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Pandemic prognosis: Where does it go from here?

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The WHO is urging countries to commit to a pandemic treaty to help prepare for and prevent future crises.

At first, the WHO should stop receiving corruption money, especially from China, and do their job correctly from the beginning.

Then, a much stricter control of Laboratories all around the world, including China, must be implemented to see how is the safety of the Lab and to see on what these idiots are working in the Lab.

Additional close all these wild animal wet markets. I can not believe that these markets are still operating.

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Then, a much stricter control of Laboratories all around the world, including China, must be implemented to see how is the safety of the Lab and to see on what these idiots are working in the Lab.

How do this help with the immediate problem of COVID? You understand that for the scientists of the planet the disease is considered to be just another introduction from nature and that the laboratory escape is just a technical possibility without a realistic chance of being the cause?

Yeah sure, control of laboratories is good, but also to improve the inventory system of pharmacies and hospitals and the outpatient care of chronic diseases, all completely unrelated to COVID.

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How do this help with the immediate problem of COVID?If you would read to what my post is referred to, then probably you would understand.

*The WHO is urging countries to commit to a pandemic treaty to help prepare for and prevent future crises.*

laboratory escape is just a technical possibility without a realistic chance of being the cause

This is just your own opinion.

You would be surprised how many technical issues happen day in day out in companies, institutions, laboratories...with very serious consequences.

All possibilities like technical issues, human failures...must be taken under consideration and regular inspections to prevent future crisis.

No matter how small the possibilities are.

If you work with Viruses or any other dangerous biological or chemical stuff, every single possibility of an accident must be utterly out of the question.

Auditors or inspectors should visit the Laboratories regular, checking the skills of the staff and the understanding of the high responsibilities of their work, checking the safety rules of the Labs,...and the auditors or inspectors should have access to all current work which is going on in the Laboratories.

Fully access to all data and Work at the Labs must be granted to the auditors or inspectors.

This is called prevention!

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The WHO is urging countries to commit to a pandemic treaty to help prepare for and prevent future crises.

Again, stricter control of laboratories have had no role in any pandemic ever, you personally may believe the contrary but that is not enough to contradict the professional opinion based on many types of evidence that COVID is just another example of a zoonosis introduced naturally.

This is just your own opinion.

No, it is not, it is terribly easy to find examples of scientific and medical institutions openly declaring this, can you find even ONE example of an institution saying that the laboratory escape is the most likely explanation? no? that should make it clear how irrational is to think this is the only explanation you can accept.

If you work with Viruses or any other dangerous biological or chemical stuff, every single possibility of an accident must be utterly out of the question.

Realistically speaking this is impossible, and also unnecessary, as long as the risk is below the always present risk of the disease coming from the natural environment it is enough.

Again, not a single pandemic can be traced to a laboratory escape, while 100% of them (since the beginning of humanity) have been introduced naturally, if the priority is to prevent pandemics then the first thing that must be done is to prevent this frequent and likely mechanism first before trying to focus on something that has never originated any pandemic. Doing this also means increasing the research being done on pre-pandemic pathogens everywhere it can be done.

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Again, not a single pandemic can be traced to a laboratory escape,

Except the research papers, money trail, leaked emails, deleted database, and more, all pointing to SarsCov2 coming from the WIV.

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@Virusrex

Do you see that your chapter 3 contradict your chapter 2?

No, it is not, it is terribly easy to find examples of scientific and medical institutions openly declaring this

Realistically speaking this is impossible

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No, it is not, it is terribly easy to find examples of scientific and medical institutions openly declaring this

Do you really think that any institution in the world will openly agree and confirm that they had an accident with serious consequences (like a virus escaped)?

Stop dreaming!

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Except the research papers, money trail, leaked emails, deleted database, and more, all pointing to SarsCov2 coming from the WIV.

No, no such thing, pointing to a terribly bad mishandling of the first weeks of the pandemic yes, poiting out ot a laboratory origin? not at all. Up to now the only "evidence" has been badly misrepresented or completely false things. As sure as you are completely unable to provide such "proof".

Do you see that your chapter 3 contradict your chapter 2?

What is that you find so difficult to understand?

It is completely coherent to say that the most likely explanation is a natural origin because of the huge amount and variety of evidence pointing out to it, and that making anything (not only research but anything in the world) absolutely safe and error proof is impossible. There is no contradiction, as long as the risk from research is kept a a much lower level than the risk coming from nature both things can be true, as it happens with COVID. The lack of evidence that should be present if it came from a lab and the huge amount of evidence that it comes from nature are two extra arguments that heavily supports this.

Do you really think that any institution in the world will openly agree and confirm that they had an accident with serious consequences (like a virus escaped)?

By accepting not a single instittuion of the whole world supports your conspiracy views you accept it comes all from your own imagination. Including that now you say all of them, as in every single one in the whole world are in that conspiracy. Think for a moment what this means and why it is impossible to believe.

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Do you really think that any institution in the world will openly agree and confirm that they had an accident with serious consequences (like a virus escaped)?

Oh, then this was pure speculation without any actual evidence:

You would be surprised how many technical issues happen day in day out in companies, institutions, laboratories...with very serious consequences.

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By accepting not a single instittuion of the whole world supports your conspiracy views you accept it comes all from your own imagination.

Everything that goes against your highly admired Laboratories is a conspiracy imagination for you.

You have zero idea about the reality.

Just a quick think from the reality:

Most of the accidents, issues and problems at institutions, companies, Labs...come to light by checking and investigation by auditors and investigators on site?

Many many companies are trying to hide issues, because of the consequences.

Therefore these institutions don't give access to inspectors and auditors so easily.

Therefore I am saying: fully access to everything must be granted to the Auditors or Inspectors.

As long as the inspectors got fully access to everything.

Which is mostly not the case, because these institutions want to hide something.

And this is based on personal experience.

(I think I don't need to explain you my work)

And I hope that there will not be a worse awakening for you some day.

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Everything that goes against your highly admired Laboratories is a conspiracy imagination for you.

Of course not, but when you say you can't find support to your theory from even one single respected institution of the world because they are all in a conspiracy to hide laboratory leaks that is exactly the case.

If the professionals of the world as well as people that have dedicated their lives to prevent and control outbrreaks say COVID is much more likely to be just another example of a natural disease jumping to humans it is not me who can't accept reality but you.

Most of the accidents, issues and problems at institutions, companies, Labs...come to light by checking and investigation by auditors and investigators on site?

And what do you think this proves? this helps nothing in your argument. Saying that something is always a possibility does absolutely nothing to prove it is more likely than a much more obvious reason.

Imagine that a guy with 5 times the limit of alcohol in blood causes an accident by driving, and his excuse is that the cause was a car malfunction, even if no evidence of it was ever found. What if this drunk driver says that inspections on car factories have prove many times problems and mistakes? does this make it less likely that his drinking was the cause of the accident?

This is the equivalent of your argument.

And this is based on personal experience.

Appeals to authority do not work with nameless accounts, what if I say that "because of my work" I have to treat patients that live in denial of reality and look for any excuse to confirm some mistaken beliefs of them? would this help proving to you that this is what your arguments are? I mean, if you want people to take your word for something you can't prove other people can do the same and ask you to take their word that you are mistaken.

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Oh, then this was pure speculation without any actual evidence

Based on personal experience according my work.

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Based on personal experience according my work.

Unless you have worked with every single institution of science or medicine in the world and can provide proof not even one of them fully cooperate with inspections and regulations to prevent laboratory accidents this is not an argument. It is simply not believable that all of them are so invested in hiding their own mistakes that they would never recognize it happening in an unrelated lab and caused something that directely affected them, their friends and families (as the pandemic is doing).

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I will keep that topic like it is...

It is up to you to get more closer to reality or just believe blindly what reports and data are showing you.

But like I said, I hope you will not have a worse awakening some day.

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Based on personal experience according my work.

Speculation based on an anecdote. Strong argument bro.

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Speculation based on an anecdote.

For you counts the same:

I hope you will not have a worse awakening some day.

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For you counts the same:

You put a colon, but didn't actually show anything where I speculated or posted an anecdote and tried to claim it proved something.

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It is up to you to get more closer to reality or just believe blindly what reports and data are showing you.

So your idea of getting "closer to reality" is to ignore the professional opinion of every single institute of the world that fights pandemics, because some nameless person on the internet says they are all lying because hiding problems is more important for them than their lives work and a pandemic that affect their friends and families.

Sorry but that is the opposite. Specially when the nameless person offers exactly zero evidence to disprove the experts and just ask for people to trust he knows more than them. And specially offers no evidence to disprove the mountain of things that clearly points out to a natural origin.

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because some nameless person on the internet

Nameless on the internet doesn't mean that this person do not have any personal experience.

But it is alright... you continue to live in your world full of theoretical data and reports and follow blindly without any questioning what the experts are telling you in the media, and continue to completely ignore everything beside that.

And I live in my world which is stuck to reality, and ask why and how and what, before I make any decision according to what "these people" are telling us in the media.

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Nameless on the internet doesn't mean that this person do not have any personal experience.

No, but for people of above average intelligence, it's easy to tell who actually knows what they're talking about, and who doesn't. Virusrex clearly does.

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Having access to the internet made me an expert in virology.

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MontyToday  11:16 am JST

But it is alright... you continue to live in your world full of theoretical data and reports and follow blindly without any questioning what the experts are telling you in the media, and continue to completely ignore everything beside that.

And I live in my world which is stuck to reality, and ask why and how and what, before I make any decision according to what "these people" are telling us in the media.

Well put.

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That’s nothing more than another childish fairy tale fitting for the Christmas season. On the other side it’s understandable that overdoing in baseless optimism is easier to stand for everyone than a more pessimistic or pragmatic view or just the simple truth based on science, logic, math and statistics. In fact, they even don’t believe their talking themselves and many have already made orders and agreements for further vaccines deliveries in the next some years, 2022, 2023 , indicating that it is of course not over now or in a few months.

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Nameless on the internet doesn't mean that this person do not have any personal experience.

But against the well proven career of experts of international name it is nothing. Again, if someone comes and say that because of his experience he can totally say you are mistaken, that would be enough to prove it is (according to you), making an appeal of your experience from anonymity has no value whatsoever.

But it is alright... you continue to live in your world full of theoretical data and reports and follow blindly without any questioning what the experts are telling you in the media, and continue to completely ignore everything beside that.

Who says it is without any questioning? the data they present looks fine and you have rebuked nothing about it, just asked for people to believe you know better than the experts. Trusting the experts when they present a well documented argument is much more logical than trusting some anonymous person saying he is right just because. And again, refusing to even examine the evidence that proves your theory wrong, and expecting people to believe that you can tell everybody is lying is the contrary to being in contact with reality, that is magical thinking.

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Moderna said a number of things which I believe will chart the future of the pandemic:

Omicron requires a new vaccine that specializes in that variant, but that new vaccine will be less effective against prior variants, so people will require three doses of the previous vaccine, along with between one and three doses of the new Omicron vaccine.

But Moderna also said that if you were to divert resources into making a new vaccine, then booster shots for the existing variants would need to be dramatically reduces, and there is no feasible way to give everyone both booster shots and three new vaccine shots quickly.

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The future of covid? It will continue to mutate at its current astonishing rate and people will continue to deny its danger and millions more will die.

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It seemed like an interesting article until they started quoting the WHO, nobody believes those clowns anymore after trying to cover up the CCP controlled China's mess.

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Officially, more than 5.1 million people have died worldwide, although the WHO says that the actual toll is likely two to three times that figure.

When delta came out I saw the health ministers of India and Brazil say that the death toll in their respective countries could EASILY be 10x higher because there was no counting the death figures in the rural communities and that was where the bulk of deaths were since there were no adequate medical facilities there nor finances to fund decent health care. And since both countries officially have deaths numbering in the millions, the true death toll can be much higher than what the WHO estimates.

I seriously doubt we will ever know. Its all speculation at this stage.

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