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Rare 'breakthrough' COVID cases causing alarm, confusion

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If the shots just make Covid symptoms milder it means that people are less likely to notice they have it and then they won't self-quarantine.

They'll go out and about and spread the virus.

The fact that the vaccines don't stop transmission but simply make symptoms less noticeable is causing the virus to spread more.

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Hospitals are not terrible institutions. They save lives.

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Breakthrough cases aren't rate at all, they're very common and should be expected:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-04/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-reintroduces-curbs-as-cases-surge

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3141136/uk-navys-flagship-hit-covid-19-outbreak-en-route-asia

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Breakthrough cases aren't rate at all, they're very common and should be expected

No, they're not "very common", they're rare. And deaths are almost entirely confined to the unvaccinated. Why do you continue to put your own life and the lives of others at risk by denying the undeniable?

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-25/nearly-all-us-covid-deaths-in-us-among-unvaccinated/100243160

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/covid-vaccines-nearly-all-deaths-hospitalizations-among-unvaccinated.html

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CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has said 99.5% of all deaths from COVID-19 are in the unvaccinated.

Just to highly the key point of this entire article.

If everyone who could be vaccinated actually was, then the asymptomatic cases wouldn't matter. People who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons, are keenly aware of their risks for all sorts of infections and diseases already.

Fauci said vaccinated people who develop asymptomatic infections have "considerably less" virus in their nasal passages compared to unvaccinated people with asymptomatic infections.

"I think one can make a reasonable assumption, based on the level of virus in the nasopharynx, that it would be less likely that that vaccinated breakthrough person would transmit compared to an unvaccinated person," Fauci said in the briefing.

Get vaccinated.

Any questions?

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Yes.

If all of this is true, why do the authorities and the media continue to focus ion infection numbers and react to those with the same idiotic measures (lockdowns, masks)n that have been proven to be pretty ineffective over the last 18 months?

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450 doctors in Japan said the experimental shots should stop immediately

https://www.sanspo.com/article/20210624-IOQJULJCVRMBXMZXIDJG6SDUHA/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true&s=06

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Justin Trudeau of Canada just announced the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th booster shot supply security deal, on national TV. While the COVID vaccine program director David LV Bauer just explained how the Pfizer injection neutralizes the immune system.

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450 doctors in Japan said the experimental shots should stop immediately

You do realise there are over 300,000 doctors in Japan...

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I have been vaccinated for everything since childhood. I have no intention of stopping now. I have had two shots of AZ and if I need a booster I will not hesitate.

Get vaccinated asap.

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If the same anti-vaccine campaign had existed during the effort to rid society of polio, we would still be seeing that disease killing people every day.

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Hi 1glenn. Here is a chart comparing DDT use in the United states and Polio cases over a few decades.

http://www.breakfornews.com/newspics/USA-Pesticides-Polio_BW.gif

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If all of this is true, why do the authorities and the media continue to focus ion infection numbers and react to those with the same idiotic measures (lockdowns, masks)n that have been proven to be pretty ineffective over the last 18 months?

That is the thing, health case professionals prefer to act when there is still an effect in the preventive actions instead of waiting until it is too late, and for that following cases is necessary.

Also, lockdowns and masks (and other non-pharmaceutical measures) have demonstrated to be very effective in reducing the spreading of the disease when done properly, that is the opposite of being "pretty ineffective".

450 doctors in Japan said the experimental shots should stop immediately

And yet, they present no data to justify their opinion, nor an explanation for the huge amount of data that contradicts them, their medical licenses just remove the excuse of not knowing this is absolutely necessary.

Justin Trudeau of Canada just announced the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th booster shot supply security deal, on national TV. While the COVID vaccine program director David LV Bauer just explained how the Pfizer injection neutralizes the immune system.

There is nothing wrong with governments securing deals that according to the best science are not thought to even be necessary. Also, how about a link about the "neutralizes the immune system"? it seems quite obvious you completely misunderstand something.

Hi 1glenn. Here is a chart comparing DDT use in the United states and Polio cases over a few decades.

The old The Post Hoc Fallacy. Do you think lack of pirates cause global warming, organic food causes autism and lemons from Mexico produce highway accidents?

https://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/hilarious-graphs-and-pirates-prove-that-correlation-is-not

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That’s the next downplaying bs. Those obvious breakthroughs are rare, yes, but they also are only the tip of the iceberg. In the not so rare numbers of other breakthroughs the disease only isn’t manifesting, so you although are vaccinated twice, your body is fully infested with significant virus loads, but you’re somewhat lucky. But still don’t celebrate, you might have your organs damaged or suffer from LongCovid and such in the midrange or long run. So don’t tell me, that vaccinations are a success or the problem’s solution. That’s of course not the case here.

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99%+ positive cases come from unvaccinated people.

100% deaths come from unvaccinated people.

Its not socomplicated. Get vaccinated to avoid serious illness or death, or spreading it to someone that may experience serious illness or death.

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FYI The group of 450 'doctors' includes 90 regional politicians, and the leader is an ex-surgeon who now runs a clinic that focuses on 'alternative medicine.'

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DalaiLama,

Thanks for that information. I knew there had to be something suss about that link.

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Health authorities have warned that even though the COVID-19 vaccines are incredibly effective -- the Pfizer and Moderna ones about 95% against symptomatic infection in studies -- they’re not perfect.

95% effective in "studies", but in the real world their effectiveness is muc lower.

U.S. hospitalizations and deaths are nearly all among the unvaccinated, and real-world data from Britain and Israel support that protection against the worst cases remains strong. 

The "nearly all among the unvaccinated" only applies to the US!

100% of vaccine deaths (many thousands) come from vaccinated people.

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100% of vaccine deaths (many thousands) come from vaccinated people.

That is still an easy to demonstrate lie, falsely attributing the deaths to vaccines even when the rate is the same in unvaccinated people is obviously disinformation. Vaccines are still the best medical intervention available to prevent infections, complications, transmission and deaths. Much to the desperation of antivaxxer sites that predicted all kinds of disasters that never came to be.

Once people have to repeat known falsehoods to "defend" their opinion it is as good as openly recognizing they have no argument.

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Vaccines are still the best medical intervention available to prevent infections, complications, transmission and deaths. Much to the desperation of antivaxxer sites that predicted all kinds of disasters that never came to be.

Typical pumping.

Israeli study claims major drop in vaccine protection; experts don’t believe it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-claims-major-drop-in-vaccine-protection-experts-dont-believe-it/amp/

“Report says protection against serious COVID-19 illness fell to 80%, or 50% for over-60s; government adviser, physician and health statistics expert all criticize research.”

Of course they would. They have been avoiding many facts since this debacle started.

“Vaccine effectiveness in preventing serious COVID-19 infection among the elderly has fallen to 50 percent, according to new Israeli figures, but some prominent experts are saying the data shouldn’t be taken seriously.”

And once again: The antivaxxer moniker appears as a lame attempt to push a failing argument.

Speaks volumes on the quality of the comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjIfwCYS1g

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Just to highly the key point of this entire article.

If everyone who could be vaccinated actually was, then the asymptomatic cases wouldn't matter. People who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons, are keenly aware of their risks for all sorts of infections and diseases already.

It’s a key point which is false. So no need to advise anyone on it.

Most of these people, including Biden will be gone before year’s end.

Largely a result of similar misinformation.

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Vaccines are still the best medical intervention available to prevent infections, complications, transmission and deaths. 

Ivermectin and other meds are just as effective, but not as deadly. Time to let the people have access to these meds.

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And once again: The antivaxxer moniker appears as a lame attempt to push a failing argument.

Valid criticism on the data and the way it is treated is included, if you can't refute the criticism that means you can't dismiss the disqualification of the conclusions. Just because a scientist say something it does not make it "scientific data" and obviously not correct just because of that, for this authors have to discuss their conclusions against contrary evidence.

It’s a key point which is false.

Without a reference to prove it you can't just say it is false, that would be using your authority to defend this conclusion, of which you have none.

Ivermectin and other meds are just as effective, but not as deadly.

According to the experts this is completely false, not only because these drugs have their own negative side effects at higher rates than vaccines (specially when used in people with co-morbidities) but also because they are not effective, much less to the degree that vaccines have demonstrated, and for things like HCQ not in the very least.

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Vaccinated don't end up in the ICU nor do they put anyone else there.

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Ivermectin and other meds are just as effective, but not as deadly.

According to the experts this is completely false, not only because these drugs have their own negative side effects at higher rates than vaccines

That is clearly false. Ivermectin has been used safely for decades. In less than a year, vaccines have killed several thousands and left many more permanently disabled. One could try to argue that vaccines are still worth the risk for some, but we should not disregard their very serious and not so uncommon side effects.

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That is clearly false. Ivermectin has been used safely for decades. In less than a year, vaccines have killed several thousands and left many more permanently disabled.

The opposite, your personal beliefs, that can be proven false are no proof against the scientific proof that those "several thousands" deaths are in the same rate between vaccinated and non vaccinated people, or that ivermectine have well known toxicity that have to be taken in account in treatment and that affects more patients than those that have actually vaccine related problems.

The simple fact you can't get any reference from a recognized scientific or medical institution that shares your mistaken opinions is what makes it so easy to qualify them as mistaken.

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