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More than one billion worldwide now afflicted by obesity: Lancet

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Finally off time from work, what to do hike, jogging, bicycling or gym? No just scroll social media, streaming movie or just play game apps.

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My waist size hasn’t really changed in over 24 years, working out, eating right and having good genes has definitely helped. Keep active, don’t be lazy, so much to see or do in life.

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Because of idolization of fat in the west. Cannot call fat fat, cannot call it unhealthy if someone is fat.

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Japan does not have an obesity problem, probably because of the traditional diet. Japanese exercise more, and walk more.

" According to UK government statistics, almost two-thirds of British adults are currently classed as overweight or obese, costing the NHS billions of pounds a year and around 30,000 lives. The US fares even worse, with between a third and half of the adult population classed as medically obese, depending on the source. Again, this costs the country billions of dollars each year."

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having good genes has definitely helped. 

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Yup!

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 According to UK government statistics, almost two-thirds of British adults are currently classed as overweight or obese.

Last year I went to a UK elementary school to pick up my niece after classes. Almost all parents were waiting to drive their kids home, most living within a mile away. I was shocked to see just how many of the eight year olds were wobbling blobs on legs. This problem is not going to get better anytime soon.

Obesity is also the leading cause of people on sickness benefit. Often hidden as bad backs or knees.

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According to the BBC this study also showed that Japan is the only 1st world nation in the list for percentage of undernourished individuals.

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"According to the Food and Agriculture Organisation's (2022) index, which focuses on 'the financial constraints associated with acquiring sufficient amounts of food', only 3.4% of the Japanese population suffers from food insecurity."

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Every time friends and family visit Japan they're happily surprised because they lose weight. All that walking, taking trains, up & down stairs. Then most gain the weight back once they return home. They say one third of Americans aren't just overweight but obese.

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The WHO has supported taxes on sugary drinks, limiting the marketing of unhealthy foods to children and increasing subsidies for healthy foods.

But, inevitably, the companies that make the rubbish food and drinks have pushed back against this and very often won or succeeded in watering down any regulations. Private profits, socialised costs, that's how it works.

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Sugar taxes do nothing to prevent people from eating too much of the wrong food groups.

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MoonrakerToday 12:26 pm JST

The WHO has supported taxes on sugary drinks, limiting the marketing of unhealthy foods to children and increasing subsidies for healthy foods.

> But, inevitably, the companies that make the rubbish food and drinks have pushed back against this and very often won or succeeded in watering down any regulations. Private profits, socialised costs, that's how it works.

I get your point and I agree for the most part but no one forces people to eat that unhealthy slop. Subsidies and marketing may help but habits and attitudes have to change. Just as most people want the easiest way to do any situation, it's easiest and cheap to just order fast food and have it delivered. Cooking a healthy meal takes time and a lot of people are just in a hurry to do absolutely nothing.

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I am astounded by the amount of obese people I see when I go shopping at my local super market, it is mind boggling. It is equally shocking that none of them care..........especially how they look.

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opheliajadefeldtToday 01:29 pm JST

And what does that say about you that you are concerned about how other people look?

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Sugar and salt are not your friends. As I get older with occasional joint pain, I cannot imagine the constant crushing that the joints of obese persons must handle.

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One reason why there are so many obese people is the terrible advice people are given by doctors and "experts".

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Moonraker Today  12:26 pm JST

But, inevitably, the companies that make the rubbish food and drinks have pushed back against this and very often won or succeeded in watering down any regulations. Private profits, socialised costs, that's how it works.

I get what you're saying, but nobody is being forced to consume "rubbish food and drinks."

We know this stuff is bad for us. It's up to us to not eat or drink it, or at least to eat or drink it in moderation.

This mentality whereby we look to government to solve every problem is just as unhealthy societally as "rubbish food" is physically.

The government doesn't care about you, so stop looking to it to solve every problem in your life!

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Raw Beer Today  04:39 pm JST

One reason why there are so many obese people is the terrible advice people are given by doctors and "experts".

Exactly.

It's almost as if the doctors, not to mention Big Pharma, actually want people to be fat and sick.

And I don't think it takes a rocket-scientist genius to figure out why.

It's stunning to me that as recently as the 1990s, the "experts" were telling us to load up on foods that, at least today, every dummy knows will get you fat if you eat too much of it:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rebuilding-the-food-pyramid/

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Some of this is comfort eating, especially during lockdown. If governments want to reduce this, stop making our lives so crappy with bans, restrictions, high inflation and high interest rates.

Scientists have no idea: Sugar taxes just leave people with less cash for healthy food after they have bought their treats.

The solution is for individuals to realise what that extra weight is going to mean when they age. Worse health, limited mobility, a shorter life and much more pain. And you spend the last third of your life waddling about short of breath.

An obese generation is likely to be followed by a generation who have seen what 'fat' really means at close quarters, and who consequently make an effort to avoid getting that way.

If governments want to help, improve education. We did 'home economics' at school and it was one of the few popular lessons. Kids love baking stuff and eating it. Use this to teach them. Too often it gets squeezed out of the syllabus. How many of you need to use differential equations in your day to day life versus how many of you need to know how to cook healthy food? Maybe prioritising life skills would be sensible.

I'm sure the scientists who were so happy to lock us up and shut down businesses in the pandemic now want to ban treats. The obesity problem is not a justification for this. I eat treats and I'm underweight - My diet is vegan and I exercise regularly. The treats are not the problem.

Don't think stupid pointless things won't happen. They already have:

An advert featuring an artisan cheese has been banned on London's transport network as it has been deemed too unhealthy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66778007

Sadiq Khan defends TfL ban on West End theatre advert which showed wedding cake. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-wedding-cake-advert-tfl-tony-tina-ban-obesity-b1095815.html

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One reason why there are so many obese people is the terrible advice people are given by doctors and "experts".

For example people that recommend unhealthy diets based exclusively on weight loss on a short time, even when those diets (high protein and fat, low on carbohydrates) only come with an elevation of risks and end up being completely ineffective in the long term.

It's almost as if the doctors, not to mention Big Pharma, actually want people to be fat and sick.

So countries with higher obesity rates have different recommendations than countries with low obesity rates? do you have any source for this? elsewhere this explanation would make no sense.

This mentality whereby we look to government to solve every problem is just as unhealthy societally as "rubbish food" is physically.

Protection of public health is one of the roles better fulfilled by the government, which has the resources to do it responsibly, what other option do you think would work? asking private companies to do the right thing without any pressure? hoping people would magically change their lifestyle even when exposed to a message that contradicts this approach 27/7?

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One reason why there are so many obese people is the terrible advice people are given by doctors and "experts".

For example people that recommend unhealthy diets based exclusively on weight loss on a short time, even when those diets (high protein and fat, low on carbohydrates) only come with an elevation of risks and end up being completely ineffective in the long term.

You're constantly attacking the carnivore diet ever since I brought it up. What evidence do you have that it "only come with an elevation of risks and end up being completely ineffective in the long term"?

I already provided evidence from a study (survey) carried out at Harvard on thousands of people following the carnivore diet, they found that out of those who had autoimmune issues, 89% reported an improvement (36% resolved); out of those who had diabetes/insulin resistance, 98% reported an improvement (74% resolved); obesity/overweight: 93%; hypertension: 93% ...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34934897/

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I already provided evidence from a study (survey) carried out at Harvard on thousands of people following the carnivore diet, they found that out of those who had autoimmune issues, 89% reported an improvement (36% resolved); out of those who had diabetes/insulin resistance, 98% reported an improvement (74% resolved); obesity/overweight: 93%; hypertension: 93% ...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34934897/

Appears more effective than any pharmaceutical product. I see why some people are oppose to this natural approach.

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Appears more effective than any pharmaceutical product.

Mhhm, I don't know. I have been reliably informed that anything that doesn't have an absolute 100% success rate is not worth pursuing and may have bigger side effects than what it purports to remedy. Has this been tested with a randomized controlled trial over several decades?

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You're constantly attacking the carnivore diet ever since I brought it up. 

It is not me but the professionals in nutrition that do that and this has happened since it popularized, not everything is centered about you, that you personally choose to ignore the best advice available and the consensus of science is a personal choice, not something other people can be made responsible for.

I already provided evidence from a study (survey) carried out at Harvard on thousands of people following the carnivore diet

A study that has been heavily criticized because the participants self select in and out of the study, which completely disqualify any conclusion made. When people choose to participate in a study according to their own biases and attempt to validate their choices it is natural to expect only the results the participants want to push. This is precisely why methods exist to eliminate this bias, methods that were not followed at all in the study. Specially condemning is that no improvement was shown in the study, it was only reported by the participants without no effort made to validate those reports. Is like making an anonymous poll on internet and finding out 99% of the people responding reporting having a PhD in several fields, that does nothing to prove the people actually report correctly their situation.

The only value this report have is to justify a RCT to actually find out the situation.

Appears more effective than any pharmaceutical product

On the contrary, exposing people to well described cardiac risks (and others) only to have almost every patient rebounding is precisely what pharmaceutical products are solving. Once again, there is a huge difference between people reporting something and that thing actually happening.

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