Inside the super-secure Swiss lab trying to stop the next pandemic

Perhaps they could try and isolate the so called Corona virus which experts around the world have never been able to " Isolate " the Corona virus which has an official survival rate of more than 99 percent.

Perhaps they could try and isolate the so called Corona virus which experts around the world have never been able to " Isolate " the Corona virus which has an official survival rate of more than 99 percent.

The SARS-CoV-2 is routinely isolated in any minimally equipped virology lab, there is no special difficulty to do it because it replicates without problem even on usual cell cultures, much more easily with access to specialized cell lines like the Vero-hACE2-TMPRSS2.

The claim of lack of isolation is completely baseless, just people saying "no" to well characterized methods to evidence the isolation, from electronic microscopy to elevation of titers of viral RNA or antigen ELISA only on infected cells. Irrationally rejecting clear proof does not mean that proof is not available.

Yeah, in the name of stopping the next pandemic, they will once again start the next one.

Is it really super secure. What was the WIV, super insecure?

Yeah, in the name of stopping the next pandemic, they will once again start the next one.

No pandemic has ever started in a laboratory, imaginary facts are not valid arguments. In reality studies clearly indicate more and more that the pandemic had a natural origin, the same as every other pandemic in the history of mankind.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/978138

Virological research on the other hand had a huge role in allowing the vaccines against covid to be developed in a single year.

Real benefits that clearly help preventing countless deaths obviously are a much stronger argument than unproved things you like to believe happened.

No pandemic has ever started in a laboratory, imaginary facts are not valid arguments. In reality studies clearly indicate more and more that the pandemic had a natural origin, the same as every other pandemic in the history of mankind.

This is not proven.

Virological research on the other hand had a huge role in allowing the vaccines against covid to be developed in a single year.

Development on the vaccine had begin more than a decade before.

Real benefits that clearly help preventing countless deaths obviously are a much stronger argument than unproved things you like to believe happened.

This does not conclude anything that can be proven.

No pandemic has ever started in a laboratory, imaginary facts are not valid arguments. In reality studies clearly indicate more and more that the pandemic had a natural origin, the same as every other pandemic in the history of mankind.

This is not proven.

Therefore.....???

Scientific theories are never absolutely proven. They are based on evidence that supports the theory. They can be disproven with evidence that contradicts the theory. Virusrex used the term "clearly indicate". Can you show any evidence that indicates the opposite?

According to E-mails to Fauci from early 2020 that were released by FOIA:

Andersen reported to Fauci that “after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory.” Eddie is Edward C. Holmes of the University of Sydney; Bob is Robert F. Garry of Tulane University; Mike is Michael Farzan at Scripps Research. In their unanimous view, the virus didn’t come from nature and may instead have escaped from a lab.

There are many signs that the virus was engineered. That is what these experts said in private among themselves. But these same experts would within days publicly call the lab-leak theories as "crackpot theories" and soon after publish an article declaring without proof “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”

According to E-mails to Fauci from early 2020 that were released by FOIA:

Yes, incomplete evidence puts everything on the table, better evidence that came immediately let the scientists discard the theories that were clearly contradicted even by that very preliminary information, a trend that kept in the same direction, with new studies supporting more and more a natural origin by epidemiological, serological and molecular evidence until it became the only explanation that is not contradicted by the data.

There are many signs that the virus was engineered

No, there are none, everything that is being discovered about the virus supports much more the natural origin. Trying to misrepresent conjectures proposed when the information was incomplete as if they were conclusions that still can be held with the later evidence is just plain disinformation.

Crackpot theories are those where false information is presented or discarded theories already contradicted by evidence are misrepresented as if they were still valid.

The articles making an argument for the natural origin are there for you to disprove, what actual scientific arguments do you have to prove all of them are wrong? none? then they stand valid even if they contradict what you want to believe.

The simplest way is to eradicate the Chinese laboratories weaponising these viruses.

Covid-19 was not a natural virus originating from animals. How could a longlasting and ever-changing global pandemic just start suddenly in the year 2019/ 2020?

Any reason why the Chinese government never allowed any WHO investigation? Just a coincidence that Covid-19 was mass-spread at the start of the 2020 Chinese New Year? Allowing millions to travel out of Wuhan.

Just read todays news and how they are behaving and then tell me they couldnt possibly have weaponised that virus.

Covid-19 was not a natural virus originating from animals. How could a longlasting and ever-changing global pandemic just start suddenly in the year 2019/ 2020?

Very easy, in the same way all other times it has happened. This is not something extraordinary that happened for the first time, it is something normal, unavoidable and expected that has happened repeatedly and conforms most of the infections that affect humans.

Making up self contradictory theories not supported by any evidence to explain something that happens naturally and repeatedly makes no sense whatsoever, it would be like trying to argue that every time it rains your neighbor makes puddles on the street on purpose so your house will get dirty when cars pass over them.

virusrex, a well put together reply. So why did the Chinese government not permit the investigation by the World Health Organisation? An organisation that is already in the pocket of the Chinese government. Why block the investigation?

As you appear to be reasonably well informed and well versed, how come this virus (which has evolved and adapted numerous times since 2019) came now? Why hadn't it appeared before?

virusrex, a well put together reply. So why did the Chinese government not permit the investigation by the World Health Organisation? An organisation that is already in the pocket of the Chinese government. Why block the investigation?

Because of two very obvious reasons.

One, the WHO is not in the pocket of the Chinese government, it is obvious, if it were they would have "conducted" the investigation without any kind of resistance and reported everything was fine.

Two, because the Chinese government has enough to hide with their mismanagement of the beginning of the pandemic. The disease coming from nature does absolutely nothing to negate how the Chinese authorities tried to hide the initial outbreak and did the opposite of what any country should do in the event of a new threat to the global public health.

As you appear to be reasonably well informed and well versed, how come this virus (which has evolved and adapted numerous times since 2019) came now? Why hadn't it appeared before?

Why did SARS appeared 10 years ago? why did Zika only crossed to South America in 2015? why the Spanish flu caused a pandemic a 100 years ago instead of thousands of years ago?

That something can possibly happen do not mean it will happen immediately, new infections are continuously entering the human population, every year people get sick or even die from newly identified pathogens, that can even cause small outbreaks.

Some of those times the pathogen adapts well to be transmitted between humans, and if swift measures are not taken you get huge outbreaks or even pandemics. There is nothing unusual or strange about it, that is what pathogens do to survive.