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How WHO could fight future pandemics

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You have to consider also how much the lockdowns lessened the direct deaths not just it's contribution to indirect deaths.

Must be there in your source somewhere or it should be

Just saying

With more deaths indirectly associated to COVID than COVID itself, I highly doubt that the lockdowns lessened the direct COVID deaths by roughly 8.3 million especially when COVID has roughly a 99.6% survival rate. Also, if the majority of people were vaccinated and "supposedly" protected against COVID then why is there need for lockdowns?

To me, there should be no lockdowns. If people are worried about COVID, then take precautions, stay home more, or take the vaccines if you believe they work. But, don't lockdown the world, it is way too much government overreach, caused more problems, and deaths.

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Ideally, Chinese government should pay compensation to all the loss caused by the current pandemic. So that next time they will be open for investigation and cooperation.

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Pretending health authorities to recommend things based on inexistent evidence makes no sense, the evidence must come first, else why not recommend anything and everything?

And this approach proved itself wrong. The correct one was obviously to recommend max measures and restrictions until there is evidence of its inefficiency. Did WHO took any responsibility or corrected its future response drill? Anyone resigned?

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I will not listen to the WHO until it stops kowtowing to China and lets Taiwan in:

If that's how you look at it then you cant listen to the UN also.

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However, many of hospitals were only working at a fraction of capacity because of the worldwide government-led lockdowns. So, it really looks like the lockdowns caused all the excess deaths. I think the WHO and globalist policies created more problems then they solved during COVID.

You have to consider also how much the lockdowns lessened the direct deaths not just it's contribution to indirect deaths.

Must be there in your source somewhere or it should be

Just saying

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This is the scientifically sound and right thing to do .!. Get ahead and be prepared for the next time.!. Had the worlds leaders put lives over money 1st, and entire worldwide lockdown would’ve been implemented from the beginning.!. Saving millions of lives.!. Stopping the spread immediately.!. Worldwide travel should’ve been stopped… every country should have locked their borders ! 6 weeks would’ve done the trick .!. Instead , here we are 3 plus years later and XBB is still raging wild .!.

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In Tedros we trust .!. .!. .!. No questions allowed .!. .!. .!.

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According to WHO, there was 14.9 million excess deaths directly and indirectly related COVID. About 6.6 million worldwide died directly from COVID at the time the data was taken. So, that means roughly 8.3 million excess deaths indirectly died from other causes. According to WHO, they died because they could not get normal healthcare by overburdened hospitals. However, many of hospitals were only working at a fraction of capacity because of the worldwide government-led lockdowns. So, it really looks like the lockdowns caused all the excess deaths. I think the WHO and globalist policies created more problems then they solved during COVID.

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-05-2022-14.9-million-excess-deaths-were-associated-with-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-2020-and-2021#:~:text=14.9%20million%20excess%20deaths%20associated,pandemic%20in%202020%20and%202021

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I have mentioned this before, but.....

My Mom lived in an apartment with her parents in New York City during the pandemic of 1918-1920. When I was young and living at home, she told me many times about the horrible things she saw during that plague. It was upsetting for me to hear what she said, and I imagine it was much worse for her to remember those times. She told me about neighbor's families being wiped out, and bodies being left on the sidewalk to be picked up by a horse drawn wagon for mass burials. Many times while growing up, I thought to myself, "Well, at least we will never see another pandemic like that one in my life!" Boy, was I wrong. Lines of refrigerated trailers holding bodies replaced the horse drawn wagons, but that is small comfort.

I do think that our response in 2020-2022 was, in general, better than the response in 1918-1920. Those poor folks never did develop a vaccine, and they didn't have any way to save the ill who could have been saved with more modern technology.

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More mind programming talks and sleep deprivation. Embrace yourselves for another global cataclysm.

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Need some McCarthy .!. .!. .!.

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I recall the WHO telling people not to wear masks at the start of the pandemic because 'there was no evidence to suggest masks could help stop coronavirus spreading'. From that point on I have had no faith in them whatsoever.

100% true, as per below:

WHO stands by recommendation to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html

the WHO says Beijing is still withholding clinical data from early cases

We all recall the WHO lauding China for its transparency:

WHO Praises China as Country That Deserves 'Gratitude and Respect'

https://www.newsweek.com/who-praises-china-country-that-deserves-gratitude-respect-some-question-coronavirus-1484716

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But now I am reevaluating everything I thought and think.

Without actual evidence to sustain those believes this only shows a change in personal preferences and bias, not a real argument against something.

The WHO is unelected, I didn't vote for them and if you think they actually care about people, you should think again.

What part of the recommendations and strategies can you demonstrate go against the best available scientific evidence at the time? Their role is not to push for popular measures but for what can be demonstrated scientifically as the best between all the available options. Science is not something that gets decided by vote but by evidence. Without that your criticism has not value, you reject something that is done scientifically, and unable to refute this scientific truth you want to make an appeal to be left to do the objectively worse thing even if that means increasing the risk for future pandemics to be more damaging than covid was.

Personal unrelated reasons do nothing to support that criticism either, for that you need to demonstrate the current situation would be better for the inevitable next time a pandemic happens.

I recall the WHO telling people not to wear masks at the start of the pandemic because 'there was no evidence to suggest masks could help stop coronavirus spreading'. From that point on I have had no faith in them whatsoever.

The WHO was not alone on this, every other international public health organization shared the same recommendation because the evidence was simply not there, the only evidence available was about their use in hospitals and for symptomatic patients.

Pretending health authorities to recommend things based on inexistent evidence makes no sense, the evidence must come first, else why not recommend anything and everything?

And I doubt people will be so passive to government diktats the next time, as we are well aware that they will be cheerfully partying and breaking them behind closed doors.

That is an argument as powerful as the people that refuse to have a healthy lifestyle and diet because their doctor is overweight or diabetic. One thing is to demand people in power are subjected to effective measures the same as everybody else, another completely different is to think ignoring those proven effective measures would not have a huge negative effect on everybody's situation.

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I recall the WHO telling people not to wear masks at the start of the pandemic because 'there was no evidence to suggest masks could help stop coronavirus spreading'. From that point on I have had no faith in them whatsoever.

And I doubt people will be so passive to government diktats the next time, as we are well aware that they will be cheerfully partying and breaking them behind closed doors.

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virusrex

Today 08:30 am JST

The WHO is unelected, I didn't vote for them and if you think they actually care about people, you should think again.

Best example of how these agreements work in reality.

The Hague convention on the rights of children, seem it was to protect children, but in reality it more often cause children more harm.

In order to "protect" my children under the Hague convention I was refuse the right to return to my country where I had family support, instead they had to remain here for years in poverty because a single Gaijin father couldn't even secure a lease. The reaction of my country was "it is for their protection and there is nothing we can do this is the agreement we made" (note at the time Japan was not part3of the Hague convention). So based not on my country's rules, not based on Japan's custody laws but based on rules set by an unelected organizations my life and that of my children became very difficult and a daily struggle.

This is how these things actually end up going,

Some involved may actually want or believe it is a good thing but in the end it will be used as a way for authoritarian rule.

Be very careful how much power you give to the unelected as weill as those you do elect.

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I have a lot of acquaintances that believe the conspiracy of the coming new world order, I used to think they were nuts.

But now I am reevaluating everything I thought and think.

More and more power is going to unelected organizations "Newspeak" where word no longer mean what they are meant to mean where language is censored, lockdowns, legalization of drungs and the societal collapse that goes with it, etc...

We maintain the facade of elected government but behind these agreements bind the people to the orders of a powerful unelected authority!

I have seen firsthand what these types of binding agreements can do, with been not permitted to return with my children to my country all based on the Hague convention that at the time Japan refused to join but my country enforced.

Be very worried,

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Start out by not believing anything that comes out of an autocracy.

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Who in their right mind would follow the nonsense that these buffoons want?

You mean apart from all the different national and international public health authorities that follow the WHO recommendations and routinely collaborate with it?

 The mess up made with Covid is tragic with so many lives destroyed by their bizarre ideas.

The "bizzare ideas" you keep trying to say are wrong like vaccination saving lives and masks and other measures reducing spreading? they have been confirmed as effective and beneficial except for very few people with antiscientific bias that make them unable to accept things proved scientifically.

They even wouldn’t look into properly the origin of Covid in fear of upsetting China who give them plenty of dough, usual story.

You have a terribly wrong idea of what a global medical authority is, and what it can do. If countries with literal armies can't make China do anything they don't want, what do you expect the WHO to do to force them into collaboration?

They also gave false info into the deadliness of Covid which scared people saying the death rate was 2.5% when it was in fact under one percent and that’s for the first variant without vaccines and 0.001% for under 70’s. The data was out there mid 2020 and was nit revealed.

Reference needed for this claim. Specifically with scientific data disproving a declaration available at the time it was made. Pretending for any medical institution to have time machines available so they would use the best evidence that would be accessible in the future is not a rational idea, the only realistic option is to act according to what is available at the time.

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way way way too much centralization of power. this will not end well.

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Who in their right mind would follow the nonsense that these buffoons want? The mess up made with Covid is tragic with so many lives destroyed by their bizarre ideas.

They even wouldn’t look into properly the origin of Covid in fear of upsetting China who give them plenty of dough, usual story.

They also gave false info into the deadliness of Covid which scared people saying the death rate was 2.5% when it was in fact under one percent and that’s for the first variant without vaccines and 0.001% for under 70’s. The data was out there mid 2020 and was nit revealed.

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