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One year of vaccines: Many lives saved, many needlessly lost

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By CARLA K. JOHNSON

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National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins said scientists and health officials may have underestimated how the spread of misinformation could hobble the “astounding achievement” of the vaccines.

The misinformation and disinformation do not only come from social media, traditional mass media companies share some of the blame. It is not enough to publish things that are correct and science based if the comment section becomes a source of antivaxxer groups propaganda. For each expert and doctor showing proof of the vaccines value in stopping the hospitalizations, deaths or spreading 20 nameless commenters will say that everything is a lie and a conspiracy. It is easy to see how this can fool some people into believing this may be true.

Searching for the most common false rumors and hoaxes frequently end up giving links to supposedly reputable news sites, and following those links you find the hoax is in the comments or in the profile of users, that spoils a lot of the effort being done to report truthful information.

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deaths or spreading 20 nameless commenters will say that everything is a lie and a conspiracy.

Is there such a thing as an anti-conspiracy theory conspiracy theorist?

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Charles Darwin comes to mind when reading these articles. I'm now beyond caring about the vast majority of deaths of people in developed countries -- the ones who had a choice to save themselves but refused.

I feel quite safe in Japan, with its 80% vax rate, although even that should be higher, and its distancing discipline. Hopefully the omicron will turn out mild and the world (the US, Germany, etc., excluded) can return to normal and I can be sitting on a beach in Thailand next year. In the meantime, I'll be skiing in Japan this winter, with nary a care in the world.

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More than 1 million Americans will die from the covid. Why?

Because in the US, many doctors are not allowed to treat their patients as they see fit.

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Because in the US, many doctors are not allowed to treat their patients as they see fit.

If this means treating patients with drugs proven to offer no benefit , and instead elevate the risk of health problems (like the HCQ and ivermecting you keep trying to push) that is not the reason, that would have the opposite effect even if people refuse to accept this very clear scientific conclusion.

Is there such a thing as an anti-conspiracy theory conspiracy theorist?

There is no conspiracy theory when the "conspiracy" is there for anybody to see. Just visit the article about Moderna's shot being approved in Japan for a booster and you will find many comments repeating easily debunked information, all done without any worry for consequences. Visiting the profile of many of those people commenting will let you see how all or most of their comments are endless repetitions of the same disinformation, which explains why searching for it leads to the site.

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Thank God for Trump's Operation Warp Speed that saved countless American lives!

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Thank God for Trump's Operation Warp Speed that saved countless American lives!

How did it do that? First I've ever heard of it.

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Most deaths have been reportedly among unvaccinated people. Is this 99 out of 100 or 51 out of 100? Could someone help point us to some concrete data? Thanks.

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Millions of lives sacrificed to ensure there's no competition for the vaccines under the EUA. Imagine having cheap, safe and effective re-purposed drugs being disallowed by governments. They'd never do that, would they?

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Thank God for Trump's Operation Warp Speed that saved countless American lives!

Pfizer did not participate in Trump's Operation Warp Speed.

Why didn't Trump encourage wearing masks? He actually had his staff and practically everyone around him remove their masks in his presence including during a Joint Chief of Staff meeting where several of the Generals had to quarantine afterwards. He contracted COVID and exposed his staff and tried to expose Biden during one of the debates where he showed up infected with his family.

Trump also mentioned he wasn't taking a booster vaccination.

So, yeah, Trump's a great role model.

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Millions of lives sacrificed to ensure there's no competition for the vaccines under the EUA. Imagine having cheap, safe and effective re-purposed drugs being disallowed by governments. They'd never do that, would they?

"They" did it from the beginning, but only for those drugs that actually showed a benefit, dexamethasone for example is dirt cheap but quickly was found to be effective at treating patients and preventing complications and deaths, and it is regularly used without problem even with other much more expensive drugs available that could be used instead.

So this supposed conspiracy is proved just a product of fantasy, no lives were sacrificed, just drugs that are useless were found that way, even when multiple fraudulent reports tried to push them as if they were miraculous things when in reality they just increase the risk for patients.

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Developed and rolled out at blistering speed, the vaccines have proved incredibly safe and highly effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations.

Strange that the CDC would say "the vaccines have proved incredibly safe" when their own VAERS shows that the adverse reactions and deaths are off the chart!

This article provides examples of unvaccinated (and untreated) people who died, but when will we see here a similar article describing people who died or became disabled within hours of receiving the shots? I'm not holding my breath...

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Strange that the CDC would say "the vaccines have proved incredibly safe" when their own VAERS shows that the adverse reactions and deaths are off the chart!

Well, that is the thing, it does not. VAERS simply shows equal rates of problems between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, something that antivaxxer propaganda furiously tries to hide to misrepresent the normal occurrence of problems on the population as if it was all related to the vaccines when it is obviously not the case.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-usa-idUSL1N2R00KP

A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines,” the FDA told Reuters.

when will we see here a similar article describing people who died or became disabled within hours of receiving the shots? I'm not holding my breath...

The same answer applies, trying to misrepresent anything and everything that happens after vaccination as if it were because of the vaccine is transparent disinformation. This is the opposite of what happens with COVID, where the infection is correlated with huge increments of risk for complications and death when compared with a similar population that is not infected. For the vaccines this huge increase is not there.

nameless people on the internet against the whole world consensus of medicine and science is an easy decision. Specially when using obviously invalid interpretations of data that depends on hiding the rates of problems on unvaccinated people.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-usa-idUSL1N2R00KP

I checked your link, titled:" Fact Check-VAERS data does not suggest COVID-19 vaccines killed 150,000 people, as analysis claims."

But who said that 150,000 died?

The data I and others here provided do not say 150,000 were killed by the vaccines. But the numbers are still off the charts:

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/12/03/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-11-26-2021/

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The data I and others here provided do not say 150,000 were killed by the vaccines. But the numbers are still off the charts:

That is still false, and based on hiding the same prevalence on unvaccinated people, how come you never provide this? if this was true you would easily be able to provide a rate in excess from what is observed in unvaccinated people.

The link gives several reason why the claim of 150,000 deaths as well as your own are invalid and a misrepresentation meant to deceive people into believing something completely expected from the population vaccinated as if it was extraordinary and only present in vaccinated people, when it is not.

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