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Efforts grow to stamp out use of parasite drug ivermectin for COVID-19

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There have already been two large scale trials in the US... Ivermecin has ZERO benefit... unless you have worms! But still quite funny to see the anti- vaccine cultists taking this stuff.

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Japan has already approved the "informed consent" use ivermectin as a treatment for Covid and the head of the Tokyo Medical Association has stated that Japanese doctors should not only be using it, but the government should promote its use.

But somehow, the world ignores this story. Why?

See it in Japanese here (its the Yomiuri Shimbun, not some dude's anti-vax blog)

https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/

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Animal deworming drugs will harm people as already happening in America.

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It's widely used by health authorities in India.

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There have already been two large scale trials in the US... Ivermecin has ZERO benefit... unless you have worms! But still quite funny to see the anti- vaccine cultists taking this stuff.

Isn't it odd that the reason why Japan is so late with vaccinations, to the point that spectators had to be banned from the beloved Olympics, is because Japan insisted on extra precaution with any vaccine approval...

...yet, with ivermectin, this "dangerous animal deworming drug", it is currently approved for coronavirus treatment with approved consent in Japan, despite the country's extreme precautions?

If it has zero benefit, why is it approved for use and being used in Japan and in other countries?

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Animal deworming drugs will harm people as already happening in America.

True. Also, homemade alcohol kills people all the time in India. Thats what happens when regular people resort to figuring things out for themselves.

Please show where the human form of ivermectin when administered by a doctor has harmed people in any substantial way, and your point will be valid.

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“It’s pretty easy to get into toxic levels,” said Boulware, an infectious disease specialist. “All these concentrated doses that are meant for a 2,000 pound horse can certainly get people sick or hospitalized for toxicity.”

The only reason some people get toxic levels is because they don't have access to formulations meant for humans. Over the past decades, billions of people have been treated safely with ivermectin. It is an extremely safe drug.

And there is mounting evidence that it is very effective against Covid19, especially when given early. A number of places have seen drastic decreases is cases, hospitalizations, and deaths immediately after distributing ivermectin.

Here in Japan, doctors can prescribe ivermectin to treat Covid19 off label. Unfortunately many doctors don't know this. If you get Covid19, you should demand to get an ivermectin prescription, and perhaps bring with you a printout of the government statement regarding its off label use.

The government however should do more and help increase supplies...

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Below is a link to a review article from the Japanese Journal of Antibiotics summarizing the evidence supporting ivermectin's efficacy against COVID-19, co-authored by Satoshi Omura - 2015 Nobel prize winner for the discovery of ivermectin (although I'm sure someone will shortly come along to tell me why I shouldn't trust a quack like him).

Global trends in clinical studies of ivermectin in COVID-19

http://jja-contents.wdc-jp.com/pdf/JJA74/74-1-open/74-1_44-95.pdf

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Why does Japan Today just uncritically publish news from America? This is Japan and the Japanese medical authorities have approved ivermectin for human use on the basis that the data indicate it could be useful.

I'd rather trust Japanese experts than Americans given how well things have been handled here

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The above is obviously a propaganda piece. There is mounting evidence of ivermectin's positive effects against Covid19, but none of it can be found it the article, it is all negative.

If anyone wants to learn more: https://covid19criticalcare.com/

It is crystal clear that we cannot count on the vaccines to pull us out of this pandemic. Yes, vaccines can be very helpful for the more vulnerable, but what we have seen is that vaccination is not enough, even if we vaccinated everyone. We still need safe and effective treatments, and a number of them are already available (ivermectin, HCQ+azithromycin...). It's unfortunate that AP and others continue to push this only-vaxxes-will-save-us narrative.

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Ivermectin works against any covid infections and can be safely taken any time. Since it's use in certain cities and towns in India, deaths and infections have gone completely down. The cities that are not using it have increasing deaths and infections, Other countries are also using it successfully.

Note how a picture of Ivermectin animal treatment is shown deliberately. Ivermectin comes in tablets for human use and has been used for more than 30 years around the world. It also was approved by the FDA years ago as a safe medicine. Now all of a sudden they want to try and ban it because it works. But, people would rather take an untested, experimental, not actually approved " so called" vaccine. Go figure.

There have been no large trials on Ivermectin for covid. If there were real trials it would damage the vaccine agenda. It should also be said that none of those inmates in prison came down with any covid infections. People who are using Ivermectin "horse paste" for example are doing so because they have not been able to buy the Human treatment tabs. No one has died from it unlike the thousands of deaths and injuries from this vaccine which are recorded on government information sites around the world. Horse paste can still be used but you have to take small amount suitable for the weight of the human body. No one injects it like as shown in the photo.

To say the Ivermectin has zero benefit is false. It is a proven safe treatment for a number of infectious diseases all round the world. Problem is that it is too cheap for drug companies to make any money- around 12 US Dollars for a treatment.

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@ Burning Bush

JFYI, India's health ministry removed treatment based on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, favipiravir, doxycycline, zinc, and vitamins from its COVID19 guidelines in June, then turned around and granted emergency use authorization for its own domestic vaccine, ZyCoV-D, in August. However, the Indian Council of Medical Research still recommends therapeutic use of ivermectin for mild cases.

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Note how a picture of Ivermectin animal treatment is shown deliberately. Ivermectin comes in tablets for human 

This needs repeating to get this drilled into the minds of the brainwashed. We’ve seen this fake news “horse” campaign ramping up in the last few days with the Rogan success. The corporate MSM are doing their own misinformation here along with Big tech: Goo, FB, Twitter, etc are all censoring and deleting regular folks and doctors who want to talk about it.

After the terrible wars of the 20 century due to massive lies and propaganda, it amazes me to see it happening again.

Note how a picture of Ivermectin animal treatment is shown deliberately. Ivermectin comes in tablets for human 

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The growing efforts to stamp out use of ivermectin for COVID-19 would seem to include so-called 'fake news', such as a recently widely reported story that gunshot victims were left waiting unattended as 'horse dewormer' overdoses were overwhelming hospitals in Oklahoma. However, visitors to the Northeastern Health System Sequoyah website are presently greeted with a message saying:

NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.

All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care.

Neither The Guardian nor RollingStone have retracted their original reports but have amended their stories to include the NHSS statement in such a way that casual readers may still be left with the impression that the headline is correct.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-afghanistan-refugees-idUSL1N2Q605Q

Fact Check-The U.S. prescribes ivermectin to refugees for parasitic worms, not COVID-19

so obviously, its not horse dewormer and has a different version for use for humans.

Plus the media lying that people are overdosing on it.

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Rolling Stone was forced to issue an update to their viral story about Oklahoma hospitals being overwhelmed by patients who overdosed on the drug ivermectin after the doctor they cited was contradicted by the hospitals he referenced.

This false story was put out to try to discredit Joe Rogan recovering from COVID within 3 days by using ivermectin and other supposedly "debunked" treatments.

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For comparison in how media may portray something to fit the narrative, compare these two statements:

"Horse tranquilizer used as hallucinogenic party drug sends kids to hospital."

"Generic anesthesia is the safest option for patients with respiratory and blood pressure conditions."

Both are true, and both are for the same drug, ketamine.

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But somehow, the world ignores this story. Why?

Mainly because nobody presented any information to support its use, and that is why it was never approved for treatment of COVID, one person (not an institution) being hopelessly behind in the evidence does nothing to support the use of a drug that has demonstrated no usefulness. Its value as news is only to prove some people can become chariman of medical associations without being able to correctly judge scientific information.

If it has zero benefit, why is it approved for use and being used in Japan and in other countries?

Not in Japan, and there are many reasons why ineffective drugs are used around the world, a third of the antibiotic use for medical reasons is for diseases against antibiotics bring no benefit.

The above is obviously a propaganda piece. There is mounting evidence of ivermectin's positive effects against Covid19, but none of it can be found it the article, it is all negative.

The consensus of science is that the best available science completely contradicts this flawed conclusion, as usual people without experience in science think one report can prove something, even when more and better evidence heavily indicates the opposite. This happened with HCQ and again with ivermectin, but it is still mistaken. Low quality studies gives wildly different results, so if you pick from those only the studies you want to hear it can give the impression the evidence points towards something, meta-analysis are made specifically to avoid this, and until now they clearly point out to ivermectin to be of no use for COVID.

Ivermectin works against any covid infections and can be safely taken any time.

Both things are false, it apparently offers no benefit and it has risks for the health that make its use to require medical vigilance, people can die of poisoning because of it.

Recommending people to use the drug without takin any responsibility for the well know risks is obviously something that can have heavy consequences and can be even illegal. That is why it became so important not to have these (or any other drugs with known toxic properties) to be freely available for people to abuse thanks to irresponsible people that try to push them to use them.

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Large studies are now underway in the U.S. and overseas to determine if the drug has any effect on preventing or blunting COVID-19.

So in the meantime, let people take it if they want and leave them alone. For someone battling a covid infection now, it's not much help to tell them to wait a year for the results of the study!

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The recent case where a hospital in Ohio refused a ventilator Covid patient ivermectin, judge orders the hospital to do so:

*Julie Smith, Jeffrey’s wife, testified her husband had been “up and down” on the ventilator prior to the injunction when he began receiving regular doses. *Since then, he’s stabilized.

That was confirmed in part by Jeffrey Smith’s ICU physician, Dr. Daniel Tanase, though Tanase also said Smith s not at the point where he can come off the ventilator.

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Are people scared of needles or something? They would rather put some weird drug in their body but a vaccine no?

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FDA.

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

"Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death. "

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

"Merck, the maker of Ivermectin, had said that, while company scientists continued to examine findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of Covid-19, it has been identified to date that there is no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against Covid-19 from pre-clinical studies and no meaningful evidence for clinical efficacy in patients with Covid-19.

The Merck statement was released on February 4, 2021, "

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/cabaero-death-blow-ivermectin-100000910.html

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Ketamine. Another drug no one should take.

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so why does the Biden administration mandate that all refugees take it?

are they trying to poison the refugees?

Both things are false, it apparently offers no benefit and it has risks for the health that make its use to require medical vigilance, people can die of poisoning because of it.

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and since Feb 2021, people have taken it (the people version, not the animal version) and recovered from COVID.

no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against Covid-19 from pre-clinical studies and no meaningful evidence for clinical efficacy in patients with Covid-19.

The Merck statement was released on February 4, 2021, "

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Because the pharmaceutical companies spend so much on advertising that the media withholds anything that would cut into the profits of their cash cow.

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Blacklabel

I have a simple answer for you. Last week we had our first jabs and all was good. No pain. No side-effects. In two weeks we will have the second jab. Both cost us zero.

You are anti covid vaccine so you can take Ivermertin if you get covid symptoms.

I believe we have made the correct decision and you the wrong one.

But it's your body, your life.

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There are shortages of animal Ivermectin for farmers because people are buying it off the shelves.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-shaky-science-behind-ivermectin-as-a-covid-19-cure

Mississippi health officials are pleading with residents not to take a medicine meant for cows and horses as an alternative to getting the COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030208101/mississippi-livestock-drug-ivermectin-covid-misinformation

Thinking of trying ivermectin for COVID? Here’s what can happen with this controversial drug

https://theconversation.com/thinking-of-trying-ivermectin-for-covid-heres-what-can-happen-with-this-controversial-drug-167178

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My brother in South Africa who got Covid was prescribed Ivermectin by a doctor (not a witch doctor/sangoma!) He took it for 5 days and recovered with no ill effects. If Ivermectin was approved as an over the counter medicine with proper dosages/ relative contraindications shown people wouldn't resort to taking animal grade medicine and overdosing. ANY drug taken (including vitamins and supplements) incorrectly can cause an overdose! Ivermectin (Stromectol,Ivermectol etc.) can easily and legally be bought for personal use over the internet from Japanese sites that sell generic pharmaceuticals.

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so why does the Biden administration mandate that all refugees take it?

are they trying to poison the refugees?

Who know, maybe they do, if they present no data to justify that decision it may just be used as an antiparasitic, something that it is well known for, under medical vigilance.

and since Feb 2021, people have taken it (the people version, not the animal version) and recovered from COVID.

And people have taken aspirin and recovered as well, which doesn't mean they recovered because of either drug.

For that you require multiple randomized blind studies that prove people on the drug recover more than people without it, enough to contradict the studies that show the opposite.

My brother in South Africa who got Covid was prescribed Ivermectin

Anecdotes are the worst class of evidence possible, specially without confirmation. If scientific studies on thousands of patients say one thing while a story about one single patient says the opposite it should be clear which one is more likely to be correct.

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Ivermectin (Stromectol,Ivermectol etc.) can easily and legally be bought for personal use over the internet from Japanese sites that sell generic pharmaceuticals.

Are there any particular sites recommended? I worry about giving my credit card info to anyone untrustworthy. I definitely would like to buy some. Idealy, we should all have some at home, and take it as soon as we suspect being infected (first appearance of symptoms).

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I say let those who want it should buy as much of it as they can take, or take as much of it as they can buy, and in so doing take themselves off the count.

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There are shortages of animal Ivermectin for farmers because people are buying it off the shelves.

Ahhhh Survival is a wonderful thing. Same drug, different dosage. We “deplorables” are smarter than the highest MSM talking tool who are going to say “it’s not as clean as the human ivermectin”.

Now if you said “There are shortages of animals because people are buying them off the shelves”, that would be a true statement.

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There have already been two large scale trials in the US... Ivermecin has ZERO benefit... unless you have worms! But still quite funny to see the anti- vaccine cultists taking this stuff..

From the Japanese Journal of Antibiotics, March 2021

"... Furthermore, by the 27th of February, the results of 42 clinical trials, including approximately 15,000 patients (both registered and unregistered studies) have been subjected to a meta-analysis after exclusion of biasing factors. It was found that 83% showed improvements with early treatment, 51% improved during late-stage treatment, and there was an 89% prevention of onset rate noted. This confirms the usefulness of ivermectin. Since it is a meta-analysis based on 42 test results, it is estimated that the probability of this comprehensive judgment being a mistake is as low as 1 in 4 trillion."

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@Raw Beer I would like to recommend but I think my comment will be deleted. Look for イベルメクトール//ストロメクトール and you can find a site that accepts convenience store payments if you are worried. @Virusrex My comment was about the fact that my brother took Ivermectin prescribed by a doctor! The story talks about people self medicating and overdosing. I wanted to illustrate that when taken under the directions of a medical professional at the correct dosage there were no ill effects. Why do you see the vaccine as the only option? There are people living in developing countries that can't sit around waiting to die while waiting for the vaccine to show up!!!

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but you still support that I be excluded from regular society until I comply with what YOU think is correct, right?

or is this an enlightened change in your position?

I am perfectly fine with not taking a vaccine then on the small chance I get COVID, taking a therapeutic. So can I fly on planes and eat indoors and go to concerts now?

I believe we have made the correct decision and you the wrong one.

But it's your body, your life.

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@Zichi I was wondering why you waited to get the vaccine. You mentioned previously that their might be some issues with your wife having an allergic reaction. But why did you have to get it at the same time? Wouldn't it have been better, in case one of you got ill or had side effects, to get it at different times? This is not a criticism. I am just wondering how you came to this decision.

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Correction to my spelling of 'there' in the second sentence.

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@Raw Beer/Burning Bush etc etc. Can any of you very briefly actually tell me how an anti-parasitic drug is a remedy for a virus without directing me to an odd website. Prepared to listen but I'd rather you could tell me in one simple paragraph.

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Are there any particular sites recommended? I worry about giving my credit card info to anyone untrustworthy.

Anybody recommending its use for COVID, even in the absence of evidence of it being actually useful would be untrustworthy.

This confirms the usefulness of ivermectin. Since it is a meta-analysis based on 42 test results, it is estimated that the probability of this comprehensive judgment being a mistake is as low as 1 in 4 trillion."

This is false, because this assumes a correct methodology, (both for the metanalysis and each of the analyzed studies) and that they are all correct, which is not a valid assumption, specially if you consider that some of the studies considered have been retracted (or withdrawn) because they were proven to have invalid manipulations and "mistakes". As all meta-analyzis do, the quality of the analysis can only be as high as the quality of the studies included.

but you still support that I be excluded from regular society until I comply with what YOU think is correct, right?

That would be according to what can be proved scientifically or not, and you are the same, except that it will apply only to those for whom you don't share your beliefs, if you think they are wrong and the science support you It would be easy to prove you would also restrict those people freedom to act as they wish to reduce your risk.

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Blacklabel

but you still support that I be excluded from regular society until I comply with what YOU think is correct, right?

That is incorrect. I am pro covid vaccination but I have never posted it should ever be compulsory.

mountainpear

@Zichi I was wondering why you waited to get the vaccine. You mentioned previously that their might be some issues with your wife having an allergic reaction. But why did you have to get it at the same time?

Just personal choice and then we had to wait for the next round of jabs.

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I was looking for somewhere to buy hamburger buns on the weekend, using google I started typing

''Where can I buy...'' and one of the top suggestions was ''Where can I buy Ivermectin in Japan.?''

I didn't expect to see that here in Japan but smoothbrains are everywhere I guess. Why can't people just get the vaccine and not over complicate things with their paranoid schizophrenic theories and delusions?

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Large studies are now underway in the U.S. and overseas to determine if the drug has any effect on preventing or blunting COVID-19.

Good. In the meantime seems side effects with human doses are mild. I wonder by what mechanism of action it could help against coronavirus.

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Good. In the meantime seems side effects with human doses are mild. I wonder by what mechanism of action it could help against coronavirus.

facilitating the transport of zinc into the cell being attacked, and that suppresses the virus replication.

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I have never suffered side effects with Ivermectin. You can buy it from Southeast Asia web pharma sites, and they airmail to Japan.

I have never had any problems. The medicines come with manufacturers label, ingredients, expiry date, storage instructions, prescription note (and you don’t need a prescription), etc

Usually takes 3 to 4 weeks to arrive.

No big deal.

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"It has also been widely used in other countries, including India and Brazil."

It is true that Ivermectin has been widely used in India for COVID treatment. But it has nothing to do with the fact that India has a conservative government in power. Indian conservatives have very different talking points as compared to conservatives in other countries.

In general, the Indian conservatives are not anti-science. They just believe that all scientific principles were elucidated originally in Vedic scriptures. Therefore, conservatives in India have promoted the use of Coronil, an ayurvedic herbal tablet as a supplementary drug for COVID and called allopathic medicines useless in tackling diseases.

Baba Ramdev, a monk who teaches yoga and is in bed with Modi's government, claims that all Western medicine is useless as seen from the high cases in Western countries and that Ayurvedic herbs should be used to tackle COVID.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/medical-association-vs-baba-ramdev-5-things-to-know-about-the-controversy-121060100334_1.html

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/yoga-guru-ramdev-withdraws-comments-on-allopathic-medicine-after-furore-121052400002_1.html

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/doctors-question-plan-to-hand-out-patanjali-s-coronil-to-covid-19-patients-11622024403835.html

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so at least by now we have the liberal media having to retract their false stories of so many people overdosing that the ER somewhere cant function. It isnt necessary for the media to immediately put out false stories about every potential therapeutic and misrepresent its use to try to ridicule people.

We also finally have liberals admitting that there actually is a human version of this, that the Biden administration demands that refugees take it and that people arent actually taking "horse dewormer".

progress.

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@Doc - Do you have chronic Scabies? Just wondering what you require Ivermectin for that you couldn't get it prescribed here for a legitimate need?

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so at least by now we have the liberal media having to retract their false stories of so many people overdosing that the ER somewhere cant function. It isnt necessary for the media to immediately put out false stories about every potential therapeutic and misrepresent its use to try to ridicule people.

The article doesn't say anything about any retractions by the liberal media.

It does on the other hand contain facts like:

U.S. poison control centers have seen a five-fold increase in emergency calls related to the drug, with some incidents requiring hospitalization.

and

The CDC cited one case of a man who drank an injectable form of ivermectin intended for cattle. He suffered hallucinations, confusion, tremors and other side effects before being hospitalized for nine days.

and

The FDA has tried to debunk online claims that animal-strength versions of the drug can help fight COVID-19.

“Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm,” the FDA warned in a public advisory. The drug can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, seizures, delirium and even death, said the agency.

Guess the author, and the American Medical Association, the FDA and the CDC are all in on the same liberal media conspiracy, right?

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so "some" incidents, one guy, and dont take the animal version/animal dosage as a human. I dont see much there that should concern anyone.

Meanwhile the liberal media hysterically made up a story that an Oklahoma hospital was overrun by these overdoses. It was a fake story. Probably the same fake story as some random guy drinking injectable ivermectin. it has to be "injectable", so the media can then circle back to people were "injecting bleach" nonsense.

Even so, intentional misuse of a product doesnt mean it doesnt work. Joe Rogan took ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, Z-pack antibiotics and a vitamin drip for "three days in a row" and was cured. So which one of those did that?

 also: "The Food and Drug administration is urging people to stop ingesting the animal version of the drug to fight COVID-19, warning it can cause nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, neurologic disorders and potentially severe hepatitis requiring hospitalization." The animal version of the drug in animal dosages causes those side effects.

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@Doc - Do you have chronic Scabies? Just wondering what you require Ivermectin for that you couldn't get it prescribed here for a legitimate need?

Whatever I had, it’s all gone.

Let us know how your boosters work out. Because they’re coming. And they’ll keep coming.

Until you figure it out.

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@Doc: I'm pretty sure that if I even thought I had Parasitic Worms or Head Lice I wouldn't be waiting 3-4 weeks for a delivery from South East Asia (I know a great pharmacy btw - only takes 2-3 days) when the drug was available here on prescription - it is all very odd. I still can't seem to get answer on how Ivermectin ACTUALLY works against Covid - whereas how both different kinds of vaccines work has been EXTREMELY well documented.

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Even so, intentional misuse of a product doesnt mean it doesnt work. 

Yup, that is logical.

The lack of actual medical evidence that it works though strongly suggests one should pause before jumping on its bandwagon though.

Joe Rogan took ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, Z-pack antibiotics and a vitamin drip for "three days in a row" and was cured. So which one of those did that?

How should I know? His case obviously proves nothing about the effectiveness of Ivermectin.

Meanwhile the liberal media hysterically made up a story that an Oklahoma hospital was overrun by these overdoses. It was a fake story. Probably the same fake story as some random guy drinking injectable ivermectin. it has to be "injectable", so the media can then circle back to people were "injecting bleach" nonsense.

Yeah, yeah, "liberal media conspiracy blah blah...."

I got it, you are great at throwing up a lot of greivances about liberal media, which you don't like. This article we are actually commenting on says nothing about an Oklahoma hospital getting over run by overdoses or anything like that.

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https://english.alarabiya.net/coronavirus/2021/09/05/Israel-s-COVID-19-adviser-calls-country-to-prepare-for-a-fourth-booster-vaccine-shot

Maybe it’ll stop at number 5 at year end. What a vaccine.

The most highly vaccinated country has one of the highest infection rates.

Seems to be pattern, as the Cult ponders existing medicines that have been safely on the market for decades, and ponders concocted veterinarial stories.

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facilitating the transport of zinc into the cell being attacked, and that suppresses the virus replication.

That mechanism depends completely on doses that are impossible to reach (safely) on humans, so it is not likely it has any role.

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I'm pretty sure that if I even thought I had Parasitic Worms or Head Lice I wouldn't be waiting 3-4 weeks

Well, mail service isn’t what it used to be. And I am in no rush.

And I am not really that interested in what you think you may have or not.

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@mountainpear, thanks! I just placed an order, and I didn't even need a credit card, I can also pay by bank transfer at a convenience store. There is a waiting period however, many people are buying it seems...

"The Food and Drug administration is urging people to stop ingesting the animal version of the drug to fight COVID-19, warning it can cause nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, neurologic disorders and potentially severe hepatitis requiring hospitalization." The animal version of the drug in animal dosages causes those side effects.

Yeah, a more honest title for the article would be "Efforts grow to stamp out use of animal versions of ivermectin for COVID-19". Even the FLCCC recommends people stay away from the animal versions of the drug.

I suspect they're counting on people not paying much attention to the details and end up believing that all ivermectin is toxic.

Having said that, even taking the animal version of ivermectin is probably safer than getting the vaccine....

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Let me get this straight. All these anivaxxers are refusing to take an FDA approved vaccine and instead are playing doctor and taking Ivermectin which is parasite drug to self treat for a virus???!!!!

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all these stories are FAKE. There is no issue at all in liberal media and no consequences for publishing false stories.

"The AP reported that 70% of recent calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center were from people who had ingested ivermectin to try to treat COVID-19.

The correction acknowledges that it was actually only 2%."

U.S. poison control centers have seen a five-fold increase in emergency calls related to the drug, with some incidents requiring hospitalization.

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As an advocate for said treatment i think it is only fair that you tell us about your experiences.

I am strongly advocating that you get your vaccine booster. As I deal with a seemingless endless blight of intestinal worms.

Stay safe.

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@Doc - Come on Buddy. Why the avoidance of questions?

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Blacklabel

you didn’t want to take the covid vaccine because it wasn’t approved. Now the Pfizer is approved. But you would be willing to take ivermectin which isn’t approved for human use. Strange logic in my book.

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@Resident. Your question was answered but it looks like you missed it. Typical.

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it IS approved for human use.

The human version that the Biden administration forces all refugees to the United States to take.

But you would be willing to take ivermectin which isn’t approved for human use.

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Any researcher can go to a newspaper and give them a wild story about how some drug works like a miracle on a virus. The reporter is not qualified to do his own research and check if a story is true or not. So he publishes it. But there is no pear review of the drugs effect, just a word of one researcher. But as a result all the antivaxxers go crazy and start using this garbage. Some might remember Haruko Obokata who did stem cell research and published a paper and everyone got so excited in Japan, but Yoshiki Sasai who later committed suicide co-wrote papers on stem cells that were published in journal Nature but later withdrawn amid claims of fakery. Therefore I wouldn't trust a word of a researcher till everything has been pear reviewed and approved.

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@Txrogers: Shame. I was looking forward to getting a definitive answer.

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But you would be willing to take ivermectin which isn’t approved for human use. Strange logic in my book.

That’s because your logic is combined with a lack of knowledge.

Ivermectin for humans has been approved and used by millions of people for decades.

https://dreddymd.com/2021/09/03/fact-check-the-fda-first-approved-ivermectin-for-humans-back-in-1996/

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ivermectin which isn’t approved for human use.

It it approved for human use, but using it for coronavirus would be off label based on colloquial evidence.

Ivermectin is approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat infections of roundworms and other tiny parasites in humans and animals like cows, horses and dogs. Tablets are used for internal parasites while ointments are used to treat head lice and other skin infections. The generic drug works by paralyzing the worms and killing their offspring.

No skin off my back if someone wants to take this. Since it is a cheap non-patented drug you can expect that the mega-pharma have no incentive to engage in costly clinical studies.

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@Blacklabel: It may be approved for human use, but its not approved for human use to treat Covid-19. @zichi is 100% correct. Parasitic Worms, Scabies and Head Lice do NOT sound like Viruses to me.

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Can any of you very briefly actually tell me how an anti-parasitic drug is a remedy for a virus without directing me to an odd website. 

Ivermectin is thought to interfere with the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein binding with a number of key targets, such as SA binding sites on hemoglobin (reducing the chance of clotting) and ACE2 receptors on lung and heart cells (reducing infection). To avoid odd websites, I recommend you try a google scholar search for papers on this topic.

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the world 'thought' will suffice for me. After almost 2 years of this virus sweeping the globe, not quite enough for me.

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I might add that most of the world does not have access to vaccines or antibody cocktails, but they may have access to cheap generic drugs like this one, especially in generic manufacturing powerhouse India. Many may have no choice but to give this a shot.

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Ivermectin is thought to interfere with the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein

Thought not proven. There is a huge difference...

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What is the plan? Keep getting covid over and over again and treating it with ivermectin? Even if it works as the antivaxxers are saying, it's not going to stop you from getting it again, it's not going to help the world open up again. Are we all supposed to buy ivermectin for the foreseeable future? That seems like a much bigger scam than taking a simple vaccine.

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you speak like people who get the vaccine dont get COVID again.

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all these stories are FAKE. There is no issue at all in liberal media and no consequences for publishing false stories.

What in THIS article is fake? I get that you have an axe to grind, but this is not an article about liberal media conspiracy theories.

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that he might @Blacklabel - But unlike Ivermectin, once he's had his vaccine he almost certainly won't be bothering a hospital as an inpatient.

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Can any of you very briefly actually tell me how an anti-parasitic drug is a remedy for a virus without directing me to an odd website.

You can try reading this paper:

"The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5

Some quotes:

“100% of 36 early treatment and prophylaxis studies report positive effects… using the most serious outcome reported 79% and 85% improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis respectively…Statistically significant improvements were seen for mortality, ventilation, hospitalization, cases, and viral clearance…100% of the 17 Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs) for early treatment and prophylaxis report positive effects, with an estimated improvement of 73% and 83% respectively, and 93% of all 28 RCTs.)… The consistency of positive results across a wide variety of cases has been remarkable. It is extremely unlikely that the observed results could have occurred by chance.”

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oh? vaccinated Jesse Jackson and Oscar De La Hoya had a quite differing opinion.... from their hospital beds.

once he's had his vaccine he almost certainly won't be bothering a hospital as an inpatient.

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its clearly identified even in liberal media.

It’s difficult to know the full extent of “breakthrough” Covid cases because cases in vaccinated people tend to be mild or asymptomatic and could go easily go unnoticed, but figures collected by NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/10/breakthrough-covid-cases-why-fully-vaccinated-people-can-get-covid.html

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By mid-August U.S. pharmacies were filling 88,000 weekly prescriptions for the medication, a 24-fold increase from pre-COVID levels, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 

Who are making the prescriptions?

If these are legit prescriptions then those who are against ivermectin need to convince the doctor's better that it isn't effective

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The human version that the Biden administration forces all refugees to the United States to take.

I hope they do, god only knows what kind of parasites their intestines are full of....

Approved as an anti parasite drug NOT as antiviral drug. There is a huge difference, parasite - virus, virus - parasite, parasite - virus, I hope you can understand the difference!!!

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So - @Raw Beer. The conclusion is, at the end of a very long winded paper is 'could be worthy of attention' Is that all you've got?

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However @Blacklabel:

The Jackson family encouraged all those who have not been vaccinated to get the shots and thanked everyone for their prayers and support, saying, "The love that has been poured out to our family at this time of sickness and need from around the world has helped in our parent's healing."

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There was a press conference in February 2021. Chief of the medical association here in Japan said that we should start using Ivermectin.

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So the unvaccinated represent 90% of those dying, but very few have worms. Well, having worms while dying would be embarrassing.

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A very lame hit piece by the media attack dogs. The pharma companies/vax passport pushers are panicking due to the high-profile Rogan recovery, because they know the mask is slipping (pardon the pun) and more people can see through the propaganda. IVM and other cheap, safe and effective drugs are becoming more easily available and accepted by doctors around the world, which is affecting the take-up rate of the decreasingly effective vaccines and therefore pharma profits and "passport" uptake.

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@John: Pfizer Vaccine is fully approved now in the USA. Keep up Buddy.

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Many people are afraid of the vaccines or have no access.

It's natural that they look for other solutions.

Ivermectin has been used in and by people safely for a long time for treating other conditions so safety has been established.

Until it's proven to be ineffective people will continue using it.

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The problem really is with people who are self medicating

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Tylenol was never authorized to protect against the irritation of braying jackasses.

But it has worked extremely well for decades. Thank goodness.

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@Paul You wrote-Therefore I wouldn't trust a word of a researcher till everything has been pear reviewed and approved. Rather Ivermectin than a vaccine that has been reviewed and approved by a pear! LoL!

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"So the unvaccinated represent 90% of those dying, but very few have worms. Well, having worms while dying would be embarrassing."

The numbers you're using come from the early data when vaccinations just started. They are regurgitated and outdated. Get up to speed.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

Boosters every 3 months until you roll over.

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They are just almost all totally sick and addicted to all available legal and illegal drugs, medications, supplements and the like. Especially in the U.S., but also here in Japan. You can watch a SuperBowl stadium program guide on game day or you can switch on BS television in Japan, no difference, you are bombarded with commercials and spots on anything available on the market, on every page , around the clock. I tell you, if you won’t die from corona then probably from all that crap they want you to ingest.

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The problem really is with people who are self medicating

Yes, and this is happening only because doctors are prevented from doing their job.

Since we're on the topic of self-medication, it's important to note that ivermectin has normally been taken on an empty stomach with lots of water. But this is because it is normally taken for treating intestinal worms.

For Covid-19, the FLCCC recommends taking it with or after a meal.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/

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Boosters every 3 months until you roll over.

Whats wrong with boosters every 3months?

As long as it's effective.

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Yes, and this is happening only because doctors are prevented from doing their job.

How's that possible?

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I suspect they're counting on people not paying much attention to the details and end up believing that all ivermectin is toxic.

Well ivermectin is toxic, so there is nothing to misunderstand

it IS approved for human use.

approval is dependent on use, being approved for one do not mean it can be used for everything else.

its clearly identified even in liberal media

this applies the same to other vaccines, where people end up having a mild fever or no symptoms at all and can only be detected as infected post vaccination with determination of antibody elevations. That is part of what a vaccine is intended to do.

There was a press conference in February 2021. Chief of the medical association here in Japan said that we should start using Ivermectin.

Using old data that have been already surpassed by better one, which means he is not doing the job he is being put to make. The title or degree do not replace scientific evidence.

Yes, and this is happening only because doctors are prevented from doing their job.

Not at all because their jobs require valid evaluation of the scientific literature, which at this point have not the evidence to recommend ivermectin, thus using it in spite of the lack of evidence would mean they would not be doing their jobs.

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Blacklabel

it IS approved for human use.

So is the Pfizer Vaccine, fully approved now in the USA.

But you remain opposed to that?

Ivermectin is not approved for covid.

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please watch this and it’ll give good context to this article...

https://m.theepochtimes.com/part-2-dr-robert-malone-on-ivermectin-escape-mutants-and-the-faulty-logic-of-vaccine-mandates_3981859.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-09-05&est=3ZL6PSsO0lx5ek1zcJ5YEvO3tQPvUcZOlFJfzoyco4t3h9gtvPhz75jPsYXtNQ%2BEruwGN3M7

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Lol a video

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@blacklabel

Im saying the goal of the vaccine is to bring the virus down to a managable level. If ivermectin worked and was approved by real doctors and I got corona, of course I would take it. But you can have everyone in the whole world taking it if they get corona.

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*But you can't** have everyone...

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@Ian Whats wrong with boosters every 3months? As long as it's effective. That would be impossible! Even developed countries couldn't manage it.

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I guess liberals simply cant see how gleefully the liberal media reports that something DOESNT work against COVID. Why such joyful reporting and immediate discrediting of anything but vaccine? Why? because you cant control people who just take a therapeutic IF sick like you can mandate a vaccine.

Then you have people who claim the substance is toxic to humans who take the animal version while not commenting at all on humans who take the human version, which is fine and is prescribed to refugees. Or claiming it is dangerous in dosages 10 or 100 times more than anyone says to take but not commenting on people who take the recommended dosage and are fine. Then the fake stories of everyone overdosing on it and fake stories about calls to poison control centers are up X% as people supposedly misuse it.

How does the same medicine know to cure me if I have worms as a refugee. but kill me if I am taking it to prevent COVID? Sounds like this mysterious "8pm Japan COVID" that infects me if I am in a bar having a drink but spares me if I am on a train returning from work.

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I trust neither the people who "approved" it, nor the people who are trying to force me to take it. not to mention lack of confidence in the approval process, that is was free from political influence.

So is the Pfizer Vaccine, fully approved now in the USA.

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@Ian Whats wrong with boosters every 3months? As long as it's effective. That would be impossible! Even developed countries couldn't manage it.

Well tell that to our friend who suggested it

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Ho Hum. The same old tired arguments by the same boring antivaxers. It must be great living in a world where you are confident that you know better than the scientific community just because you think you know better.

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Then you have people who claim the substance is toxic to humans who take the animal version while not commenting at all on humans who take the human version

What "version" are you talking about? do you think there is a chemical difference? because that is not true, the drug can be extremely toxic and cause even death, and it is exactly the same chemical even when use for animals. There is nothing wrong with saying it is toxic, the same as HCQ that can cause lethal heart problems. Both require medical vigilance to be used.

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the drug can be extremely toxic and cause even death

FFS, even water and oxygen can be toxic depending on the dosage. Saying that something is toxic vs something can be toxic is an important distinction.

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Virus Rex says----Recommending people to use the drug without takin any responsibility for the well know risks is obviously something that can have heavy consequences and can be even illegal. That is why it became so important not to have these (or any other drugs with known toxic properties) to be freely available for people to abuse thanks to irresponsible people that try to push them to use them.

WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VACCINES ?

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Glad to see that japan Today is not deleting posts in the support of Ivermectin. The truth is slowly coming out and many of those who took the jabs will regret what they have done. If you didn't get a sore arm etc. from your jab, you are probably one of the lucky ones who received the placebo. The drug companies include placebos in all vaccine trials.

To those who claim that the Pfizer vaccines have been approved is false. Pfizer was seeking approval for a new vaccine but there will be a problem as they have to list all ingredients with no secrets. Search what is in the vaccines- it is shocking. I could list them all but I think it would get deleted as being off topic.

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The chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association said that 'Now is the time to use Ivermectin'. Are he and his team absolute idiots, or do they have a basis for their recommendation? I would say the latter.

「今こそイベルメクチンを使え」東京都医師会の尾崎治夫会長が語ったその効能

https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/

Merck, the maker of Ivermectin, denied it has efficacy for Covid, then accepted a cool 356million in order to supply a Covid vaccine.

The Merck statement was released on February 4, 2021

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/cabaero-death-blow-ivermectin-100000910.html

Merck signs $356 million U.S. supply deal for its experimental COVID-19 treatment

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-merck-co-idUSKBN28X1FX

The media, big pharma, governments etc are deliberately covering up the effectiveness of medicines such as Ivermectin.

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As Ivermectin has already been proven to be beneficial in killing off Covid-19 and/or its symptoms, I fail to understand how so many vaccine proponents are suddenly armchair experts and speaking in support of untested vaccines, against a solution that clearly works. If you're so sure it doesn't work, take one you think does. You do you and let people make their own informed decisions!

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Ho Hum. The same old tired arguments by the same boring antivaxers. It must be great living in a world where you are confident that you know better than the scientific community just because you think you know better.

Ironic you would say that whilst ignoring the scientific community that speaks out against the experimental covid vaccines and in favor of Ivermectin. Or are you just choosing to be one sided?

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I am strongly advocating that you get your vaccine booster. As I deal with a seemingless endless blight of intestinal worms.

seems like covid is the least of your worries, well until you catch it unvaccinated anyways

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Ironic you would say that whilst ignoring the scientific community that speaks out against the experimental covid vaccines and in favor of Ivermectin. Or are you just choosing to be one sided?

show me one scientific peer reviewed journal or study that shows Ivermectin is more effective than the covid vaccines? Even the producer of the drug Ivermectin made a statement not supporting the use of the drug as a treatment for covid

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ivermectin-idUSKBN2BN2HH

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/08/ivermectin-covid-drug/

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The chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association said that 'Now is the time to use Ivermectin'. Are he and his team absolute idiots, or do they have a basis for their recommendation? I would say the latter.

False dichotomy, HE doesn't have any more basis than the rest of the world, he is just not good at evaluating it, which is sad from a medical professional but understandable as he is not a scientist. He is simply at least half a year behind the science that heavily indicates ivermectin is not useful against COVID.

Merck, the maker of Ivermectin, denied it has efficacy for Covid, then accepted a cool 356million in order to supply a Covid vaccine.

And how about other laboratories that also produce ivermectin, also denied it has efficacy but are not producing any vaccine? they prove your argument false, so hiding their existance is not something honest to do.

The truth is slowly coming out and many of those who took the jabs will regret what they have done

Sure, sure, all the predictions about huge disasters and millions of deaths because of the vaccines failed to happen, this is just the new excuse people are trying to use to supposedly be right this time, even when they have not been in the past.

To those who claim that the Pfizer vaccines have been approved is false.

Well, the authorities in charge of vaccines are the ones that claim it, somehow you contradicting them without any evidence doesn't hold the same weight.

WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VACCINES ?

See the news, the scientific journals, the reports from hospitals, are the people recommending the vaccines just nameless people on the street? no they are not, they are the experts and professionals treating the disease, they of course can recommend vaccines because that is their role. Nameless people contradicting them on the other hand do not have that authority.

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