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In U.S., vaccine denial goes mainstream

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Perhaps too much information online can be a bad thing.

I've read a lot of information arguing against getting vaccinated and it looks like it's convincing more people not to.

Maybe I'm old school but I think getting immunized is important and has helped greatly in keeping people healthy and alive.

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Maybe I'm old school but I think getting immunized is important and has helped greatly in keeping people healthy and alive.

That's not old school, that's called being not stupid enough to get sucked into a bunch of facebook blurbs by other people too stupid for their own good. There isn't a disease prevention scientist out there that agrees with not getting vaccinated.

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Idiots. The lot of the anti-vaccination crowd.

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“Doctors don’t know everything,” said the 42-year-old recruiter

But they know a good deal more than an ignoramus recruiter.

When the children of these dunces fall ill with whatever diseases they have not been vaccinated against do they take them to a doctor for treatment, or do they just sit around watching nature take its course?

In some places schools will not allow unvaccinated children to attend; maybe that should be more widespread.

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The mother with a law degree refuses to get her child vaccinated against polio? That is hard for me to understand. I am old enough to remember when the polio vaccine first came out, and the lines to get vaccinated went around the block. I would not wish polio on my worst enemy.

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NY measels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9sSR8iAJ4M (90% of infected were vaccinated)

=You best immunity is the one you inherit from your parent(s). Thank them for that.

HPV vaccination has been banned in some countries (India et al). In Japan they have withdrawn support and/or the recommendation of this "Vaccine".

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201306150057

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The article says " Two in three working age adults refuse to get the annual flu vaccine and the same proportion of parents decline the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine for young adolescents". This shows the credibility problem that the authorities have regarding this issue. Using the media to suppress the voices of the 2/3rds of the population who mistrust what they are being told, and instead belittling and insulting them while demanding their compliance is not helpful. Such an attitude is part and parcel of the insistence of ordinary Americans on their right to own guns to protect themselves from such perceived intrusions on their liberty!

In a court of law decisions are based on evidence that is vigorously challenged and evaluated by an impartial jury of ordinary people. I think that if factual evidence from sufficient research, properly conducted and evaluated by impartial independent scientists, showing the actual incidence of side-effects from measles, compared to side effects from the vaccine, was presented by the media, there would be much greater acceptance of the observed results by the general population. However I don't think this will happen without revolutionary change that restores democracy by making corporations and politicians and bureaucrats serve all of the people and the highest purpose for our planet, rather than just the selfish interests of the wealthiest few.

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Not every vaccination is useful (e.g. flu vaccination), but the standard vaccination list has saved many peoples lives over the last century. But it's been a long time since those vaccinations were introduced, so people are starting to forget their importance. Distrusting the government is healthy, but certainly not in this case...

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Well, thats what you get when you have "Big Pharma" trying to sell you all kind of new stuff. Its more and more difficult to distinguish for ordinary people between useful medicines and useless ones. And in the States, there seems to be many people who believe that Cancer medicines are to prolong and not cure, for the financial benefit of those big companies.

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There is a lot of fear, hype, and politics that has polarized the issue of vaccine that you're either pro-vaccine, or you're anti-vaccine. Public health officials have long insisted that vaccines are the best way to protect the public health. However, it is incomplete science which has shaped the American vaccination program policies therefore the truth is we don't know. In other words no one has formally and independently studied the health outcomes of vaccinated verses unvaccinated children, and this is something that needs to be done not just for each individual vaccine, but also for multiple vaccine combinations. Thus the research is incomplete, and that is the major problem. In the end the certainty is not scientific and the safety of vaccine policies are primarily based on the word of those who produce and may benefit from vaccines and enjoy liability shield from vaccine injury lawsuits in civil courts that was given to them by Congress and the Supreme Court.

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http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

Get the measles vaccine, and you won’t get the measles—or give it to anyone else. Right? Well, not always. A person fully vaccinated against measles has contracted the disease and passed it on to others. The startling case study contradicts received wisdom about the vaccine and suggests that a recent swell of measles outbreaks in developed nations could mean more illnesses even among the vaccinated.

The quote above is very misleading slant against anti-vaccination since the article is well done. Very good article that people should read. General slant of the article is that people need more vaccinations/boosters = sort of like the yearly flu vaccinations that are being pushed now.

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@wipeout,

There`s also a recent increase in measles returning in individuals who have had the shot. Reported.

My question would be Why are the number of shots increasing? You should always be skeptical of government endorsed rhetoric.

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This is a bit lost on the me-me-me types, but exercising a "right" not to be vaccinated has a detrimental effect on the general health of the population,

The Amish (USA) generally to not get vaccinations and have the lowest rates for autism. You must take into consideration that they eat way healthier also.

http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/e.4.pdf

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To Wipeout - absence of evidence, is not necessarily evidence of absence. The research could be insufficient, improperly done, or biased. If such is the case, a claim one way or the other is not meaningless, rather it is a possibility that needs further investigative research to answer.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/08/mumps.outbreak.northeast/

Two logical opinions of 2010 NY/NJ Mumps outbreak:

Ocean County, New Jersey, county spokeswoman Leslie Terjesen:

Anyone fully vaccinated from mumps receives two doses of the vaccine, according to the CDC. Of the New Jersey cases, 77 percent were vaccinated, Terjesen said.

CDC view:

But the vaccine is not 100 percent effective, according to the CDC. At two doses, the vaccine is 76 to 95 percent effective, the CDC says on its Web site.

It depends what you view as "effective" it seems. Either way the 77% number seems to be within range. Effective for getting the infection or effective for protection seems to be the question.

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