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Infections jumping from animals to humans becoming more frequent, warns WHO

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"We need to establish the playbook for how we're going to prepare and how we're going to respond together. That is not about sovereignty. That's about responsibility."

"Responsibility"? Naw, it's about the Greed-driven psychopathology of our rulers and the 'educationally' diminished perception of their parasitized prey, the rest of us, that allows them to send us blindly into company with the dinosaurs... and why bother, it's too late anyway. Just turn on the air conditioner and help it come even faster...

What a different future our babies and young children will endure and these are just the first wavelets of the slow motion (to us) geological TSUNAMI that is on its way regardless of all the things we could be doing to mitigate it and are not. Greed rules!! Always has and, if nothing else, will free the planet to once again try to develop real 'intelligent Life'. As it turns out and is glaringly obvious, we're not even a good first approximation... and again, a good time to be old...

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This is of course nothing new, even the increase have been predicted from decades ago, Lassa is a concern, but so is Nipah, West Nile, Chikungunya, New types of influenza, etc. Even the humble Yellow Fever is predicted to become a huge risk in the following years because it can spread explosively and the available stocks of the vaccine are not enough to immunize the population at risk quickly enough to stop the possible outbreaks.

All these warnings and predictions come from research being done for a long time, and this is still time to act and protect the people at higher risk (that are mostly in developing countries). The problem is that measures are expensive and unpopular, and that there will always be anti-scientific people screaming "fear mongering!!" against this still opportune warnings (just to scream as loud after it becomes reality "It is a conspiracy, even the WHO said it would make it happen!")

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Stop doing gain of function research for a start then

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More bogus nonsense! Of course virusrex has to make a statement. If I was you I would be embarrassed to continue writing your pharma talking points on here.

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Stop doing gain of function research for a start then

What does this have to do with the problem of emerging and reemerging diseases jumping from animals to humans?

Gain of function is part of the research that allowed for the quick development of safe and effective vaccines against covid, the problem is (again) human expansion and the negative effect on the environment, not doing research that allows for the control of the consequences.

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More bogus nonsense! Of course virusrex has to make a statement. If I was you I would be embarrassed to continue writing your pharma talking points on here.

The simple fact you choose to ignore the arguments and instead make personal attacks should be clear enough about who should be embarrassed. There is nothing wrong with correcting demonstrably false information even if you want to believe it very much.

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so many people on here are finally seeing how full of it you are

Not so many people. Many handles, but not so many people.

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Experts.

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the WHO, their master China, and their apologists would like everyone to know that C19 did not at all start at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in gain of function research, but because a bunch of people were eating Bat Soup.

But a quick Google search and common sense tells a different story.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00584-8

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/26/science/covid-virus-wuhan-origins.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111

https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-potential-covid-19-lab-leak-clue-china-11644615472

When left-wing Google, NYT, BBC etc all go off the agreed-upon narrative, you know you have the truth.

The entire world knows.

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the WHO, their master China, and their apologists would like everyone to know that C19 did not at all start at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in gain of function research, but because a bunch of people were eating Bat Soup.

So what do you have to support that conspiracy theory? what evidence of human manipulation, how many examples of previous pandemics coming from a lab?

Because the opposite has a lot of evidence, from isolation of related coronaviruses in the wild to molecular examination of the original variant that shows at least two different introductions from the wild are likely.

But a quick Google search and common sense tells a different story.

Not really, not at all.

Your first, second referencer completely contradicts you, saying there is no evidence of a leak and that the natural introduction is possible. The third only mentions as evidence that people on the laboratory had cold like symptoms... in the middle of the season of respiratory infections, where every other building with more than 10 people working there would have the same "evidence" the fourth has as evidence sequencing done on the early parts of the pandemic as if it came months or years before, which makes no sense. If that is the full extent of your "evidence" you are doing a great job at proving the natural origin is still the hugely more likely explanation for this pandemic, the same as all previous ones.

Why not seach on pubmed instead of google? the evidence is much more reliable and has been already examined for at least a minimum amount of congruency and veracity. Maybe the problem is that reliable information from primary scientific sources clearly shows the natural introduction is much more likely, so you refuse to accept it.

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Stop doing gain of function research for a start then

Exactly, and until they start honestly investigating and holding people accountable, this will continue.

Gain of function is part of the research that allowed for the quick development of safe and effective vaccines against covid,

For starters, they are clearly not safe and effective. But I do agree that the vaccine makers were very quick. I was very impressed by Moderna's ability to patent the furin sequence found in SARSCoV2 years before the pandemic started!

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Exactly, and until they start honestly investigating and holding people accountable, this will continue.

Accountable for what? some imaginary conspiracies without any evidence and specially completely contradicted by available evidence of various kinds? Why would something that has been useful in the control of the pandemic stop just because some people want to imagine it is bad?

For starters, they are clearly not safe and effective

According to the medical and scientific consensus yes, they are. Your personal beliefs and bias may not let you accept this but just because you refuse to accept something it does not make it false.

I was very impressed by Moderna's ability to patent the furin sequence found in SARSCoV2 years before the pandemic started!

You mean a short sequence of only 19 nucleotides that has been identified in many organisms (including humans) ? it is not even coding for the furin-cleavage site. in reality it is another made up accusation from antivaxxer propaganda that has no actual relationship with reality, just easily debunked disinformation.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/short-identical-gene-sequence-sars-cov-2-and-gene-sequence-patented-moderna-found-in-other-organisms-not-evidence-virus-engineered-daily-mail/

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As climate change contributes to rapidly changing weather conditions like drought, animals and human are changing their behavior, including food-seeking habits. As a result, "ecologic fragility" diseases that typically circulate in animals are increasingly jumping into humans, he said.

This does not sound convincing at all, especially with the examples provided, Another overly generalized proclamation with limited if any scientific evidence put out by this agency, the WHO. Kind of like insurance agents making a claim that automotive accidents are increasing because climate change is making more people head to the south.

This is of course nothing new, even the increase have been predicted from decades ago, 

Disagreeing with the very basic premise espoused by the WHO; interesting as you later point to all kinds of expert, medical and scientific consensus, and evidence. Looks like you got confused big time.

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Disagreeing with the very basic premise espoused by the WHO; interesting as you later point to all kinds of expert, medical and scientific consensus, and evidence. Looks like you got confused big time.

What disagreement? the WHO is precisely one of the medical and public health authorities that has warned repeatedly over decades about the increased danger of zoonosis, the one confuside seems to be you.

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His commentary comes as cases of monkeypox continue to rise outside Africa, where the pathogen is endemic.

They are really playing this one out aren't they?

What disagreement? the WHO is precisely one of the medical and public health authorities that has warned repeatedly over decades about the increased danger of zoonosis, the one confuside seems to be you.

Still confused huh?

Try reading the actual article. It helps with understanding people's comments too and might make your replies seem a little more logical..

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Still confused huh?

None from my part, there is zero contradiction between the text you quoted and the position of the WHO and the rest of the experts. This should be obvious since you could not point out it. The reason why you can't point out this supposed contradiction is because there is none, just you misunderstanding what you read, like saying someone got covid while travelling overseas while quoting text that says he did not do such a thing.

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The moral of the story is never argue with an "expert".

LOL

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I was very impressed by Moderna's ability to patent the furin sequence found in SARSCoV2 years before the pandemic started!

You mean a short sequence of only 19 nucleotides

Nice try at trying to downplay it. But SARSCoV2 is the only virus with a furin cleavage site within the Sarbecovirus group of viruses, and no other coronavirus with a spike protein sequence homology over 40% to SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS.

And we're not only talking about the appearance of an FCS, but also the fact that it is also a perfect match at the DNA level of 19 nucleotides in a row, and it matches a sequence that was patented years before the pandemic by a company that manufactures a covid vax.

If we don't honestly look at this, it is bound to happen again...

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Nice try at trying to downplay it. But SARSCoV2 is the only virus with a furin cleavage site within the Sarbecovirus group of viruses, and no other coronavirus with a spike protein sequence homology over 40% to SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS.

No, not at all, first because the same site has been found in other coronaviruses, and also isolated from bats that differ on one single nucleaotide which would mean there is nothing out of the ordinary about it.

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/39/1/msab327/6426085

https://virological.org/t/the-sarbecovirus-origin-of-sars-cov-2-s-furin-cleavage-site/536

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03421-w

And we're not only talking about the appearance of an FCS, but also the fact that it is also a perfect match at the DNA level of 19 nucleotides in a row, and it matches a sequence that was patented years before the pandemic by a company that manufactures a covid vax.

A sequence that is still different from the furin cleavage site as demonstrated by the source I already referenced, and that is ubiquitous in nature, from bacteria to birds and humans (which is where it was taken in the first place)

Your claim has been completely debunked by the link already provided, it is demonstrated meaningless (and even false in some of the details), why would you think that just repeating it would make it less mistaken?

So, a tiny sequence of only 19 nucleotides that can easily and frequently found in nature (and in the human genome) is no evidence of any human involvement in the origin of SARS-CoV-2, it is only evidence that antiscientific groups will try to misrepresent things to "support" their biased opinions and try to deceive people without the necessary knowledge to identify the obvious flaws of the information.

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We have animals living in the ceiling, so it is easy to see how stuff might come down through the cracks.

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PS Nothing to do with any changes in the climate though.

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Well, excluding human involvement and propagation of zoonosis isn’t so very scientific too as long as you don’t show your poker hand after calling, in other words put your one or however many missing link animals of the Covid zoonosis on the table. If you can… But there isn’t any, you self-empowered ‘scientists’ are bluffing and even much worse, still continuing gain-in-function research after all that has happened and so many millions have died. You are irresponsible and potential killers, no scientists that vow to serve the human beings. Or did I miss the news, that all such labs worldwide have been closed? Highly probably not.

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No evidence provided that this trend is a result of climate change. Lassa fever has been around for more than 50 years, and it is finally getting its name in the spotlight now.

The rationale is written there in the article

As climate change contributes to rapidly changing weather conditions like drought, animals and human are changing their behavior, including food-seeking habits

and it is congruent with the described increase of frequency and duration of the outbreaks, if you are unable to rebuke this perfectly logical conclusion you have to accept it is logical and explains the observations.

The WHO is jumping on the @andemic bus and shuffling every rare disease to the forefront to try and cover its multiple errors made in relation to thr Covid crisis.

The WHO is not alone in this, experts in epidemiology, ecology and infectious diseases around the world coincide in saying the same thing, it is for now the consensus of the field

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25009943/

Even the CDC (whose authority you have already recognized as valid) put forward a center specialized in emerging zoonosis because of this

https://www.cdc.gov/ncezid/index.html

By the way the CDC also recognized the authority of the WHO in matters concerning of public health.

https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/what/default.htm

CDC works with an array of partners, including the WHO. WHO convenes its 194 member nations, including the U.S., to direct and coordinate global health strategies, tactics and priorities.

So your own source clearly contradicts you.

The WHO as a scientific authority can only act according to available scientific evidence, that is no mistake nor they need to cover anything to warn about the increased importance of zoonotic infections.

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Well, excluding human involvement and propagation of zoonosis isn’t so very scientific too as long as you don’t show your poker hand after calling, in other words put your one or however many missing link animals of the Covid zoonosis on the table.

There is no requirement for any "missing link" to be identified in order to conclude the natural origin of covid is the most likely explanation by much. For most other zoonosis there is no missing link identified either and that does not make them suddenly suspicious of being produced artifificially.

 But there isn’t any, you self-empowered ‘scientists’ are bluffing and even much worse, still continuing gain-in-function research after all that has happened and so many millions have died. 

And why would not they continue? after all both things are unrelated and the research instead helped developing effective and safe vaccines in the interval of a single year after the pandemic began. There is no logic in opposing something that has demonstrated benefits just because you want to ignore the evidence and believe it has to be the origin of just another pandemic.

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