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© Copyright 2021 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Rare 'breakthrough' COVID cases causing alarm, confusion
By LAURAN NEERGAARD WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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ShinkansenCaboose
Hospitals are not terrible institutions. They save lives.
theFu
Just to highly the key point of this entire article.
If everyone who could be vaccinated actually was, then the asymptomatic cases wouldn't matter. People who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons, are keenly aware of their risks for all sorts of infections and diseases already.
Get vaccinated.
Any questions?
Wakarimasen
Yes.
If all of this is true, why do the authorities and the media continue to focus ion infection numbers and react to those with the same idiotic measures (lockdowns, masks)n that have been proven to be pretty ineffective over the last 18 months?
tantanmen4life
450 doctors in Japan said the experimental shots should stop immediately
https://www.sanspo.com/article/20210624-IOQJULJCVRMBXMZXIDJG6SDUHA/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true&s=06
tantanmen4life
Justin Trudeau of Canada just announced the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th booster shot supply security deal, on national TV. While the COVID vaccine program director David LV Bauer just explained how the Pfizer injection neutralizes the immune system.
Fuzzy
You do realise there are over 300,000 doctors in Japan...
Peter14
I have been vaccinated for everything since childhood. I have no intention of stopping now. I have had two shots of AZ and if I need a booster I will not hesitate.
Get vaccinated asap.
1glenn
If the same anti-vaccine campaign had existed during the effort to rid society of polio, we would still be seeing that disease killing people every day.
tantanmen4life
Hi 1glenn. Here is a chart comparing DDT use in the United states and Polio cases over a few decades.
http://www.breakfornews.com/newspics/USA-Pesticides-Polio_BW.gif
virusrex
That is the thing, health case professionals prefer to act when there is still an effect in the preventive actions instead of waiting until it is too late, and for that following cases is necessary.
Also, lockdowns and masks (and other non-pharmaceutical measures) have demonstrated to be very effective in reducing the spreading of the disease when done properly, that is the opposite of being "pretty ineffective".
And yet, they present no data to justify their opinion, nor an explanation for the huge amount of data that contradicts them, their medical licenses just remove the excuse of not knowing this is absolutely necessary.
There is nothing wrong with governments securing deals that according to the best science are not thought to even be necessary. Also, how about a link about the "neutralizes the immune system"? it seems quite obvious you completely misunderstand something.
The old The Post Hoc Fallacy. Do you think lack of pirates cause global warming, organic food causes autism and lemons from Mexico produce highway accidents?
https://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/hilarious-graphs-and-pirates-prove-that-correlation-is-not
Sven Asai
That’s the next downplaying bs. Those obvious breakthroughs are rare, yes, but they also are only the tip of the iceberg. In the not so rare numbers of other breakthroughs the disease only isn’t manifesting, so you although are vaccinated twice, your body is fully infested with significant virus loads, but you’re somewhat lucky. But still don’t celebrate, you might have your organs damaged or suffer from LongCovid and such in the midrange or long run. So don’t tell me, that vaccinations are a success or the problem’s solution. That’s of course not the case here.
Nibek32
99%+ positive cases come from unvaccinated people.
100% deaths come from unvaccinated people.
Its not socomplicated. Get vaccinated to avoid serious illness or death, or spreading it to someone that may experience serious illness or death.
TheDalaiLamasBifocals
FYI The group of 450 'doctors' includes 90 regional politicians, and the leader is an ex-surgeon who now runs a clinic that focuses on 'alternative medicine.'
Wick's pencil
95% effective in "studies", but in the real world their effectiveness is muc lower.
The "nearly all among the unvaccinated" only applies to the US!
100% of vaccine deaths (many thousands) come from vaccinated people.
virusrex
That is still an easy to demonstrate lie, falsely attributing the deaths to vaccines even when the rate is the same in unvaccinated people is obviously disinformation. Vaccines are still the best medical intervention available to prevent infections, complications, transmission and deaths. Much to the desperation of antivaxxer sites that predicted all kinds of disasters that never came to be.
Once people have to repeat known falsehoods to "defend" their opinion it is as good as openly recognizing they have no argument.
Doc
Typical pumping.
Israeli study claims major drop in vaccine protection; experts don’t believe it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-claims-major-drop-in-vaccine-protection-experts-dont-believe-it/amp/
“Report says protection against serious COVID-19 illness fell to 80%, or 50% for over-60s; government adviser, physician and health statistics expert all criticize research.”
Of course they would. They have been avoiding many facts since this debacle started.
“Vaccine effectiveness in preventing serious COVID-19 infection among the elderly has fallen to 50 percent, according to new Israeli figures, but some prominent experts are saying the data shouldn’t be taken seriously.”
And once again: The antivaxxer moniker appears as a lame attempt to push a failing argument.
Speaks volumes on the quality of the comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjIfwCYS1g
Doc
It’s a key point which is false. So no need to advise anyone on it.
Most of these people, including Biden will be gone before year’s end.
Largely a result of similar misinformation.
Wick's pencil
Ivermectin and other meds are just as effective, but not as deadly. Time to let the people have access to these meds.
virusrex
Valid criticism on the data and the way it is treated is included, if you can't refute the criticism that means you can't dismiss the disqualification of the conclusions. Just because a scientist say something it does not make it "scientific data" and obviously not correct just because of that, for this authors have to discuss their conclusions against contrary evidence.
Without a reference to prove it you can't just say it is false, that would be using your authority to defend this conclusion, of which you have none.
According to the experts this is completely false, not only because these drugs have their own negative side effects at higher rates than vaccines (specially when used in people with co-morbidities) but also because they are not effective, much less to the degree that vaccines have demonstrated, and for things like HCQ not in the very least.
Raw Beer
That is clearly false. Ivermectin has been used safely for decades. In less than a year, vaccines have killed several thousands and left many more permanently disabled. One could try to argue that vaccines are still worth the risk for some, but we should not disregard their very serious and not so uncommon side effects.
virusrex
The opposite, your personal beliefs, that can be proven false are no proof against the scientific proof that those "several thousands" deaths are in the same rate between vaccinated and non vaccinated people, or that ivermectine have well known toxicity that have to be taken in account in treatment and that affects more patients than those that have actually vaccine related problems.
The simple fact you can't get any reference from a recognized scientific or medical institution that shares your mistaken opinions is what makes it so easy to qualify them as mistaken.