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Pandemic accord talks at loggerheads as time ticks away

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By Robin MILLARD

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COVID shows the world was not prepared for a pandemic.

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How many people died from covid?

7 million to date.

How many people died after the Covid vaccinations?

Difficult to find worldwide figures.

"Between December 14, 2020, and June 14, 2021, the United States gave more than 310 million doses of the three authorized Covid-19 vaccines. During that period, the public database known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, received reports of 5,343 deaths among those who received a COVID-19 shot."

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) reported that 11 448 people have died in the EU following COVID-19 vaccines[1],

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

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How many people had the COVID-19 vaccine?

12.7 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Vaccine Tracker

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Must be resisted at all costs if you consider bodily autonomy a basic right.

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There are many compulsory vaccines required for travelers.

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False equivalency, Wallace. The last pandemic was different. Experimental cocktails forced onto people just to live some semblance of a normal life, and the makers esp. Pfizer, admitted they didn't even know if theirs stopped the virus from spreading but made no effort to correct anyone who claimed it did.

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Well done Sweden, not only for standing up to bullying from the media and pro lockdown zealots, but also for taking care of your citizens, children and society.

Yet its death rate from Covid was higher than in many other European countries.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

I'm not criticizing Sweden. They were very open about their approach and admitted they had various problems. Hopefully we can learn something from the various approaches taken in different countries. My biggest concern has not been so much the deaths from Covid but the delays in hospital treatment for more common problems that resulted.

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False equivalency, Wallace. The last pandemic was different. Experimental cocktails forced onto people just to live some semblance of a normal life, and the makers esp. Pfizer, admitted they didn't even know if theirs stopped the virus from spreading but made no effort to correct anyone who claimed it did.

Forced on people?I heard they did that in the land of the free but not here in Japan

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Was it forced in any other countries ?

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..wants to ensure all countries share data and samples from emerging outbreaks quickly and transparently, 

And China? Have they allowed an international investigation into Covid19 with complete transparency?

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Since delegates started meeting last week, there has been talk about how their "global effort" is being stymied by "misinformation and disinformation." Leading, in fact, to INB's Co-chair, Roland Driece, to address what they will and will not address inside of it.

Perhaps delegates are missing an opportunity here. To write into both the Pandamic Agreement and Amendments to the IHR what WILL NOT be prescribed.

If, for instance, national sovereignty of countries will not be infringed upon, then say it 'shall never be infringed upon.' If it will not include any measure to somehow prescribe of enforce mandatory vaccinations and lockdowns, then say 'it shall not prescribe any such measures.' If it will not prescribe or encourage digital passports, then say it 'shall not prescribe digital passports or otherwise promote monitoring the movement of people.'

It may make delegates just a little more willing to agree. And whole populations a little more condifent in the process that is underway.

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In Japan, there were no compulsory COVID-19 vaccines.

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Must be resisted at all costs if you consider bodily autonomy a basic right.

That would be a reason for the opposite, since a personal decision will affect the bodily autonomy of others.

Experimental cocktails forced onto people just to live some semblance of a normal life, and the makers esp. Pfizer, admitted they didn't even know if theirs stopped the virus from spreading but made no effort to correct anyone who claimed it did.

The moment you choose to misrepresent what was actually told and deny the opinion of the scientific consensus that still consider vaccines a very useful and positive medical intervention you are also making clear your interest is more about forcing people to accept your personal opinion even if it can be demonstrated as wrong.

And China? Have they allowed an international investigation into Covid19 with complete transparency?

Which is one of the reasons to have the accords, without this accountability there is little (if any) to make a country respond.

Perhaps delegates are missing an opportunity here. To write into both the Pandamic Agreement and Amendments to the IHR what WILL NOT be prescribed.

The problem is that this works only as long as the prevention is still the main priority of everybody involved, else people can simply endlessly ask for language to be added to dilute the accord out of having any effect. If, for example, countries prioritize above anything else economic advantages and protections then effective public health reactions against outbreaks can end up not having any weight or meaning. Which is exactly what ended up with the covid response after the weakening of international measures after 2009.

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