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White House pushes unproven malaria drug for virus; doctors wary

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My wife thrusts medicines on me when I'm ill. Reluctant to take them, they're usually covertly discarded, but sometimes she hovers over me to ensure ingestion. And I've had some bad reactions.

Trump's desire to scrape by in the upcoming election is again putting lives at risk.

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Trump, Navarro, Giuliani, Trump jr,. Bolsonaro vs Fauci. You all decide. Trump and idiots all wasted time and now they are all experts who want to make themselves look good. Do the clinical trials on the MAGA crowd, they'll take any pill their great leader wants them to.

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"But I have common sense.”

Says the guy with such a high IQ.

Give it a try, we'll see what happens.

Just like his "comedy shows", his business and so on.

Once again: shut up when you don't know what's going on!

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President Donald Trump and his administration kept up their out-sized promotion Monday of an malaria drug not yet officially approved for fighting the new coronavirus, even though scientists say more testing is needed before it’s proven safe and effective against COVID-19.

oh big pharma must be livid that they’re not getting their 80% slice of the pie. Watch an NFL game from the last 10 years to see just how much money is paid to the networks by big pharma drug commercials.

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And he's right: what's there to lose? 

Well, let's see. There's the side effects. There's the people who have already overdosed on it.

And of course there's the people who actually need the drug for their medical conditions, such as lupus and others, that will be unable to get the drug or face a shortage of it because idiots are taking it because 'what's there to lose?'

There's a lot to lose. But hey, never mind, a very stable genius said to give it a shot!

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because I want to save lives

With TrumpCare? How are CV patients going to pay for the medical care since TrumpCare is a total failure? They are so afraid to go to the hospital with bills in the 100s of thousands (or worse) that they won't get treated and keep spreading it.

But what of it does?

Doctors would know it by now if there was strong indication. Remember Trump is the person who insists that walls work to keep out people who have ladders and shovels. Are there any new memos from clinicians or researches (I don't mean from Trump University) that have stated this anti malaria drug shows real promising results? What do the best medical minds say? Remember truth vs. Hollywood and don't take Netflix so seriously. This isn't a Hollywood zombie movie where there is a sudden solution to wipe out the sickness with a simple drug cocktail and all you need to do is go to the local Walgreens (as long as the zombies don't get you first). In the future? Yes, but it will take a lot of hard work and study before something is mainstream.

I wonder, do these people want covid19 to be cured

Yes of course - and how are they going to pay for it in the USA with TrumpCare? At least in Japan you are safe from bankruptcy. You may not be safe from the disease but you won't have to take out a second mortgage to pay for healthcare bills here.

Trump people: Do you really want to listen to Trump?

Arizona Man Dies, Wife Hospitalized After Self-Medicating With Anti-Malaria Drug to Treat Coronavirus

(news source pertaining to Trump followers listening to Trump)

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"I’d bet on President Trump’s intuition on this one.”

Oh my . . .

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In my country, so far 226 people have been infected, 92 are cured with malaria medicine...

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Like when the Surgeon General said that in the beginning masks don’t work and he got hammered for that later. I say, why not give it chance, if it works great, if it doesn’t, at least effort was given.

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I say, why not give it chance

OK....

Arizona Man Dies, Wife Hospitalized After Self-Medicating With Anti-Malaria Drug to Treat Coronavirus

(news source pertaining to Trump followers listening to Trump)

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oh big pharma must be livid that they’re not getting their 80% slice of the pie. 

Damn capitalism and intellectual property rights!

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Trump is going to get more Americans killed.

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Yes, why not have widespread, uncontrolled human trials if an unproven drug?! It’s an absolute equivalent to wearing masks.

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Trump is going to get more Americans killed.

Especially with Jared in charge and TrumpCare as the main insurer.

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In my country, so far 226 people have been infected, 92 are cured with malaria medicine...

Funny that gets a downvote. Tells you where these people's hearts are (assuming the have hearts).

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Like when the Surgeon General said that in the beginning masks don’t work and he got hammered for that later. 

What does he SG say about using anti malaria drugs for CV?

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In my country, so far 226 people have been infected, 92 are cured with malaria medicine...

I'm sure you have a study you can link to that supports this assertion.

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Re-purposing existing drugs that have been through testing, is a more realistic solution for a short-term solution than placing hope in a vaccine.

However, it's not a matter of 'lets try everything'. Doctors need to figure out if something works, what dose works, if a different does is counter-productive etc.

Trump has been desperate for a quick solution, because he has an election coming up, and this is destroying his one claim to fame, the economy. So he's trying to pretend everything is alright. He's been doing that from the start. First downplaying it, then playing it off as a hoax by the democrats, then blaming it on the states. Now he's trying to find something, anything, that can fix this quickly. That could very well lead to many more American deaths or unexpected side effects.

What the world needs right now are leaders who are open, realistic, and objective in their approaches to dealing with this epidemic. Trump is none of these.

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The idiot in the office is worried this will last all the way to election season. He can't control the narrative or the economy, and people are not being fooled by his distractions anymore.

Russia can't help win this fight. The "war-time" president was defeated in November of last year when disbanded the Pandemic Unit, fired the person in charge of keeping and eye on China infections, removing funding, and sabotaging Obamacare!

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I would say the virus is doing that.

No, it's TrumpCare. It does not work. It is killing people.

Dr. Carson supports it.

Can you be more specific? He said give it to all CV patients? Like in Arizona?

One of the greatest surgeons in the US

Is he the only brain surgeon to ever exist? What is so special about Ben Carson brain surgery skills? There are lots of brain surgeons (including in Japan)

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Dr. Carson supports it. One of the greatest surgeons in the US thinks we should give the drug a chance, I definitely trust his judgment....

He's a surgeon, not an epidemiologist.

did I mention, he’s black?

Why are right wingers always playing the race card?

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Arizona Man Dies, Wife Hospitalized After Self-Medicating With Anti-Malaria Drug to Treat Coronavirus

Did you read a little farther and discover that those poor individuals did not ingest anti-malaria / lupus medication? The man and his wife drank a fish tank cleaner containing chloroquine as a Covid19 preventative. Apparently, human chloroquine meds do work to relieve some of the symptoms of Covid19.

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The man and his wife drank a fish tank cleaner containing chloroquine as a Covid19 preventative. 

Where did they get the idea that chloroquine prevents Covid-19?

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One of the greatest surgeons in the US

No, it's just a cult-like story. He's simply a successful person who used to be poor as a child and became a surgeon (who happens to be black) and he let it get to his head. Although a bit of an exception there are many stories of poor people becoming successful. What really is special about Dr. Carson? He is also a proponent of TrumpCare and that's killing a lot of people - it's a fact. For public health he is one of the worst doctors.

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Trump's shtick has always been that of a snake oil salesman. I heard a report that he was ordering 29 million tablets with tax-payers' money!? Cui bono? Someone had better follow the money on this.

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Where did they get the idea that chloroquine prevents Covid-19?

You tell me. Apparently a lot of people get silliness in their minds and make all kinds of illogical leaps. The circus, the craziness, the noise and general inanity surrounding Covid19 is beyond anything I could've ever imagined.

Whatever the death number from covid19 might ultimately be, I think it will be a very small footnote in the history of how covid19 changed the world.

Run some numbers. Calculate how many people are sick or dead vs the population of the world or a locality like NYC or Italy. Even one death is too many, but keep in mind that most of the fatalities are made up of people who already had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

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You tell me.

Okay: they got the idea from the President of the United States, Donald Trump.

How do I know this?

That's what they told us.

Weird that you glossed over that.

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