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Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

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By LINDSEY TANNER, MIKE STOBBE and PHILIP MARCELO

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This confirms the theory that the vaccinated are actually the silent superspreaders.

They are as likely as the unvaccinated to spread the virus but since their symptoms are less noticeable, they don't self isolate and keep going out and about spreading the virus.

Catching an infectious virus and not developing symptoms makes you dangerous to the rest of society

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And data from Israel shows that people who have natural immunity are incredibly unlikely to get reinfected

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

I found another thorough analysis of one data set that seemed to show claims that one of the vaccines are effective are not quite what they seem, but it's just one data set so let's see where this trend goes: https://drrollergator.substack.com/p/damned-lies-and-vaccine-statistics

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Leaked internal documents on breakthrough infections and the delta variant...

Why is critical information on the public health of the entire planet only available when "leaked"?

What else are they withholding??

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“The most important takeaway is actually pretty simple. We need more people to get vaccinated,” 

Simple enough?

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This confirms the theory that the vaccinated are actually the silent superspreaders.

According to the research in the article, they are not very "silent":

"Three-quarters of the infections were in fully vaccinated individuals. Among those fully vaccinated, about 80% experienced symptoms with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, muscle aches and fever."

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“The most important takeaway is actually pretty simple. We need more people to get vaccinated,” 

Simple enough?

Sorry, I still can't figure it out.

If the vaccine only reduces symptoms, it means I'm less likely to notice once I catch Covid and I then I take less precautions and I spread Covid to my loved ones even more.

I prefer to have the symptoms so I know that I am sick so I can protect those around me.

Sorry, no symptom hiding medicine for me.

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You do NOT start vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic! FOLLOW THE SCIENCE! Probably thee TOP virologist in the world Luc Montagnier already predicted the vaccinated would create all the variants many months ago!

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This confirms the theory that the vaccinated are actually the silent superspreaders

No such thing, which is exactly why the experts are not concluding this, only people without knowledge nor experience that exaggerate findings and make invalid conclusions.

A much more truthful conclusion is that symptomatic people can have same levels of virus in samples, but nothing can be said about vaccinated asymptomatic people, nor the percentage of exposed people that end up like that, nor the amount of time the transmission risk is present for example.

And data from Israel shows that people who have natural immunity are incredibly unlikely to get reinfected

No it does not, as you were corrected before, the data shows that if you vaccinate most of the population then unvaccinated people will be a tiny minority of everything you measure, vaccinating 100% of the population by definition would make unvaccinated people 0% of the infections.

If the vaccine only reduces symptoms, it means I'm less likely to notice once I catch Covid and I then I take less precautions and I spread Covid to my loved ones even more.

You may be, but people with at least a little of common sense would not, because as the article clearly says this is a measurement done on symptomatic people, that obviously notice their infection and can take precautions (or gasp! keep doing them even after vaccination because they actually care for other people and do not think of themselves as the center of the universe).

How were the levels on people without symptoms? I mean the study of the article clearly shows what happen in symptomatic people but you are talking about a completely different set of patients, so obviously you have other sources, else you would be just imagining things.

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This confirms the theory that the vaccinated are actually the silent superspreaders

Nah, you'd need a pretty thorough study into social attitudes to do that. When you consider the attitude of the vaccinated is one of trying to do their bit for society to get through this pandemic, and that of anti vaxxers is "WHAT? YOU STILL HAVE TO WEAR A MASK? NO THANK YOU!!!" then it is still more likely that the unvaccinated are the spreaders. What it does confirm however is if two people put their nose into pepper pots of equal size and content, they'll most likely snort an equal amount of pepper.

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Sorry, I still can't figure it out.

Yes, that is your problem.

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This confirms the theory that the vaccinated are actually the silent superspreaders

Correct.

They are forcing these experimental vaccines on everyone "to stop the spread", but they have been shown to be quite useless. But no matter what evidence shows up, these experts will never admit these self-evident facts.

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Why is critical information on the public health of the entire planet only available when "leaked"?

What else are they withholding??

Like the vaccine biodistribution studies sent by Pfizer to Japanese regulators that were only made public after Canadian doctors obtained them with a FOIA request.

Seems they decision makers don't really care about our health.

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Disney has mandated all employees must be fully vaccinated by the end of September.

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Disney has mandated all employees must be fully vaccinated by the end of September.

And if the Disney employee simply says no, they'll be offered a medical, religious of personal beliefs exemption to sign so they can continue working.

We don't need fear mongering, people who have families to support aren't gonna get fired.

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I look forward to seeing more studies that backup this claim. As science provides proof that prior beliefs are wrong, scientists can accept that proof, update recommendations and move forward.

If everyone was vaccinated, then spreading COVID wouldn't matter, would it?

Anyone else find it odd that "my body, my choice" works for not vaccinating, but not when a young woman wishes to end a pregnancy? Somehow the rules change.

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Bob FosseToday  07:39 am JST

“The most important takeaway is actually pretty simple. We need more people to get vaccinated,” 

Simple enough?

Nobody has the right to endanger others by being a 'Typhoid Mary' and withholding vaxes from children is child abuse. Esp. since children seem to be the most vulnerable (at least in America). And all those crackpots and liars in the media are only making matters worse. The USA has a true POTUS addressing the problem now and it's up to the states, cities, institutions to do their part - and they ain't doing a good job of it.

I'm getting e-mails from Ticketmaster and other sources giving me info and dibs on rodeos, theater, concerts and sports events but they're not distancing or enforcing vax protocol so therefore I ain't going to anything just yet.

I refer to the Tokyo Olympics as a shining example.

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https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-covid-19-surges-among-unvaccinated-in-florida-contrary-to-baseless-claims/

When making claims, please provide reputable source links. There are far too many people misinterpreting data and making unsubstantiated statements.

Here's the link to the actual CDC document: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

Cycle threshold values were similar among specimens from patients who were fully vaccinated and those who were not.

Vaccination is about not getting sick.

Masks are about not getting other people sick.

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

This reconfirms what I said before, you can't expect to be completely immune and got to protect yourself in high virus concentration areas.

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I think no one knows how to say it ... but pretty much everyone will have to go through this tunnel of love.

Leaders and bureaucrats know this and are helpless. They have to stretch the truth to get every one to vaccinate and then they also have to save face by singing variant songs when it does not seem to work.

Keep on Truckin...

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withholding vaxes from children is child abuse. Esp. since children seem to be the most vulnerable

!!!!

Children are the LEAST vulnerable to Covid19.

And regarding vaccinating children, the risks outweigh the benefits.

If anything, vaccinating kids is child abuse.

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Recent court decisions have upheld employers’ rights to require vaccinations, including a ruling that said Houston Methodist Hospital could require health care workers to get shots.

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Sorry, I still can't figure it out.

Wow. Still? In 3rd quarter of 2021? Wow.

OK, one more time.

Vaccine = less likely to require hospitalization, less likely to die.

Vaccine does not = stopping precautions.

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Google, Uber, Netflix require employee vaccinations. Federal employees too.

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Look at Live Shibuya cam today, the place is packed with people'

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The title, which seems to be all some people read, does not contain all the information in the article.

The article is about “vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections (in Massachussetts ((who were partying heavily)),” not about all “vaccinated people.”

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Google, Uber, Netflix require employee vaccinations. Federal employees too.

And Big Pharma gets to decide what the definition of "fully vaccinated" means.

It means getting your weekly booster shot.

Banner year for corporate bonuses at Pfizer.

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Vaccine = less likely to require hospitalization, less likely to die.

Oh so it's not actually a vaccine that stops transmission, it's more like Tylenol, it just hides the symptoms.

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Oh so it's not actually a vaccine that stops transmission, it's more like Tylenol, it just hides the symptoms.

It’s a vaccine which greatly increases your chances of surviving Covid.

What is it about this that you find so difficult?

It means getting your weekly booster shot.

?

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Seems they decision makers don't really care about our health

Because they did not publicize experiments that had no relevance on how the vaccine is used by humans? the decision makers care much more about our health than those that choose to misrepresent that information as if it happened to vaccinated people when it is nothing of the sort.

And regarding vaccinating children, the risks outweigh the benefits.

There is no evidence that indicate this, so why do you feel the need to use something false to defend your opinion?

And Big Pharma gets to decide what the definition of "fully vaccinated" means.

It means getting your weekly booster shot.

No, it is not big pharma but the experts on public health, infection, virology, etc. that examine the immune response and understand when vaccinations are or not protective. And also no, full vaccination do not mean whatever strange thing you choose to imagine.

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Yet another reason not to get vaccinated. It literally makes no difference in your life, vaccinated or not you still:

Have to wear masks

Maintain Social Distance

Can get sick

Make others sick

Undergo the intrusive PCR test when traveling

Quarantine for 2 weeks when returning to Japan

So really what's the point of it? Honestly, I don't care about the possible side effects of the vaccine as I don't fear death, I refuse to take it because I cannot get my life back, I see no point in getting it as it makes no difference.

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