinated is literally condemning others to suffer and die. You and I and everyone else has an obligation to our communities and our nations to do everything possible to stop this pandemic. No exceptions. Everyone must shoulder some of the burden or we all suffer.

0 ( +13 / -13 )

Yrral

Zichi,Is Japanese food still contaminated with radioactive isotope of cesium and strontium, in the rice and milk,

Are you living in Japan and if so what foods are you eating?

3 ( +10 / -7 )

But I think rice and milk are not exported.

I have never seen Japanese rice for sale in the US.. Most imported rice is from Thailand and Vietnam. The US grows quite a bit of its own rice in Louisiana, Texas and California.

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BurningBush

Do you have no callers to your home? No deliveries. No need for any repairs? Do you work in isolation and never go outside for shopping or healthcare? Do you never travel on public transport?

0 ( +13 / -13 )

Well we're going into winter so let's who gets sick more:

the healthy unvacced

the unhealthy unvacced

the healthy vacced

the unhealthy vacced
8 ( +14 / -6 )

Indeed, it will confer a reduction in symptoms for a few months, but every time you get the vaccine, there is a chance of serious side effects (including death). There are other safer ways to reduce the symptoms...

Never to the point of the option, which is not vaccinating and getting much higher risks from the infection, this have not changed.

Can vaccinated people skip eating right and exercise?

The difference is that your false strawman is not being pushed by anybody, while the title of the article is a well know disinformation from antivaxxers.

Well we're going into winter so let's who gets sick more:

Why would you expect the data from millions of people to change in the future? it is clear that being healthy otherwise for the infection makes it for a better outcome, and so is vaccinating, which increases even more the chances of avoiding complications and death.

I do not have an irrational fear of infection

But you have, of vaccines. that have proven to be safer than risking infection.

0 ( +15 / -15 )

@Burning Bush

Ok, like most of us I’m sure you’ve had your childhood vaccinations and you’re still here right? No adverse effects?

I have no issue with you exercising your right to say no to a vaccination, but you obviously have had them in the past for good reason.

Should you decide to travel to a part of the world where various exotic illnesses are rife, are you prepared to do so having taken no precautions? Are you that confident?

0 ( +10 / -10 )

BurningBush

how many people in your company are vaccinated?

-1 ( +12 / -13 )

Younger, healthy unvaccinated people dying from COVID, health officials say.

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No...that isn't how diseases work.

By all means eat healthy and exercise, it helps with a lot of different things, but also get all of your vaccinations. Yes, including covid.

I have literally never heard this argument even brought up for any other vaccinations before. Can you imagine somebody declining the chicken pox or polio vaccinations because they have a good diet?

Professional athletes, who I feel very confident in saying eat healthier and exercise more than anyone here, contracted the disease.

This really is not that complicated.

5 ( +14 / -9 )

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Nice try, but there's no such thing.

4 ( +11 / -7 )

Simply, No, they cannot - not should they.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

Question: Can healthy people who eat right and exercise skip the COVID-19 vaccine?

Answer: No

0 ( +13 / -13 )

It is always a good idea to try to live a healthy lifestyle, but things like polio, chicken pox, small pox, yellow fever, tetanus, bubonic plague, and a host of other diseases, need modern medical practices preventing them.

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Is the COVID vaccine available globally, or are fewer than 50% of the world's people presently vaccinated right now? (Under 50%, with the developing world minus China at under 20%)

Nevertheless, Is the survival rate of COVID worldwide, even with this MASS of un-vaccinated people, STILL over 99%? (On average, yes.)

Do more than 85% of all those deaths from COVID ALSO have one (usually several) of the following per-existing health problems: Cardiovascular Disease, Diabetes, Chronic Respiratory Disease, Hypertension or Obesity? (Absolutely, usually a combination of the above.)

Is America, the country hardest hit by COVID deaths, known for its healthy population/diets? (What do you think?!)

Do almost 80% of those same COVID deaths occur in people OVER the average life expectancy age they should expect to live to be in their home country? And were only 0.2% of all these global deaths to date aged 25 or younger? (Yup.)

Does the COVID vaccine "proof" you against death, or "guarantee" you won't catch, carry and spread the virus to others? (Nope. Not even close.)

Are there places in the world where you can both be Fully Vaccinated AND forced into Endless Isolation/"Quarantine"? (G'Day, Mates! Howdy, Kiwis!)

Is this hysteria for foolproof-less vaccines (and especially demands on OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES) getting all out of proportion? And would a healthier lifestyle help to prevent (not preclude, just like the vaccine) people from dying of the COVID virus, even if unvaxxed? Even if SICK with COVID AND unvaxxed? (.......)

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Skipping the vaccine is a choice every individual is entitled to.

No approval, authorization or permission from anybody else is required.

Your physical body belongs to you and you only.

Yes correct. Those people are perfectly free to make this choice.

However they will pose a danger to others so they should be banned from all forms of public life and any mixing with normal people.

-1 ( +11 / -12 )

People who have a healthy, naturally functioning immune system that has not been artificially altered, have much less to fear from a corona infection

I don't fully buy that. How to define "healthy" and "naturally functioning"? Is it not in relation to known diseases and conditions? New diseases surely add a new factor, and it's quite possible what might normally considered healthy (or unhealthy) is quite different in relation to a new disease.

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

The onus is on you to prove that your neighbor is a threat.

The purpose of the measures is to limit the way people risk the public health, it is easy to demonstrate not vaccinating is correlated with a higher risk of transmitting the disease. This works the same with many other things, from not washing your hands to smoking in public places the "threat" is the invalid extra risk.

0 ( +12 / -12 )

ICUs are full with ‘healthy’ young people with Covid, most of which are unvaccinated. What about athletes with Covid?

-3 ( +7 / -10 )

Professional athletes, who I feel very confident in saying eat healthier and exercise more than anyone here, contracted the disease.

Some athletes that have used steroids in the past can get very sick with covid.

There have also been some professional athletes who had to put their career on hold because of the vax.

Each person should decide for themselves.

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Burning BushToday  10:29 am JST

I do not have an irrational fear of infection.

But you have an irrational fear of the vaccine.

4 ( +12 / -8 )

You can't assume your neighbor is a threat and then attempt to limit their rights and place impositions on them.

We’re in the middle of a pandemic. There are measures that can be taken to show whether someone is a threat or not. Of course, we all know you won’t accept the measures, such as mandatory testing and vaccine passports. Intentionally and very deliberately trying to make it impossible to prove any level of threat actually does make someone a threat to everybody.

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Can vaccinated people skip eating right and exercise?

Yes... to a point. You're not a short term threat for society. The paradox is that self-sabotaging of health is an epidemic, but it is not contagious like a virus. It can be transmitted via media, but there exist an effective vaccination, which is called education.

Well, on longer term, it's a burden on society at different levels. Due to your lessened physical and mental health, you risk to inflict an additional "weight" for your employer, your family, the healthcare system, the social workers.

Should health conscious fellow citizens pay for your lack of efforts ?

Uninfected law-abiding citizens 

Law-abiding citizens abide to the laws saying to get vaccinated. To go to school, get visas, get jobs, most (all ?) citizens I've met have had to prove vaccination to something.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

You can only limit a law abiding citizen's liberty only after you prove that they are a clear a specific threat to others.

Again, increasing the risk for others is the "threat" the same as not washing your hands or smoking not being vaccinated is correlated with higher risks for others, that is enough to limit the freedom of others.

Nobody has to assume anybody is infected, the fact is that not being vaccinated is enough. Again, if a cook does not wash his hands he can be fired for putting other people at risk, even if he is not infected with anything specially dangerous. The false requirement of being corroborated as infectious is not necessary.

There have also been some professional athletes who had to put their career on hold because of the vax.

Each person should decide for themselves.

Athletes are no special case, they are also at an elevated risk from the infection even without using any drugs, just because of being in an important competition. They have no right to put other people at risk just to do their jobs, making a decision for themselves is not a problem, trying to avoid the valid consequences of their decision is what is problematic.

-3 ( +7 / -10 )

It's common knowledge by now,that being up there in age or having a health issue or both is the common at risk cause.99.9% of Covid cult posters up on here, aren't in that category, yet defending the vaccination like their lives really depend on it now in Japan.Lol two times.

2 ( +8 / -6 )

We are not allowed to drink and drive not to protect ourselves but to protect others from our drinking. Vaccinations are to protect others from becoming infected.

0 ( +10 / -10 )

I am healthy, eat right, and skipping the jab. Don't need it. I'm good.

-12 ( +7 / -19 )

bass4funk

I am healthy, eat right, and skipping the jab. Don't need it. I'm good.

You also posted this week you became infected with covid. But I didn't notice you stopped posting so I guess you were not bad enough to be hospitalized. Did you at least isolate yourself from your family.

Both Trump and Boris Johnson also had covid and both still decided to have the two vaccinations and told their supporters to do the same.

3 ( +12 / -9 )

The problem boils down to people confusing rights with privileges. The “Mah rights” posters are often over entitled selfish whiners.

”You harder to try to force people the more they will resist.

Some people, like me, will never bend or cower and will defend our rights to the very end.”

Reads like one of those awful Facebook motivational posters. Oooof.

0 ( +8 / -8 )

Just get vaccinated seriously people enough of this utter garbage .

4 ( +12 / -8 )

I think unvaccinated should be required to pay the full cost of hospitalization out of pocket. Wanton anti-social behavior should have a price.

97% - 99% of people clogging up the medical system and hospitals are unvaccinated.

2 ( +10 / -8 )

Generally, all people who require healthcare should receive the best treatments available. At the costs paid by all. Having said that, I believe there are some health insurance restrictions for certain cases but I can’t remember what they are without checking.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

So we are expected to risk our health and life by taking a vaccine just because other vaccinated people feel threatened. Do you guys actually listen to yourselves?

-5 ( +8 / -13 )

No one said people should have substandard care. What are you talking about?

They should have to pay for it, since their selfish, unscientific nonsense reason for not getting the vaccine has continued to spread the virus and overwhelm hospitals and care workers.

Not getting a vaccine is being an ass. It's not some clever political statement or based on any valid science. There's a correlation between people not getting the vaccine and people having weird delusional views of the world.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

The onus is on you to prove that your neighbor is a threat.

No, no. Don't have to prove anything. Vaccine passports work well to keep unvaccinated threats to the public out of bars, restaurants, sports events, transport, etc.

I'm travelling throughout Europe right now and vaccine passports are in place everywhere. It works great!

0 ( +8 / -8 )

How does that work? Where did you get the passport? Do they just check it when you're entering a restaurant etc? What is on the passport? I'm quite interested.

Can have it on paper or digitally. I got mine in UK. My phone has a QR code which lasts for 1 month once generated. I can generate a new one when that expires (or before).

When entering restaurant, theatre, bar, etc etc., They quickly scan the QR which gives them the green light and quick check against ID, then you're in.

Works all over UK/Europe (and US/Canada I'm told). Quick and easy, and keeps the anti-vaxxers away.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Then so should athletes. And people who go on dangerous hikes. And people who go on their roof to fetch something and accidentally fall off...

Those are accidents. Not getting vaccinated is willful.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

So we are expected to risk our health and life by taking a vaccine

no... by NOT having the vaccine you're risking your own life plus risking others.

You have a massively higher chance of dying from the virus than dying from taking the vaccine, so by not having the vaccine you ARE risking your health and life.

That's fine. Risk your health and life if you want, but risking other people's life based on your crackpot conspiracy theory is just plain selfish, it's unacceptable and should never be allowed.

0 ( +8 / -8 )

How does that work? Where did you get the passport? Do they just check it when you're entering a restaurant etc? What is on the passport? I'm quite interested.

In France, you get a full pass when you get second shot of vaccination (it becomes valid a week later) . Othewise you get a temporary one that lasts 48 hours when you get tested negative at a pharmacy.

The passport is a QR code (on your phone or printed, you can have both), it's valid for EU. For foreign travelers that are vaccinated in other countries, they need to ask a code online.

A staff scans it at entrance, if it's OK, you get in. If not, you stay out. If you are refusing to present a pass and still get in, they call the cops and they come. They can use a phone to scan (there is an app) or a laptop with a USB scan. Normally they get no info about you, that only says yes or no. They cannot check your id.

It's for restaurants and cafés (even to sit down outdoor), theaters, certain commercial centers, events, sports centers, to board intercity transports...(authorities decides depending on covid rates, list changes often).

The police controls randomly and they check your id. If you're caught with a forged pass or someone else's, you face a fine, then jail if you repeat.

The managers of shops that don't control risk shop closure and long jail time from first arrest. So the enforcement is their responsibility. They hate it, but no choice.

They arrested a couple of medical staff that were creating forged passes in the data base. They got express trials, been booked for months, banned from their jobs... Not the same pace of justice as for Carlos Ghosn or Nicolas Sarkozy. Well they can't hang heads at the entrance of the city, but that's the idea.

That seems well accepted. My town is a kind of ghetto with a number of hot blood characters and for a while they asked it at the only local supermarket, which was a problem for the many families without a car. But it seems there were not even people discussing it at shop entrances. Well there were many casualties in the suburbs. It's possible the crowd would have even more sympathy for a crack dealer than for someone making a public rant over Covid rules.

The "anti pass" activists we can see in the demos, I have no idea where they come from. It's not impossible they have a pass and show it when they are "off duty".

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

This entire conversation is pointless!

People will either use common censer and get vaccinated. And the ones who don't, will see their freedoms reduced. Like it or not, it WILL happen globally and already starting to...

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

common sense

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Yes.

Even the unhealthy who doesn't eat right can skip the vaccine

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

So we are expected to risk our health and life by taking a vaccine

no... by NOT having the vaccine you're risking your own life plus risking others.

You are also risking your own life by getting the vaccine. The risks are not negligible, despite what the MSM tells you.

And how are we risking others if they are vaccinated, doesn't the vaccine work.

2 ( +7 / -5 )

While eating right can favorably impact the immune system, it is not reasonable to expect that nutrition alone will defend against a potentially life-threatening virus.

From a life threatening virus that has more than a 99 percent survival rate ?

4 ( +6 / -2 )

So we are expected to risk our health and life by taking a vaccine just because other vaccinated people feel threatened. Do you guys actually listen to yourselves?

Do you listen to yourself?

You or anybody doesn't have to understand the science.

You're talking about risks you just have to understand the numbers.

How many have died due to covid?

How many have died due to the vaccine?

Which is more dangerous?

If you want to understand ask the doctor and experts.

If you rely on your own knowledge and understanding you'll just be a danger to yourself.

Do you really think you know something that all these doctors who are injecting the vaccines to themselves, their patients, their parents , their kids, don't?

It may be fine to you personally if you don't wanna risk your life and health to the vaccine.

Problem is if you dont take the vaccine you'll be exposing yourself to a far greater risk to life and health due to covid.

There are a lot less and less of the unvaccinated each passing day, and it's not just because they are getting vaccinated.

Choose wisely which statistic you'd rather be

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

If this this is true seems a clear case of personal bias affecting someone's professionalism.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

...in the next life if not in this one

No more questions.

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Do you really think you know something that all these doctors who are injecting the vaccines to themselves, their patients, their parents , their kids, don't?

Yes ! I don't think, I know. The evidence of the vaccine adverse effects have been reported everywhere and from official government sites. 

So these governments themselves which make these reports don't understand them but you do.

Or worse they are willfully ignoring it as do most of the people.

It's a bit of a stretch don't you think?

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

The poorest of people can not afford healthy.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

So we are expected to risk our health and life by taking a vaccine just because other vaccinated people feel threatened. Do you guys actually listen to yourselves?

Do you listen to yourself?

You or anybody doesn't have to understand the science.

You're talking about risks you just have to understand the numbers.

How many have died due to covid?

How many have died due to the vaccine?

Which is more dangerous?

That is extremely over simplistic, it's something we would expect from someone who understands numbers, but not the science.

How many healthy young people have died due to covid?

How many healthy young people with normal levels of vitamin D and zinc have died due to covid?

How many healthy young people, that have received early treatment (IVM, HCQ...), have died due to covid?

How many healthy young people have died due to the vaccine?

Which is more dangerous... to healthy people that have access to early treatment?

I understand the science, and I act accordingly.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

I find it interesting that nearly all parents understand the importance of having their kids vaccinated against serious illnesses like mumps, measles and varicella. They do not expect that certain foods, or a nurturing environment, will do the job of a vaccine.

False equivalence. 1) these diseases are worse that Covid, which for all practical purposes does not affect children, and 2) these are traditional vaccines, not experimental mRNA/virual vector shots, with a VAERS rate that is off the charts.

Once again, an apple vs orange argument.

It seems to me most people who do not want to "operation warp speed" shots are simply making a risk/benefit decision, which should be their personal choice.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

You are also risking your own life by getting the vaccine. The risks are not negligible, despite what the MSM tells you.

And how are we risking others if they are vaccinated, doesn't the vaccine work.

The risks from the vaccine are minuscule compared with the risks of not vaccinating. And no, working and being 100% effecitve are not equivalent (you need to understand better this part of the science) people are interested in protecting those people that are vulnerable even vaccinated, and those people that can't be vaccinated. People can also be very interested in preventing the appearance of variants which are favored by not vaccinating.

From a life threatening virus that has more than a 99 percent survival rate ?

Try so search for survival rates of other diseases prevented by vaccination, you will be surprised. Vaccines against those other diseases are mandatory for many things all around the world, why would this time be different?

I understand the science, and I act accordingly.

Reaching exactly the opposite conclusions than the best experts on science and medicine prove otherwise, and being constantly mistaken on most of your comments reinforce this conclussion.

Someone that understand the science would not misrepresent articles repeatedly even after being corrected, would not predict things that never come to happen nor would systematically choose pseudoscientific theories against the official position of every scientific institution of the world.

Saying that you understand the science is easy, proving it apparently not so much.

 1) these diseases are worse that Covid, which for all practical purposes does not affect children

Worse exactly how? as in numbers, also try to search how many children die every year from cervical or hepatic cancer, those are also diseases for which vaccines are used in children.

these are traditional vaccines

Personal judgement are invalid arguments, scientifically all the vaccines approved are safe, no matter if they were developed 100 years ago or yesterday. If you want to say they are not safe you need to prove it, and more specifically you have to prove they are not safer than the infection they are preventing.

If you cannot prove this that means you are mistaken and have no argument.

It seems to me most people who do not want to "operation warp speed" shots are simply making a risk/benefit decision, which should be their personal choice

This is no problem, even if they make a mistaken decision that can be proved so scientifically, the problem is that they want to make the irrational decision and be treated as if they choose the opposite, which is not valid.

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They sure can! but then they can also just as easily get the virus and die. Anyone can skip the vaccine, you just can't avoid the virus because you "eat right". Hell, there are probably people who have smoked and drank and eaten beef jerky their whole lives who survived Covid who could just as easily claim it's their band habits that saved them.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

The article by a research scientist says to get vaccinated.

People who are not research scientists, not in medicine or even remotely involved with science, say no.

Go ahead and become another unvaccinated person dying from Covid, only realizing a day or two before their death that they were wrong.

Unvaccinated people are the ones spreading the virus and well over 97% of people hospitalized and dying from Covid are unvaccinated.

Maybe that's a good thing. People have to live, or die, with the consequences of their actions.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

I understand the science, and I act accordingly.

Good luck

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

It seems to me most people who do not want to "operation warp speed" shots are simply making a risk/benefit decision, which should be their personal choice.

Yes, and my advice is to get professional advice before making a decision.

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That is extremely over simplistic, it's something we would expect from someone who understands numbers, but not the science.

Science is based on numbers, data.

But you know that since you understand science.

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virusrex

This is no problem, even if they make a mistaken decision that can be proved so scientifically, the problem is that they want to make the irrational decision and be treated as if they choose the opposite, which is not valid.

Glad you agree that a medical decision should be personal. However I am not sure what kind of discriminatation against those who make what you think is a "wrong" decision you advocate.

Personal judgement are invalid arguments, scientifically all the vaccines approved are safe, no matter if they were developed 100 years ago or yesterday.

The VAERS figures for the experimental mRNA/viral vector "vaccines" speak for themselves. More deaths from these than for all traditional vaccines combined and then some.

And no, these are not "vaccines" in the traditional sense, not according to the definition of a "vaccine", which the CDC conveniently changed recently.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

The VAERS figures for the experimental mRNA/viral vector "vaccines" speak for themselves. More deaths from these than for all traditional vaccines combined and then some.

You're convinced that those deaths were caused by the mRNA vaccines.

Even so there are far more deaths due to covid, so isn't vaccination the prudent choice as opposed to not being vaccinated?

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Glad you agree that a medical decision should be personal. However I am not sure what kind of discriminatation against those who make what you think is a "wrong" decision you advocate.

As wrong as people that refuse antibiotics or blood because of religious reasons, it is a decision not based on rationality or logic and it can be proved scientifically to be worse for their own health and those people they are in contact with.

The VAERS figures for the experimental mRNA/viral vector "vaccines" speak for themselves. More deaths from these than for all traditional vaccines combined and then some.

Not "from these" vaccines but normal deaths of the population being vaccinated, which is something completely expected since no other vaccine has been used in such a scale for a population that is mainly old and have multiple preexisting conditions.

Your "argument" is like saying adult diapers are a huge danger just because their users have a mortality rate a thousand times higher than baby diapers, there is a terribly obvious reason for this.

And no, these are not "vaccines" in the traditional sense, not according to the definition of a "vaccine", which the CDC conveniently changed recently.

Yes they are, accroding to everybody that works with vaccines for a living, they are at least as much a vaccine as attenuated viruses, which also work mainly by the production of viral proteins parting from the viral nucleic acids being introduced into the cells, except of course that the mRNA vaccines are much safer because there is no replication of the RNA nor other proteins (for which antibodies are useless) some of which are actually produced to mess up with your immune system.

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virusrex

Not "from these" vaccines but normal deaths of the population being vaccinated, which is something completely expected since no other vaccine has been used in such a scale for a population that is mainly old and have multiple preexisting conditions.

Previously, your argument was that other vaccines have been used and even mandated on large parts or whole populations.... so now suddenly the large use of the "operation warp speed" shots explains the large number of adverse reactions? Please make up your mind.

Yes they are, accroding to everybody that works with vaccines for a living, they are at least as much a vaccine as attenuated viruses,

Only if you use the new, diluted definition of "vaccine" that the CDC has now introduced.

Traditional definition: "Injection of a killed or weakened infectious organism in order to prevent the disease."

New definition: "The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease."

According to the traditional definition, the mRNA/vector shots are NOT vaccines. Clearly, the new wishy-washy definition has a political background.

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