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Contagious and concerning: What we know about COVID-19 variants

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That’s a negative side effect of (too slow) vaccinations, because they are then under vaccine pressure but have plenty of time to escape. Example? The new double mutant (correct would be six-fold) , probably combining British and South African variants of concern, mainly involved E484Q, L452R, N440K.

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That’s a negative side effect of (too slow) vaccinations, because they are then under vaccine pressure but have plenty of time to escape. Example? The new double mutant (correct would be six-fold) , probably combining British and South African variants of concern, mainly involved E484Q, L452R, N440K.

That would not be a negative side effect of vaccinations, it would be a side effect of immunity in general, but it fortunately not actually real, anybody with a working immunity can deal with the infection without giving the virus time to let escape mutant variants become predominant and shed them to infect other people. That is what happened for many months of the pandemic.

The real thing that promotes the appearance of the variants (they don't have only 6 mutations by the way) is wide spread infection that ends up involving large number of people with immunity problems, these people are the ones that keep the virus replicating in high numbers while producing insufficient amounts of antibodies, thus giving the virus swarm plenty of time of being selected by these antibodies until the more dangerous variants can become a majority and spread onto other people.

Vaccines are the easiest, safest way to prevent this from happening. The sooner the majority of the people is immune, the sooner spreading stops and the less likely new variants adapted to survive the antibodies can appear.

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The real thing that promotes the appearance of the variants (they don't have only 6 mutations by the way) is wide spread infection that ends up involving large number of people with immunity problems, these people are the ones that keep the virus replicating in high numbers while producing insufficient amounts of antibodies, thus giving the virus swarm plenty of time of being selected by these antibodies until the more dangerous variants can become a majority and spread onto other people.

Yeah, especially if these immunodeficient patients are given several multi-day treatments with a mutagen like Gilead's Remdesivir followed by convalescent plasma treatments that will specifically select for new variants capable of reinfecting those who have already recovered from Covid.

Vaccines are the easiest, safest way to prevent this from happening. The sooner the majority of the people is immune, the sooner spreading stops and the less likely new variants adapted to survive the antibodies can appear.

It is not the virus that kills, but rather our response to it. Healthy people with a healthy immune system can handle this virus with little or no problems. People should focus on improving their overall health and more specifically their immune system. Relying on vaccines will adversely affect our immune system. Once you go down that road, you open yourself to a number of problems and will likely end up needing to rely on vaccines for everything, rather than the natural abilities of a normal healthy immune system.

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Yeah, especially if these immunodeficient patients are given several multi-day treatments with a mutagen like Gilead's Remdesivir followed by convalescent plasma treatments that will specifically select for new variants capable of reinfecting those who have already recovered from Covid.

That is false, there is no evidence whatsoever than any kind of treatment is related to the appearance of variants, the only factor that has been related is the immunity problems of the patients, the rest is irrelevant, the virus mutates by itself, and the patients serum has enough antibodies to select for variants, the thing that has been identified as absolutely necessary is an extremely long time of active replication because of bad immunity.

It is not the virus that kills, but rather our response to it.

Yes, the natural response, which is what vaccines help to prevent. Healthy people with healthy immune systems do die of the disease, and will have a much lesser risk after being vaccination. This health measure is the one that most effectively can prevent complication.

Relying on vaccines will adversely affect our immune system.

That is an irrational belief that has been proved false by science, trying to ignore the scientific consensus do not make it wrong, it only makes it obvious you are not interested in what has been proved true.

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If it is called the english variant or south africa variant, then why isn't it called the china virus????

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Samuraivunyl - China has a better propaganda machine and for some reason the media lap up their talking points.

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Save human lives.

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Can't call it China vikrus but we can call it South African, Brazil, and UK .

whats with that ?

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Can't call it China vikrus but we can call it South African, Brazil, and UK .

whats with that ?

I personally avoid the term China virus/flu or whatever. Sure, they often call viruses by the names of the place they arose. Unfortunately however, Trump tried to avoid attention on his inept response to the pandemic, by blaming China, while repeatedly using the term. This has led to Anti-asian racism in many places around the world, even against those Asians who are not Chinese (other races often can't tell the difference).

British people, Brazilians, and South Africans, aren't seeing the same racist actions against them when flu variants from their countries are mentioned.

As such, I personally choose my actions so not as to increase racist bigotry in the world.

Some people are apparently ok with the results of their actions increasing racist bigotry in the world though, as long as they can try to pretend they have no responsibility because [right wing outrage].

I consider such people to be lesser human beings.

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If it is called the english variant or south africa variant, then why isn't it called the china virus????

Mostly because there are not multiple COVID-19 causing viruses.

Both the virus and the variants have proper names, clear and descriptive, but people tend to resist to use those names when there are many. For the virus and the disease only one name was necessary so it is easier to make people use them properly (but still lots of people make mistakes, like calling the virus by the name of the disease). There are multiple variants now, so making the public use B117, B1351 or P1 becomes much more difficult, even when it is much more correct.

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It is not the virus that kills, but rather our response to it. Healthy people with a healthy immune system can handle this virus with little or no problems. People should focus on improving their overall health and more specifically their immune system. Relying on vaccines will adversely affect our immune system. Once you go down that road, you open yourself to a number of problems and will likely end up needing to rely on vaccines for everything, rather than the natural abilities of a normal healthy immune system

Absolutely true. The most adaptive response to mutations would be a healthy immune system.

Pharma would have you believe that their jab will work for any and all variants regardless. How many variants now? Good luck with that flu shot then. You get the flu shot and still get the flu. Pharma: Well...um...our educated experts didn't quite get it right this year but we will next season. Sound familiar?

They won't be able to keep up with all the variants...and what is the goal?

All just a shot in the dark with their "educated guesses". Skip the healthy eating habits / nutrition, exercise, mental health, fresh air, clean water, sunshine, etc. they just want you to use Pharma's product. Got a problem? We have a jab for that.

Their experimental, not FDA approved, only for Emergency Use Authorization Vaccine (which may void your entire life insurance policy - you need to check with your provider because it's experimental) does not stop transmission or infection - just cough and headache. And people glued to Pharma controlled news will line up for it like it's the next best thing. Marketing at its finest.

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Absolutely true. The most adaptive response to mutations would be a healthy immune system.

Personal beliefs are not an argument, it just mean you want to believe it even without evidence.

3 million people have died relying on nothing but their immune systems, and the new variants appeared again because people getting infected all around made the pandemic spread to patients that would have been protected if vaccination was available before.

There is zero evidence the natural infection protects people better against the new variants than the vaccines, and there is actual evidence the vaccinated people have still enough antibodies to defeat infection without complications no matter what variant is spreading. That is enough to prove you wrong.

The false comparison with the flu is also inadequate, COVID has only one single serotype, so there is no problem with the vaccines nor need to predict which serotype is going to be prevalent this year.

Your strawman about the recommendations is also completely false, no doctor ever recommends replacing healthy habits with the vaccine, that is just a false argument antivaxxers pull out of thin air because the real recommendations includes everything you said plus a safe and effective vaccine that lowers the risk.

The Pfizer vaccine is 100% PMDA approved, not an emergency use, and scientific data have already proved you wrong, the vaccine prevents infection to a degree that the body can defeat the infection without actual disease, and have shown a very good ability to reduce very importantly transmission. The problem with endlessly copy-pasting your comments is that they get outdated very quickly.

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3 million people have died relying on nothing but their immune systems,

Yeah, 3 million died with the virus.

Very few healthy people died from it.

You like bringing up terms like irrational belief, science, scientific consensus, or official opinion of scientific or medical professional associations.

I have a lot of faith in real science but very little in scientific or medical professional associations. And whenever I see "science" together with "consensus", that is a big red flag.

Speaking of scientific or medical professional associations, did you see the recent interview of the former director of the CDC? He said that now that he is no longer with the CDC, he can have opinions, and in his opinion the idea of SARSCoV2 originating from a lab is so much more likely than it originating naturally. But he was not allowed to say that while he was with the CDC...

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Yeah, 3 million died with the virus.

Very few healthy people died from it.

Again, if you have any data to contradict the health experts that say that COVID is a very important contribution to their deaths you can share it here, an unqualified opinion does not have the same weight than the consensus of the health services of the world.

Healthy people die from it, that cannot be denied, and according to the "healthy immunity protects you" that is supposed to be impossible, it is not. A vaccine do help reduce that risk, not only for people with comorbidities but also for the healthy people, so it can make a small risk become even smaller.

I have a lot of faith in real science but very little in scientific or medical professional associations. And whenever I see "science" together with "consensus", that is a big red flag.

Yeah, having no data to contradict every professional association surele proves they are all wrong and you are right. The real red flag is the inability to accept that you may be wrong and keep thinking that personal opinions not sustained by any data somehow have the same weight that those supported by tons of data.

That is why the opinion of organizations is much more representative of the scientific consensus than any single person, because one individual can have a personal bias that makes him defend things without having the necessary evidence to defend it, organizations help preventing empty conspiracy theories already debunked gaining a support that they don't deserve. People separated from organizations have a much greater freedom to say demosntrably wrong things, it is only their reputation that will suffer then.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/science/redfield-coronavirus-wuhan-lab.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-lab-theory-robert-redfield-no-evidence/

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Yeah, 3 million died with the virus.

Very few healthy people died from it.

Again, if you have any data to contradict the health experts that say that COVID is a very important contribution to their deaths you can share it here

Wait, what?!! You've heard of comorbidities, right?

There is also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg

Anyway, truly healthy people do not die from Covid19.

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Wait, what?!! You've heard of comorbidities, right?

There is also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg

Anyway, truly healthy people do not die from Covid19.

No, I asked specifically for evidence that can contradict the health experts when they consider COVID an important contributor to the death. At least evidence that say how many cases out of those almost 3 millions had the infection but there is no possibility that it contributed to their death.

Again, your completely unqualified opinion about healthy people not dying from COVID is pulled out from thin air, there are plenty of examples of people without any known health problem that got infected and died from it. Just repeating your beliefs do not makes them more true nor it makes the health professionals of the world contradicting those beliefs suddenly wrong. They have the data to prove you wrong.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/data-reveal-deadliness-covid-19-even-young-adults

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-19-underlying/false-claim-all-patients-who-die-of-covid-19-have-serious-health-problems-idUSKBN22V2YQ

https://khn.org/news/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-killed-by-covid-19/

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Anyway, truly healthy people do not die from Covid19.

'Truly healthy' people do not die from anything so your statement is irrelevant. Unfortunately the majority of humans are not 'truly healthy'. You seem to be willing to sacrifice people with even minor ailments.

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Anyway, truly healthy people do not die from Covid19.

'Truly healthy' people do not die from anything so your statement is irrelevant. Unfortunately the majority of humans are not 'truly healthy'. You seem to be willing to sacrifice people with even minor ailments.

No, I am saying that everyone should do their best to improve their health, and increase their vitamin D (and zinc, sleep, low carb ...). And if someone is healthy, they don't need a vaccine.

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'Truly healthy' people do not die from anything so your statement is irrelevant. Unfortunately the majority of humans are not 'truly healthy'. You seem to be willing to sacrifice people with even minor ailments.

Oh, the fear mongering again. The majority of kids and young healthy people shouldn’t have to fear this virus, I don’t, no one I know, stay safe, vigilant and if you feel you need to get vaccinated do so, other than that, live your life.

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No, I am saying that everyone should do their best to improve their health, and increase their vitamin D (and zinc, sleep, low carb ...). And if someone is healthy, they don't need a vaccine.

No, you said 'truly healthy people do not die from Covid19'.

This is false. 'Truly healthy' people do not die from anything until they become 'unhealthy' from the thing that kills them. One of those things may be the virus.

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No, I asked specifically for evidence that can contradict the health experts when they consider COVID an important contributor to the death. At least evidence that say how many cases out of those almost 3 millions had the infection but there is no possibility that it contributed to their death.

US health officials have confirmed that anyone who has a PCR positive result at time of death is considered a covid death. We also know that hospitals receive lots of extra money for any patient that tests positive. The US covid deaths have on average about 3 comorbidities.

Why don't we consider the comorbidities as an "important contributor to the death"? Why don't we call them diabetes deaths, or obesity deaths?

Hey, why don't we insist on a vitamin D/zinc/low carb passport for traveling or attending sports events?

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US health officials have confirmed that anyone who has a PCR positive result at time of death is considered a covid death. We also know that hospitals receive lots of extra money for any patient that tests positive. The US covid deaths have on average about 3 comorbidities.

Again, none of that is evidence than any significant number of the COVID deaths is unrelated to the infection, should this be considered you accepting you don't have this evidence? it is a very roundabout way to do it but I guess not everybody can accept easily to have rushed into baseless conclussions.

It would be the same as when antivaxxers "predicted" the vaccines would have only low efficacy because that was the condition for approval, we all know how that prediction without evidence ended up.

Why don't we consider the comorbidities as an "important contributor to the death"? Why don't we call them diabetes deaths, or obesity deaths?

The medical professionals do consider comorbidities an important contributor, you should at least try to understand something you want to criticize. A diabetic with COVID is considered to have died because both causes, the important part is of course that diabetics with COVID die much sooner than diabetics without it, which is why this is considered an important contributor of the death.

Hey, why don't we insist on a vitamin D/zinc/low carb passport for traveling or attending sports events?

Because the purpose of the passport is to prevent transmission? What would be the use of having apparently healthy carriers spreading the infection? Doctors attending patients will insist on them not having dietary defficiencies or controlling as much as possible any other condition, but that would have no impact on the patients spreading the disease, for that other recommendations that work both ways (such as social distancing measures and vaccines) would be much more useful.

The problem is you being confused between trying to prevent a person from being infected or complicated and preventing an person from spreading the disease, it should not be that difficult to get that huge difference.

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No, I am saying that everyone should do their best to improve their health, and increase their vitamin D (and zinc, sleep, low carb ...). And if someone is healthy, they don't need a vaccine.

I haven't found any scientific consensus that a good immune system is enough to overcome covid. And I've looked a good bit. All I can find is people around the internet saying that. Nothing that I personally would place any credibility in though.

There are a whack of scientists and data on these vaccines though. I'll take my chances with them.

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Oh, the fear mongering again.

Nah, just pointing out how much privilege (heh, right-wing trigger word) it requires to be able to say "if you don't want to catch it, just eat healthy and stay away from people".

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I haven't found any scientific consensus that a good immune system is enough to overcome covid. And I've looked a good bit. All I can find is people around the internet saying that. Nothing that I personally would place any credibility in though.

There are a whack of scientists and data on these vaccines though. I'll take my chances with them.

Good, I won’t.

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No, I am saying that everyone should do their best to improve their health, and increase their vitamin D (and zinc, sleep, low carb ...). And if someone is healthy, they don't need a vaccine.

And again, this is where you are mistaken and where health care professionals contradict you with the evidence that proves than anybody benefits from vaccination, because having a low risk do not mean it cannot be further reduced with immunization.

Oh, the fear mongering again. The majority of kids and young healthy people shouldn’t have to fear this virus, I don’t, no one I know, stay safe, vigilant and if you feel you need to get vaccinated do so, other than that, live your life.

No, fear mongering is insisting on imaginary dangers from a vaccine that is safe and effective. Everybody should be careful about this disease, this is the consensus of medical science and your personal opinion do not carry the same weight. Immunizing is one of the best ways to stay vigilant and safe, and anybody inside of the target vaccination population benefits from immunization. "Live your life" do not have to mean to do it irresponsibly or irrationally.

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The majority of kids and young healthy people shouldn’t have to fear this virus, I don’t, no one I know, stay safe, vigilant and if you feel you need to get vaccinated do so, other than that, live your life.

Pharma will have you believe vaccines are the only solution to this entire pandemic: injections! I mean...what else have they been pushing other than injections and attacking any other solutions??

Inject: We'll give you a vaccine passport for freedom to travel

Inject: We'll let you being around friends and family again

Inject: We'll let you go to work again and feed your family

Don't inject?: We'll ridicule you and attack you for even hesitating to inject our product

Again and again they will downplay, dismiss and negate all other options and promote the latest vaccine developments using pharma controlled "experts". If any doctor chooses to speak out against pharma they would risk losing their license or attacked by pharma controlled media while being censored on social media in order to maintain the narrative. From now on "true health" according to Pharma = Following their vaccine schedule requirements to the "T".

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Pharma will have you believe vaccines are the only solution to this entire pandemic: injections! I mean...what else have they been pushing other than injections and attacking any other solutions??

No, that is a fake argument that nobody uses but it is easy to attack, the real thing that experts and doctors defend is that vaccines are a safe and effective measure to prevent the risk that comes from infection.

I know you like to repeat these false accusations, but people that are interested in honest discussions normally avoid using things they have been corrected before.

The rest of the comment is the same, false situations that do not correspond to reality, real professionals in health speak from the evidence, which unequivocally points out to the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, it is not a coincidence that only people of terribly bad reputation speak now against them, they are not attacked for speaking about the vaccines, they are attacked (by their peers, not the media) because they express invalid opinions not substantiated by the scientific evidence. And that is completely justified.

One very big hint of the antivaxxer propaganda being wrong is that it is very easy to demonstrate as false, and the proponents will immediately run away from defending it, only to again repeat information they themselves know is false in any space that lets them do it.

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US health officials have confirmed that anyone who has a PCR positive result at time of death is considered a covid death. We also know that hospitals receive lots of extra money for any patient that tests positive. The US covid deaths have on average about 3 comorbidities.

Correct. For 3 months after diagnosis...anything that happens to you will be classified as COVID19 death.

And Yes...hospitals are receiving the most incentives to diagnose as COVID:

$9,000 to $13,000 to diagnose as COVID (How do you think they achieved these number of cases to instill more fear?)

$30,000 to ventilate each patient (90% risk of death when they should have just done high flow oxygen nasal support - well lesson learned and now they do) - Ended up causing untold numbers of deaths and then the cause of death? Massive COVID19 deaths in NYC? They were ventilating everyone and labeled those deaths as COVID19. Shame on Gov. Cuomo. Remember when they started mass manufacturing ventilators at auto plants? It's insane to think what would have happened if they received all those ventilators and continued ventilating everyone.

One huge hint of pharma is they will mark everything outside of the vaccinate narrative as false and attack everything else. As soon as these new experimental mRNA vaxxes were available you see all forms of media push vaccinations daily with censorship of anything differing from the pharma narrative.

Pharma and representatives of pharma will continue to attack and label anyone who questions or contradicts their narrative as "antivaxxer" with the most negative connotation.

Bill Gates is already using the "variants" to push the 3rd shot of already 2 shots for your "well-being". Bless his heart...he absolutely cares for you and your family just like pharma (planning to covid19 vax you annually until the pandemic becomes endemic). Go pharma! Hooray

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pfizer-covid-vaccine-price-hike-post-pandemic/

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Correct. For 3 months after diagnosis...anything that happens to you will be classified as COVID19 death.

And Yes...hospitals are receiving the most incentives to diagnose as COVID:

And this is absolutely no proof that COVID had no role in the deaths, specially because the best outcome for a hospital would be to not classify the death as covid, only the patients that are going to survive, receive the money without assuming the consequences of deaths.

This is the problem with people that are only interested in economic profit and cannot even imagine people working for the good of public health, automatically they assume others are the same as them and will do every kind of unethical and negative things as long as they receive some money for it.

Pharma and representatives of pharma will continue to attack and label anyone who questions or contradicts their narrative as "antivaxxer" with the most negative connotation.

This is incorrect, science and health professionals will validly qualify as antivaxxers people that use openly false arguments and try to deceive others by misrepresenting information, and easy way to distinguish this kind of people is that they are unable to defend anything they copy-paste and they only reference sites known for presenting false data.

Another easy way to distinguish between someone (unnecessarily) anxious about vaccines and a true antivaxxer is that the antivaxxer will use false arguments for the vaccines because the real ones (that vaccines are less risky than the infection) are not something they can possibly refute.

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Good, I won’t.

I agree with your decision. I most definitely think you should just hope your immune system can handle it. You'll be ok, you're not THAT old.

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These vaccines have not been safety tested on animals.

These vaccines have not been safety tested on humans.

The CDC is still recommending masks for people who have been vaccinated, adding that it won't prevent you from getting the virus or potentially spreading it to someone else.

The mortality rate of this virus is about the same as a bad strain of the flu.

The vaccine makers have no legal liability in the event a vaccinated person has an adverse reaction, including death.

The U.S. CDC admits that only 6% of people reported to have died from COVID-19 had no other underlying medical issues, so 94% of people didn't die "from COVID-19" rather they died "with COVID-19." This makes the mortality rate MUCH lower than reported.

There are medicines that work, regardless of how much negative publicity is written about them by the medical establishment/drug companies/pharmaceutical boards. Among them, Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin and Budenoside. Doctors have been using them with extremely high rates of recovery.

Now, would someone please tell me why on earth would someone allow this experimental drug to be injected into their body?

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These vaccines have not been safety tested on animals.

That is false information, preclinical trials finished long before phase III trials even begun. Even if you copy past it twice it is still mistaken.

The vaccine is not experimental anymore, people are receiving the vaccine for its therapeutic value, not because data will be taken from them.

Being vaccinated do not make the people immediately free from infection, there is a time requirement for immunity to be developed and even if the evidence for the reduction of transmission is becoming clear there is still need of more data to conclusively prove it, there is nothing wrong with being cautious until that point.

The mortality of COVID-19 is nowhere near the one of influenza, hopefully with the vaccine it will become so, but that is precisely why vaccination should be done as soon as possible.

Vaccine makers DO have liability, why do you think vaccines have been temporarily suspended to investigate possible negative side effects? that proves that liability is completely present.

6% of the deaths is a huge number of people, and no, 94% of the people did not die "with" covid, that is a faulty conclusion, for that you need to prove the infection had no role in the death, scientific data proves the opposite.

HCQ and others have no proven efficacy, that is why they are not used, this is a perfectly valid reason, even the disgraced scientist that mislead the world with a badly done and unethical study to push for HCQ use has recently recognized it has no value in preventing deaths and serious complications.

So, all the information you bring is false, so why insist on using it to convince others?

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The issuance of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is different than an FDA approval of a vaccine, in that a vaccine available under an EUA is not approved.

So I think calling them experimental is valid. I am guessing they still want to get actual FDA approval.

"Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives."

The requirement for there to be no adequate, approved, and available alternatives is probably the reason they have been working so hard to discredit all the safe, effective, and cheap treatments.

Unlike with other medicines, vaccine makers are only liable if they knowingly hide information. So it's in their interest to know as little as possible about the vaccines.

HCQ and others have no proven efficacy, that is why they are not used

You are mistaken, HCQ is used world-wide and has been proven via hundreds of studies to be effective:

https://c19hcq.com/

Only a few poorly done big pharma-linked studies show it to have no effect.

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The issuance of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is different than an FDA approval of a vaccine, in that a vaccine available under an EUA is not approved.

Fortunately that has absolutely no importance since the Pfizer vaccine is approved by the PMDA, which has extra requisites compared with the FDA approval process. So no, even by this artificial requirement the vaccine is not experimental.

Also, the requisite for something to be called experimental is that the use is prioritized to obtain data, not for their therapeutic properties.

The other conspiracy based reason is also demonstrably false, on one side because the disqualified pseudo-therapies have no data to prove usefulness, and in the case of HCQ they have already proved useless, this even accepted by Didier Raoult. When someone that was found to commit scientific malpractice just to misrepresent his pet drug as useful now accepts it has no value to prevent death nor important complications there is no longer point in trying to pretend it has any use.

The other reason why this conspiracy is obviously nonsense is because other dirt cheap drugs have been recognized without problem as extremely safe and effective in the treatment of patients, something that would be impossible if the supposed "big pharama" was attacking all the drugs that took profits from them. The humble dexamethasone is enough to prove this theory bogus.

Only a few poorly done big pharma-linked studies show it to have no effect.

Of course not, the best studies about it have proved it useless, including studies that showed no benefit at all and that were considered perfectly good studies by Raoult, thus accepting HCQ has no value for COVID-19.

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The issuance of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is different than an FDA approval of a vaccine, in that a vaccine available under an EUA is not approved.

Fortunately that has absolutely no importance since the Pfizer vaccine is approved by the PMDA, which has extra requisites compared with the FDA approval process. So no, even by this artificial requirement the vaccine is not experimental.

The PMDA special approval is still for emergency use. If there was no emergency, it would not be approved. Furthermore, the totally awful drug Remdesivir also received PMDA approval; that certainly does not inspire confidence.

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Vaccine passports will be a necessary requirement to do many things or a PCR check.

A PCR check is expensive and time consuming at present.

It won’t be considered an option by the 99%.

Without being compulsory, without a vaccination it will be impossible to do everyday tasks in the same way that an internet connection or having a mobile phone is necessary.

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The PMDA special approval is still for emergency use. If there was no emergency, it would not be approved. Furthermore, the totally awful drug Remdesivir also received PMDA approval; that certainly does not inspire confidence.

For antivaxxer propaganda no vaccine inspires confidence so that is a non-argument, the PMDA approval is still more stringent than the approval from the FDA and up to this moment it has proven to be adequate without extra risk detected from the vaccine and an important reduction of the risk for all vaccinated people.

The vaccine is not experimental any more, it is being used therapeutically, that is enough to prove that argument false.

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The vaccine is not experimental any more, it is being used therapeutically, that is enough to prove that argument false.

Whether by the FDA or the PMDA, these vaccines have only been approved for emergency use. They have yet to receive the normal approval.

If you are in a vulnerable group and feel this is an emergency, go ahead and get the vaccine if you trust the manufacturers. But for everyone else, I recommend you at least wait for the vaccines to go through the normal approval process.

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these vaccines have only been approved for emergency use. They have yet to receive the normal approval.

That is irrelevant, emergency approval do not make a vaccine still experimental, being still in phase I, II or III does, but none of the approved vaccines are in these phases, so saying they are experimental is still wrong according to the proper meaning of the word.

Your unqualified recommendation that is contrary to what the medical and scientific community in general recommend can be safely discarded, even at this stage the approved vaccines have proved to be less risky than the natural COVID-19 infection so your advice is contrary to what is objectively better for anybody that can be vaccinated.

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these vaccines have only been approved for emergency use. They have yet to receive the normal approval.

That is irrelevant, emergency approval do not make a vaccine still experimental, being still in phase I, II or III does, but none of the approved vaccines are in these phases, so saying they are experimental is still wrong according to the proper meaning of the word.

Normally, vaccines are considered experimental while they are in phase I, II, or III, as the seek for FDA approval.

But these vaccines have yet to receive such approval.

Are you suggesting they are not seeking normal (not emergency) approval?

Anyway, if you want to risk taking a vaccine that has yet to receive normal approval, be my guest. I certainly will not.

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But these vaccines have yet to receive such approval.

No, that is your mistake, the vaccines stop being experimental as long as phase III is finished, even if they never recieve any kind of approval they stop being experimental at that point, because they are no longer being experimented on.

Your misunderstanding is like saying that a student that graduated from high school remains a high schooler until they are accepted into the university, that makes no sense.

Why don't you try to find an official source (like the nih, or the FDA, the organizations that decide if something is experimental or not) that define the approved vaccines as experimental? you will not find anything, that is because you are mistaken and think being experimental or not depends on "normal approval".

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/covid-19-vaccine-faq

You saying they are experimental is still wrong, mistaken. And you not wanting them is your choice, but it is still an irrational one.

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"HCQ and others have no proven efficacy, that is why they are not used..."

Oh, is that so? Is that why on Wednesday, the WHO updated its guide on therapeutics and COVID-19, revealing that use of ivermectin showed an 81% drop in mortality, as opposed to standard care. It also shows a 64% decrease in hospitalization.

There have been numerous studies showing that Ivermectin is very useful in treating COVID-19.

Source: c19ivermectin.com

"So, all the information you bring is false, so why insist on using it to convince others?"

It appears that you are the one who making false statements.

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