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COVID air war being lost, experts warn, urging mass ventilation

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"Better ventilation also improves cognition by reducing carbon dioxide levels and, along with filtration, can reduce the impact of pollen and other allergies."

To reduce carbon Dioxide levels, get rid of the masks. What do you think is coming out of your mouth when you breath out and then continually suck some of it back in. This also can produce in medical terms, bacterial pneumonia.

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Finally mass media article spot on

Drop the mask to stop bad air issues around your face and install central aircon/heaters with proper filters and intakes to fix the interior air

covid and flu would have no chance

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Try using Airdog.

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Leaving school windows open in winter and freezing kids, or in summer, exacerbating allergies is a health problem, not a solution.

The UK has very limited amounts of air con. That's a huge opportunity for Japanese manufacturers, but air con requires energy, and that is now expensive, in short supply and anti-green.

You can't dodge an endemic disease, and if you suppress its spread, it will just stick around. We need to let waves pass through vaccinated populations rapidly, whilst protecting the vulnerable.

Air con would be great - I'd love one - but that would require bags more energy at a much lower price. A difficult circle to square courtesy of Putin.

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COVID air war being lost, experts warn, urging mass ventilation

Mass ventilation would be preferable to mass vaccination for many.

Additionally, mass isolation would be a further effective protective step.

In fact, the CDC had found that a common trait of people who have yet to become infected with Covid 19 and are not vaccinated were more prone to isolate themselves, wash their hands, and stay in well-ventilated areas.

So instead of preventing infections, there is a scientifically proven method to not get infected, and ultimately to stop infections.

Non-infected people cannot infect other people.

A simple medical concept.

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To reduce carbon Dioxide levels, get rid of the masks. What do you think is coming out of your mouth when you breath out and then continually suck some of it back in. This also can produce in medical terms, bacterial pneumonia.

There is no evidence mask use have any kind of negative effect on health by carbon dioxide levels, much less because of bacterial pneumonia, that is just disinformation promoted by anti-scientific groups.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-masks-hypoxia-idUSKBN2AM2IC

Drop the mask to stop bad air issues around your face and install central aircon/heaters with proper filters and intakes to fix the interior air

The article clearly says this is something that comes apart from the 2-meter separation measure. If you are going to be in close proximity of other people while indoors masks are still a useful way to reduce the spreading, no ventilation is going to replace them in this situation.

We need to let waves pass through vaccinated populations rapidly, whilst protecting the vulnerable.

Rapidly is the key point, populations not being specially vulnerable do not mean they are free of risks, so if everybody gets sick at the same time health services may not be able to support the sudden demand, that is why some kind of control of spreading is still recommended, so this situation do not happens.

Mass ventilation would be preferable to mass vaccination for many.

As long as those people do not complain about not being able to participate in society because of this preference that is not a problem.

For the rest of the people having both things is the best, since they are not mutually exclusive.

In fact, the CDC had found that a common trait of people who have yet to become infected with Covid 19 and are not vaccinated were more prone to isolate themselves, wash their hands, and stay in well-ventilated areas.

Is there a reference for that? because that information is not available from the CDC so you may be mistaken something different, after all it makes more sense that people that reject the scientific advice over vaccines also do the same about any other measures against covid that they find inconvenient, like isolating.

Non-infected people cannot infect other people.

There is no realistic way for people to live in society without having the risk of infection, which is why any country where human rights are thought as important this approach is not an absolute rule and it serves better to the community interest to have some degree of infection, controlled and under vigilance.

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Anti-maskers love this self-poisoning CO2 trope, don’t they? Yet every single day in every single surgery and hospital all around the world, doctors, surgeons, nurses and other medical staff routinely wear surgical masks for hours and hours at a time, day after day, week after week, and suffer none of the imaginary problems anti-maskers think they ought to, and neither do they pass on any other problems they might have while treating patients. Cleaner air AND wearing masks are the answer, if we want to avoid both being infected, and infecting one another.

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The world is still not using one of its most effective weapons against COVID -- properly ventilating public spaces -- more than two years into the pandemic, experts warn.

Actually, the most effective weapon is for you to have a strong immune system and immunity towards SARS-CoV-2, and there is nothing better than vaccination (if you have not yet been infected).

Properly ventilation, was a measure that would have made sense back in 2020 when people who were vulnerable still could not get vaccinated, and supposedly we destroy society with the single purpose of "slowing the spread" and "flattening the curve", but even though proper ventilation was shown with proper evidence to be very effective against spread, governments and experts focused in things that "showed" you were doing something, even if the effects are questionable, like masking and social distance.

Not to mention that even to this day, there are still acrylic boards and plastic all over the place, which are well known to be bad for preventing spread, since they do not allow the proper flow of air to occur (the contrary to having good ventilation)

Right now doing it is ok, but it won't be able to prevent the deaths if could have prevented back in 2020 if people didn't focused on security theater.

So yeah, I just love how these articles act oblivious to the reality of what has been going on, when the mass media has been responsible for people overfocusing in security theater rather than in actual solutions, and to overhype terror against a single virus.

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As long as those people do not complain about not being able to participate in society because of this preference that is not a problem.

For the rest of the people having both things is the best, since they are not mutually exclusive.

Anybody can complain about anything.

Is there a reference for that? because that information is not available from the CDC so you may be mistaken something different, after all it makes more sense that people that reject the scientific advice over vaccines also do the same about any other measures against covid that they find inconvenient, like isolating.

There certainly is a reference from the CDC on this. You are mistaken if you believe otherwise.

Regardless, it is simply common sense, since there factually are people who have never been infected, and it does not mean they reject scientific advice--that is a broad leap of logic that overlooks other explanations.

There is no realistic way for people to live in society without having the risk of infection, which is why any country where human rights are thought as important this approach is not an absolute rule and it serves better to the community interest to have some degree of infection, controlled and under vigilance.

You totally ignore the issue, and try to argue something different.

But it is a simple medical fact that non-infected people cannot infect other people. Science deniers may claim otherwise we see.

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Leaving school windows open in winter and freezing kids, or in summer, exacerbating allergies is a health problem, not a solution.

The solution is proper ventilation systems.

Basically systems that circulate air without having to open the window, and make use of the already existing air conditioning system, so that people do not freeze to death.

Of course, it is complicated, costs money, and it is something that is not immediately visible, so people prefer doing low cost, low benefit, high visibility stuff like masking.

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Being a former building engineer, running efficient ventilation systems is complicated and very expensive. They require weekly maintenance and frequent changes of filters. Recirculating air is bad.

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running efficient ventilation systems is complicated and very expensive

Indeed it is.

I mean, if it is between lockdowns, unlimited masking, never ending histeria, and proper ventilation, I would say it is worth, even more if people actually cared so much about preventing infection, but people want a fast, easy solution, even if it isn't actually a good solution, and if it means violating basic human rights, so I don't see it happening.

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Anybody can complain about anything.

And that would evidence a lack of consideration of their own choices, the same as thinking getting proper ventilation would require lack of vaccines.

There certainly is a reference from the CDC on this. You are mistaken if you believe otherwise.

Seeing you are completely unable to provide it it is simply much more likely you misunderstood it, realized it now and therefore could not produce it. Recognizing this mistake you made is a positive thing.

You totally ignore the issue, and try to argue something different.

The issue is the realistically impossible solution you propose to replace what the experts of the world recognize as the best course of action. Trying to avoid this issue is what invalidates your argument. There is no point in suggesting impossible or counterproductive solutions.

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Having worked in two very large hospitals, one public and one private, they have some of the most complicated and efficient air flow systems that are usually maintained to high standards.

Air extraction is simple enough, just taking the air outside. But air needed for ac is more complicated and expensive.

But these systems are about particles not removing virus.

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And that would evidence a lack of consideration of their own choices, the same as thinking getting proper ventilation would require lack of vaccines.

No comparison to someone thinking Antarctica is a country:

Antartica is not the only country that have a lower death rate than China, and again adjusting to the same way China uses to hide deaths dozens of other countries do better.

https://japantoday.com/category/business/layoffs-and-exits-firms-in-china-teeter-under-zero-covid-pressure#comment-3082717

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Spent Sunday in Centre Court. First time in two and a half years I have not worn a mask in a public place.

Three days later, sick today with a temperature, headache, sore throat and cough. Will take a test when I get home.

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PS Tested positive just now…

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Probably ok until they closed the roof during the Djokovic match.(?)

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No comparison to someone thinking Antarctica is a country:

You mean not understanding that Antarctica was included in a list of countries?

Much worse is to make up an imaginary reference to the CDC and be so frustrated by being found out that the only resource left is to make off topic comments that have absolutely nothing to do with ventilation.

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