One easy way to fight antibiotic resistance? Good hand hygiene

Big Pharma, Big Medicine and Big Agra will say anything to disguise their roles in the advent of 'resistant' bacteria by, years ago, splashing various antibiotics all over the environment (see e.g.: Bovine Mastittis; antibiotic prescriptions for respiratory viruses). MRSA is an undeniable product of the Agricultural (dairy) Industry. And oral antibiotics, in general, are like indiscriminate bombs to the balance of one's gut flora. There are only a few seriously virulent bacterial strains but some have become virtually untouchable by even the most powerful (and damaging) antibiotics (see e.g.: Clostridioides difficile; necrotizing fasciitis (Streptococci sp.)). This article just seems to try to shift the blame onto us dumb monkeys when its focus should have been on the greed-driven monkeys who brought us here.

Mathametically possible!

But generally, the answer is No! The biggest way to fight antibiotic resistance is

A) take ALL antibiotics as prescribed.

B) Don't stop half way through treatment, just because you feel better. This allows bacteria to learn and adapt, and move to the next person.

C) Americans should stop over using antibiotics in a Band Aids.( not evidence for its need, apart from marketing and selling.

D) stop over using them in food production.

E) increase research on new antibiotics.

F) Finally, NEVER use antibiotics on VIRUSES THEY DON'T WORK. EVER!

Remember, it was only one hundred years ago people died from throat infections, sepsis because of a cut finger, sinple chest infections. Today, very few people die from a chest infection, throat infection or even sepsis from a cut finger. Once the antibiotics are useless, they are just that, useless.

Antibiotics are in the water and food systems.

I only take them if needed. The last time was about four years ago after an op.

Mathametically possible!

But generally, the answer is No! The biggest way to fight antibiotic resistance is

The article do not make the claim this is the "biggest way" but that this is a simple and easy way to help, which is completely true, good hygene habits clearly help as described, specially because it does not depend on actions taken after infection but instead something everybody can do while still being healthy.

Abe234Today  11:51 am JST

Mathametically possible!

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i guess the down voter is part of the reason we gave resistance becoming more widespread.

virusrexToday  03:08 pm JST

Mathametically possible

The article do not make the claim this is the "biggest way" but that this is a simple and easy way to help, which is completely true, good hygene habits clearly help as described, specially because it does not depend on actions taken after infection but instead something everybody can do while still being healthy.

I’m not sure how he suggest in his research why hand washing will stop MRSA. It will certainly reduce the spread of bacteria but we live with bacteria all out lives. I have need been trained or told that washing my hands was a way to reduce MRSA. Except for the spread of said MRSA. And hand washing should be part of everyone daily life. After the toilet etc.

Thats right the article didn’t say it’s the biggest way, but the medical profession is pointing to the biggest ways I posted earlier as the biggest ways to reduce the development of MRSA bacteria. Also MRSA is caused by the over use of antibiotics , therefore the bacteria learn to mutate and adopt to the anti-biopics. Not only is it the over use but the poor medical compliance of patients who are prescribed antibiotics. No amount of hand washing will reduce that. It’s the biggest reason TB has come back. Patients don’t comply, start and stop antibiotics so that now, we have at times only one antibiotic left. Sometimes such patients spread it by coughing and spitting. And some patients had to be detained. Also most patients with MRSA don’t even know they have it. And we can’t go around washing our hands every time we touch something. Otherwise their will be an explosion in the cases of OCD and anxiety disorders.

The article do not make the claim this is the "biggest way" but that this is a simple and easy way to help, which is completely true, good hygene habits clearly help as described, specially because it does not depend on actions taken after infection but instead something everybody can do while still being healthy.

Nowhere in the article does it say anything about "simple." That is just a non-scientific term not founded on any clinical basis.

something everybody can do while still being healthy.

This is "simply" wrong because to the contrary medical experts recommend washing hands for hygienic purposes even for those who are not healthy.

If you read the article you will see this blatant fact.

Nowhere in the article does it say anything about "simple." That is just a non-scientific term not founded on any clinical basis.

No, that is again your personal bias, even the title clearly describes this as something easy, and there is nothing complicated about having good hand hygiene, your baseless appeal to authority is also irrelevant, the method is easy, simple to do, pretending it would not as long as you can't find the exact description is just an excuse you are trying to use.

This is "simply" wrong because to the contrary medical experts recommend washing hands for hygienic purposes even for those who are not healthy.

That makes no sense, if you are trying to prove that saying something can be done even by healthy people then it is irrelevant that it can also be done by non-healthy people, you would need an argument that proves this can't be done (or had no value) while being done by healthy people, you have provided no such thing.

If you read the article you will see this blatant fact.

The expert in the article explicitly contradicts your biased misinterpretation in the text

 It is well established that good hygiene can help prevent transmission of harmful bacteria from other people or from the environment. 

This proves the measure can be useful when practiced by people before they are sick, clearly demonstrating the opposite of your claim.

Nowhere in the article does it say anything about "simple." That is just a non-scientific term not founded on any clinical basis.

No, that is again your personal bias, even the title clearly describes this as something easy,

Wrong.

The word "simple" is nowhere in the article.

You simply lost this argument.

I’m not sure how he suggest in his research why hand washing will stop MRSA.

The article mentions a scientific report where modeling is done to demonstrate this effect, do you have any problems with the methods they used for the model? because if not then it would still holds as proved, at least more than saying the opposite without any evidence.

Thats right the article didn’t say it’s the biggest way, but the medical profession is pointing to the biggest ways I posted earlier as the biggest ways to reduce the development of MRSA bacteria.

This still means you are wrong by criticizing the authors for saying something only you did, they never made the claim you are contradicting. Being a measure that can be taken by the whole population even if they are not infected means its effect can be also general in the population, and since it in no way means other measures no longer can be used this ends up in an additive effect. The inevitable problem of some doctors or patients misusing antibiotics can then have reduced negative consequences.

The word "simple" is nowhere in the article.

You simply lost this argument.

If you are incapable of understanding how an easy measure can also be simple that would be completely on your part, it is as irrational as trying to prove something is not simple just because you could not find this description on a research article

Another problem of course is baseless assuming that just because you don't believe this procedure is simple that must mean it is not described this way in the medical literature.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32337862/

Nightingale wrote that nurses should wash their hands frequently throughout the day, demonstrating an early awareness of the effectiveness of this simple procedure.

As shown, this is terribly simple to demonstrate false.

virusrexToday  06:21 am JST

If you are incapable of understanding how an easy measure can also be simple that would be completely on your part,

The case here is you are mixing up the words simple and easy, when their meanings are different in this context..

It is possible for something to be simple, but not easy. It’s also possible for something to be easy, but not simple.

Take your loss and move on mate.

Albert Einstein said in effect, that everything should be as simple as it can be but not simpler!

You made a simple mistake.

The case here is you are mixing up the words simple and easy, when their meanings are different in this context..

Both accounts making the same irrational arguments do not make them less so, hand hygine is both easy and simple, and it was easy to prove it is called so even on research reports.

To say this is not true you need to prove washing your hands is not simple, you have done no such a thing so your criticism is still invalid and easy understood as irrational.

So, prove that washing your hands is easy but not simple or you still have no point to make. Any of the two accounts is free to prove this and to refute the authors of the different scientific papers that call hand washing something easy.