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Highly mutated COVID variant found in more countries

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There is no evidence yet that it is causing more severe illness.

That has been reported a few times, which is a relief. Thanks to the efforts people made in the early stages of the pandemic, you see.

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It’s not even a problem now for anyone in good health

New Pfizer booster out in a few weeks, Pfizer executive’s already been shilling it on US News outlets.

Masks mandates restarted in some US College’s , fear mongering is back.

The reason it is so mild is that is what happens to viruses after a while, they evolve to survive. No good killing all your hosts. Basic science 101, learnt at school.

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Good thing the "experts" changed the definition of fully vaccinated from having 2 shots to having taken a shot within the last 6 months.

Any reference for this claim? because everywhere it is still very clear that two doses still increase the protection much more than a single one. That would completely contradict your claim.

Fully vaccinated is less meaningful than "up to date" in the vaccination, but it is not meaningless, it still means the person developed immunity to a degree enough to reduce the risk from covid to background levels, only antivaxxer propaganda groups are still misrepresenting the whole thing.

It’s not even a problem now for anyone in good health

To some it still is, but much less if they have immunity, the safest way to do that is with vaccinations.

Masks mandates restarted in some US College’s , fear mongering is back.

You keep calling sensible measures and opportune warnings fear mongering, it is better to understand that rational people do not feel fear from those, only those with irrational antiscientific bias are scared of information.

The reason it is so mild is that is what happens to viruses after a while, they evolve to survive. No good killing all your hosts. Basic science 101, learnt at school.

You really need to re-read that basic science. How less lethal has Rabies become lately? it has been infecting people since forever, according to you that is enough to "evolve to survive" right?

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ThubanToday  07:26 am JST

although the variant may be more capable of causing infection in vaccinated people

Good thing the "experts" changed the definition of fully vaccinated from having 2 shots to having taken a shot within the last 6 months.

Otherwise people who were "fully vaccinated" in 2021 might be under the false impression that the word "fully" carried any meaning.

We're not out of the woods yet. We need to keep diligent and still be careful, esp. since flu season is approaching with the coming fall. My uncle caught CoVid and was laid up for two weeks, the vaccines work. A co-employee I know also is recovering too. Bruce Springsteen's tour has been dogged by himself and his fellow E Streeters getting sick from it. He's had to cancel two dates in Philadelphia this month due to that. And a few second cousins of mine got RSV as well. Next month when my VA clinic starts giving out vaxx shots to my age group I will get #6. I learned enough from my stats classes in college you don't want to plays risky games with this.

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Kerkhove noted that vaccines have been better at preventing severe illness and death than re-infection.

I very much doubt this is true, especially with this highly mutated strain.

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Rabies is an anomaly, chosen by you to be dishonest.

No, it is not, it is proof that viruses do not "need" to become less lethal as you mistakenly thought, the same can be said about pox, dengue, yellow fever, etc. As lethal now as in the time of the pyramids, it is medical science what makes them less lethal, not evolution.

Your claim that the virus had no other way to develop but to become milder was easily disproved, this was a possibility, not something certain as you tried to misrepresent.

I very much doubt this is true, especially with this highly mutated strain.

Believing things in absence of evidence, or even in spite of contrary evidence is not a rational position to take.

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Wicks Pencil

Your are correct

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(22)00287-7/fulltext

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Nice cherry picking Roy. yet I was replying to Wick who says natural immunity offer better protection than vaccines, as the study clearly showed.

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Previous natural infection was associated with lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection, regardless of the variant, than mRNA primary-series vaccination

Thats the findings after studying the data, not anyone’s opinion.

The facts that go against our beliefs at be hard to swallow but should be accepted.

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Roy

The initial discussion was about whether natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccines, which it does. Whether you need to be sick or not is irrelevant.

Are any of you disputing natural immunity is less than vaccines? If so provide evidence or stop going off topic with your agenda.

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The facts that go against our beliefs at be hard to swallow but should be accepted.

That still contradicts your claim, the vaccines are the best way of gaining immunity, precisely because you don't have to get the full risks of infection first to get that protection.

Or again, as your source clearly says

Natural infection can lead to COVID-19-related hospitalisation and death at the time of primary infection, and long COVID-19 after the infection, which are risks not present with vaccination.

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The initial discussion was about whether natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccines, which it does. Whether you need to be sick or not is irrelevant.

The opposite, it is totally relevant because that is what you want immunity for in the first place.

Your claim is like saying that losing your hand is a better way to avoid hand injuries because that makes it impossible to injure that hand anymore. This would be a very effective way to avoid the problems in the future, but in no way the better way, because it completely defeats the purpose of avoiding injuries in the first place.

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virusrex

Never said anything about the effects of prior infection, just that it is stronger than vaccines, something that you claimed was false in your comments regarding this article.

I’m not suggesting people don’t are vaccines just stating facts, I have no agenda regarding these matters.

The study proves the point.

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The sky is falling!! Another variant is sweeping the planet!! Get more shots!! Wear a body condom!! Live in a plastic bubble!!

;€}

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Never said anything about the effects of prior infection, just that it is stronger than vaccines

Your claim is that it is better, that means preferable, which is definitely not the case. For the purpose of obtaining immunity vaccines are the better option, because they produce immunity without the risks from the infection. That is what "better" would mean.

The sky is falling!! Another variant is sweeping the planet!! Get more shots!! Wear a body condom!! Live in a plastic bubble!!

What part of the article gave this impression to you? was it the part where no higher risk have been found from it? or the part where the current levels of immunity make new variants much less risky than at the beginning of the pandemic?

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A highly mutated COVID variant called BA.2.86 has now been detected in Switzerland and South Africa in addition to Israel, Denmark, the U.S. and the UK, according to a leading World Health Organization official.

No worries. Business as usual.

"Vaccination remains the safest and most optimal tool for protecting against infection and COVID-19-related hospitalisation and death, irrespective of previous infection status."

No. Not being exposed to Covid 19 offers the best protection against getting infected.

Never said anything about the effects of prior infection, just that it is stronger than vaccines, something that you claimed was false in your comments regarding this article.

Excellent point.

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Natural infection can lead to COVID-19-related hospitalisation and death at the time of primary infection, and long COVID-19 after the infection, which are risks not present with vaccination."

Those risks are certainly present with vaccination. For anyone below 50 or so, the risks are in fact higher with vaccination. There have been several peer reviewed studies that have shown that the number of shots needed to prevent one hospitalization results in several hospitalizations; same thing with deaths.

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No. Not being exposed to Covid 19 offers the best protection against getting infected.

Not being exposed is a not the best protection the moment it requires extremely unpractical measures to be reached. The quoted part of the scientific study you are trying to ignore is the "most optimal tool" which means people can lead relatively normal lives and still their risk would not be above background levels.

Excellent point

Easily disproved by the argument that "better" can't apply to something that is objectively worse precisely because it requires being subjected to unnecessary risks.

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The sky is falling!! Another variant is sweeping the planet!! Get more shots!! Wear a body condom!! Live in a plastic bubble!!

You can, if you like.

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The sky is falling!! Another variant is sweeping the planet!! Get more shots!! Wear a body condom!! Live in a plastic bubble!!

Indeed. But this new BS24.7 variant does not worry me at all.

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*Those risks are certainly present with vaccination*

No, they are not. This claim is not supported by the medical science community consensus, it is just empty propaganda from antivaxxer groups that have no evidence to support it.

For anyone below 50 or so, the risks are in fact higher with vaccination

No, they are not, no medical institution of the world supports this mistaken claim.

There have been several peer reviewed studies that have shown that the number of shots needed to prevent one hospitalization results in several hospitalizations; same thing with deaths.

No there is no such study, there are studies that have been misrepresented by antivaxxer propaganda groups that try to mislead people into thinking any and all kind of health problems after vaccination are because of the vaccines, even when no possible relationship is there, and then compare these health problems only with the hospitalizations directly prevented by the vaccines while hiding the much greater role the vaccines have by preventing hospitalizations and deaths by decreasing transmission in a well vaccinated population.

Indeed. But this new BS24.7 variant does not worry me at all.

The problem is that you have made this claim for all variants of the virus so far, no matter that they have caused literally millions of deaths.

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Those risks are certainly present with vaccination

No, they are not. This claim is not supported by the medical science community consensus, it is just empty propaganda from antivaxxer groups that have no evidence to support it.

What?! The risks are acknowledged by both sides. They are present.

Though the pharma side will never admit the risks are greater with the shots than with the virus, they do acknowledge they have a risk of "hospitalisation and death".

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What?! The risks are acknowledged by both sides. They are present.

The quote you used mentions long covid, this is not "acknowledged" because there is no evidence to prove it. Hospitalization is hugely more likely for the infection than for the vaccines, while there is active transmission of the pathogen vaccines do reduce that risk.

Though the pharma side will never admit the risks are greater with the shots than with the virus

Misrepresenting the position of every single respected institution of science in the whole world as if it was something exclusively held by pharma companies completely discredits your point. That would be like someone saying antibiotics being useful against bacterial infection is just "the pharma side" of the issue.

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I currently know of a country in particular that has more actual hospitalizations FROM Covid than ever … that’s right here in Japan .!. This isn’t just some hyperbole…. Every prefecture currently has more patients FROM COVID that at any point!

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Just ready for 2024, how convenient!

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Immunity from more pharma products?

Surely, someone is jesting!

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Is it number 7 or number 8 now?

I can’t keep count

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The reason it is so mild is that is what happens to viruses after a while, they evolve to survive. No good killing all your hosts. Basic science 101, learnt at school.

Perhaps it's in lesson 102 where we learn that viruses have no plans. They evolve at random. Those variations that cause least harm to their hosts are most likely to spread. But they may cause serious harm to a small percentage of their hosts. And they can evolve again.

Influenza has been around for ages and it still causes problems for many. Should we expect covid to be any different? One of the biggest problems is the number of hospitalizations. Apart from the effect on those people suffering directly, it also puts a strain on health services and those waiting for treatment for other problems have to wait longer. For those most at risk (e.g. oldies), I'd say it's best to get vaccinated. I don't want to take up a hospital bed if it delays one of my kids from getting treatment for something else.

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I think I will do the same for this variant as I have all the others and the same with any other virus.

After 3.5 years, have been infected and exposed and developed some immunity -

Nothing else to be done now really but ride this one out too.

Let's hope it doesn't affect my life and others, especially children, like the other waves unfortunately have.

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I posted this from the beginning and I will post it again before this gets shut down. Covid is a virus you can not kill a virus. Covid is here to stay and it is not going anywhere!

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Not getting the vax. I don’t care how many variants come out and how much people seethe about it, I’m simply not getting it

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Viruses are not alive to be killed.

They can only be destroyed

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Covid is a virus you can not kill a virus.

Yes you can (eradicate them) much easier if they are only transmitted by a single host but definitely possible.

Viruses are not alive to be killed.

They can only be destroyed

It is just a common figure of speech, like antibodies "recognizing" a virus or how there is "a race" between the immune system and the infection. Viruses can also be neutralized or inactivated, which lets them keep their structure (not destroyed) but lose their infectivity.

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Roy SophveasonAug. 28  09:23 am JST

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(22)00287-7/fulltext

"Vaccination remains the safest and most optimal tool for protecting against infection and COVID-19-related hospitalisation and death, irrespective of previous infection status."

We're better off now than we were in early 2020 when the pandemic engulfed the globe. Yet we still have to careful and listen to what the professionals say about it.

finally richAug. 28  01:01 pm JST

Just ready for 2024, how convenient!

This IS NOT a matter of elections and/or politics and it never was or will be. CoVid-19 is everybody's fight all over the world. However, even with the death rate being about 3%, the reason that over 2 million have died in America is twofold:

Lies, misinformation from idiots and gross irresponsibility from an egomaniacal Nero.

The violence and unrest that said Nero stirred up, and his hate group sheep.

In January 2021 Joe Biden gave a televised address from the Oval Office talking about the virus and not denying it. He also told the public what we need to do about this still going crisis, like ANY POTUS could've/would've/should've no matter what party they may be in. The rest is up to us as individuals. We're going to beat this one, but it's going to take time.

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I agree with Steven McCarthy! His comment states, “this isn’t just some hyperbole!” All the testing and development of COVID 19 inoculations are based off of intel data secured from the early onset deaths and data secured from COVID 19. To say a variant such as BA.2.86 is being ‘monitored’ is merit less. Exactly HOW are you testing and monitoring for it specifically. The testing that exists in COVID-19 testings were and are for COVID 19 infections.

Are you in possession of some NEW batch of vaccinations or testing kits specifically targeted & designed to prevent BA.2.86 from spreading? Specifically designed to treat BA.2.86 positive symptomatic patients? Utilizing medications and testing kits that were formulated to stop the spread of COVID 19 is just adding fuel to the fire. Quite frankly, it merely validates a highly successful very effective western “Big-PHARMA marketing campaign” but unfortunately not a very proficient or effective health care directive for suffering patients. When this BA.2.86 variants evolves into an even more deadlier variant, than the former COVID 19 virus, someone will step up to verify that treating a diagnosis of BA.2.86 affliction with the COVID treatment and medications is just not effective. Stave off BA.2.86 from turning into yet the next deadly variant. How so? Continue to scrub wash your hands, wear masks, stop spreads by separating the infected population from the healthy. Throughly clean surfaces constantly. If you are sick stay home and don’t pollute the environment with your coughs and germs.

Soon, healthcare will begin to understand. Utilize this is an analogy: You cannot use a Tetnus vaccine or Tetnus test to detect or stop COVID-19. So why are we to believe a COVID test or a COVID vaccination or any medications developed for COVID will be effective to treat a patient who has contracted BA.2.86? It’s almost as if Science is being ignored and “Big PHARMA” is cashing in on the ineffective methods solely to pay for their rushed developed drug treatments that have lucratively increased their bottom lines. Stay safe, stay healthy, buy Moderna & Pfizer stock.

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