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How many people might die, and why, as China loosens COVID restrictions

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This is a huge failure on the part of the government of China, safe and effective vaccination has been available already for a long time, but for the CCP it never became a priority because lockdowns are much more useful to keep the population under control (just not as much as they wished as proved recently).

Rejecting the scientific and medical advice from global experts may put the population at a huge risk, but there is still time for the CCP to do the right thing and ramp up vaccination and booster using the best available vaccines to defeat the hesitancy of the population against being immunized.

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As of Friday, China reported 5,233 COVID-related deaths and 331,952 cases with symptoms.

I have sincere doubts about that. These figures come from the people that only recently were saying that the rest of the world was going through Covid hell and citizens should consider themselves lucky to live in China where they were being kept safe. Lucky indeed that the televised World Cup called a lie on that.

But It seems that the chicken is coming home to roost. I suppose we can expect more lockdowns, and more lies about numbers, but considering that the party seems to be wanting to please the the masses, lockdowns and restrictions will be less ferocious. And won't be tolerated by a worn-out public

So who said "These new protests won't get too far."? Only the out of touch of reality minority. Protests have gone far enough to make a drastic change for the better from only two weeks ago.

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A huge success by China.

Now that China used the best strategy to keep covid infections and deaths lowest in the world at the advice of global experts, the countries which saw failures in their strategies such as Australia, and New Zealand, which went into recessions and had some of the highest infection and deaths rates in the world, want to criticize China.

But they need to look at themselves and why their strategies failed. Which is what we saw NZ is doing as of two days ago.

Well done China.

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China failed with its covid zero policy over three years. Impossible to believe or accept any of the data from the government. Millions are dead from covid and the prison-like lock-ins.

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But they need to look at themselves and why their strategies failed

Indeed. Well said PK. Hopefully China can learn from their mistakes. Well done China!

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The result of the protests.

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After England incurred the highest death rates in Europe, no one will listen to their opinions.

I didn’t see England mentioned in the article. It’s odd you have such a fascination with the place.

Since you’re keen to discuss it, a simple question for you. I’m sure you know the answer; Which country had a higher death rate, the UK or the USA?

A little background reading if you need some pointers:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/01/science/covid-deaths-united-states.html

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A huge success by China.

Failing to protect the population while unnecessarily persist on a highly inefficient strategy that causes ruin, deaths and degradation of human rights instead of the best approach according to the scientific consensus (vaccination and health services strengthening to limit the risk from covid) is not congruent with calling it a success, for China it would be the opposite.

If anything is a success for the CCP against China, because it manipulated the pandemic so they could reinforce their control of the population representing a huge loss of freedoms that was not even necessary to prevent deaths.

the countries which saw failures in their strategies such as Australia, and New Zealand, which went into recessions and had some of the highest infection and deaths rates in the world, want to criticize China.

The experts of the world that use the best examples of pandemic control are the ones criticizing the Chinese policy, and they have these examples to prove they are right.

Also, since you have provided no reference that says the pandemic is the only factor that affect the economy of the different countries then your claim that it is solely responsible for their differences can still be consdiered false.

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Bob FosseToday  08:59 am JST

I didn’t see England mentioned in the article.

But you saw it in my comment.

It’s odd you have such a fascination with the place. 

A comment on Covid in UK is a fascination to you?

Since you’re keen to discuss it, a simple question for you. I’m sure you know the answer; Which country had a higher death rate, the UK or the USA?

You don't know the answer? I haven't looked it up, but I would say there is little statistical difference between the two, but both have a significantly higher rate than China---as I'm sure you already knew.

Failing to protect the population while unnecessarily persist on a highly inefficient strategy that causes ruin, deaths and degradation of human rights instead of the best approach according to the scientific consensus (vaccination and health services strengthening to limit the risk from covid) is not congruent with calling it a success, for China it would be the opposite.

14 million deaths worldwide shows a failure of those countries; of which China is not one of.

The experts of the world that use the best examples of pandemic control are the ones criticizing the Chinese policy, and they have these examples to prove they are right.

The experts who advocated strategy for the best results in China are more reliable as to what was the best approach,

Also, since you have provided no reference that says the pandemic is the only factor that affect the economy of the different countries then your claim that it is solely responsible for their differences can still be consdiered false.

Basic fallacy,

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14 million deaths worldwide shows a failure of those countries; of which China is not one of.

That argument makes no sense, not every country had millions of death, so generalizing the global numbers towards every single country (except China) obviously is irrational. As you yourself conceded countries like Sweden had "excellent points" by replacing the failed Chinese strategy with a much better supported focus on protecting from the risks of covid.

The experts who advocated strategy for the best results in China are more reliable as to what was the best approach,

You keep making an appeal to supposed global experts that advocate for the Chinese policy in 2022, but have been unable to bring even one of them, at this point it is safe to conclude they do not exist and are just a baseless appeal to authority for something that is just your personal opinion.

Basic fallacy,

Yes, taking a single factor and pretending is the only one as you have done is a basic fallacy, now that you recognize this it should follow that you refrain from trying it again, unless of course your intention is to misrepresent the situation on purpose.

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China is the country where the covid pandemic started from. Wuhan market was the epicenter of the pandemic’s start, studies suggest.

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Xi miscalculated thinking the people would accept his oppression.

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Why does everyone assume Mainland China has been sheltered from COVID for 3 years? I’m sure they have had their fair share of cases, strains and deaths already. If you’ve been watching what’s been available on China for the past couple of years. you’d have seen that implementation of zero covid, in practice, has been a rolling wave of super-spreader events. A break out in Beijing/Shanghai/Guandong? OK. lock down a few million people at a time and cage them in still-huge clusters, isolate thousands of close contacts on buses and cram them into shelters, make everyone else gather in huge crowds daily for tests… then report 200 cases…

i’m not saying the CCP intended to spread COVID, I’m just saying they weren’t preventing it’s spread and they weren’t reporting anything.

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but both have a significantly higher rate than China---as I'm sure you already knew.

Chinas numbers are fiddled. Fact.

14 million deaths worldwide shows a failure of those countries

No. That number is made up for sure. And it's you projecting yourself. Pretty much everywhere has moved on and can deal with sudden changes. China can't absorb a few predicted protests for reasons we all know. The fun is just starting with their "new" strategy.

Chinas economy is a mess at all levels. Civil unrest and human rights abuse normal in the name of saving people, while alternatives that they have quickly adopted have always been available. Too many hands in pots of money preventing proper and speedy change. A serious, serious failure in reading the situation all round.

Other countries have succeeded in living with the virus LONG AGO. China is just starting. Lucky protests brought this change that some people said would not happen. That's another failure. People believing in baloney

Painful as it is, we all can't ignore this.

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Rather than locking everyone up, they should encourage them to go out in the sun and exercise, eat right, and hand out vitamin D supplements...

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From shortly after their introduction, it was known that the Chinese vaccines were not nearly as effective as their Western counterparts. Although readily available to the Chinese labs for production, Xi insists on using the inferior domestic vaccines.

It isn't that the Western vaccines are 100% effective, but that they are much more reliable than the Chinese vaccines. In a perfect world, Xi would use his dictatorial powers for the benefit of the Chinese people.

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Rather than locking everyone up, they should encourage them to go out in the sun and exercise, eat right, and hand out vitamin D supplements...

Nice one Doc. You forgot to mention vaccines.

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China is going to be fine.

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